UK Referendum Thread [Moderator Sanctioned]

[Stormopolis]

I spent four months in a fish factory. In Grimsby, a place famous in Britain for being shit and landing fish back t' good old days.

Where did the meat for our fish fingers come from? Alaska. And fucking China.
Even the EU wasn't competitive, blatantly.

Can't speak for the origin of a lot of the fish products as I simply never saw. But Salmon came as whole fish (occasionally as frozen "mince" blocks like were used for fish fingers, which by the time I left we were finally starting to produce in-house), and universally from Norway.

Evidently, the world moved on. Given that ports also died after we joined the EU, though not because of the EU, maybe the common fisheries policy isn't the sole reason.
Maybe Farage might have done something with his position on the EU fisheries commission to do something the fuck about it if it was.

I'm not saying Farage isn't a cunt, but that doesn't make the EU some idealistic utopia.

I'm not going to pretend that I know more about your country than you do, but statistically, UK fishermen were doing a lot more fishing in English waters prior to joining the EU than they have after joining the EU. Sure, the waters were being depleted, and it's not like never joining the EU would have magically fixed what was already a declining fish population. That being said, the EU didn't exactly help the situation either. For the UK as a whole, the Common Fisheries Policy has always been a sham. It might have the stated objective of protecting declining fish populations and adopting a more sustainable form of fishing, but given the amount of other member-States that have been allowed to overfish in English waters, the stated objectives are evidently not put into practice.

So yes, even without the EU, you'd probably have been continuing to buy the bulk of your fish from elsewhere anyway, but the EU only helped to make the situation worse, not better. Sure, Farage is a cunt, but at least he recognized that at the end of the day, the EU wasn't helping the UK's fishing industry.

As far as I'm concerned, Farage is okay. And he was certainly not the worst person at that fishery demonstration. That award obviously went to Bob Geldof. What a wanker.

[Sanctissima]

I'm not saying Farage isn't a cunt, but that doesn't make the EU some idealistic utopia.

I'm not going to pretend that I know more about your country than you do, but statistically, UK fishermen were doing a lot more fishing in English waters prior to joining the EU than they have after joining the EU. Sure, the waters were being depleted, and it's not like never joining the EU would have magically fixed what was already a declining fish population. That being said, the EU didn't exactly help the situation either. For the UK as a whole, the Common Fisheries Policy has always been a sham. It might have the stated objective of protecting declining fish populations and adopting a more sustainable form of fishing, but given the amount of other member-States that have been allowed to overfish in English waters, the stated objectives are evidently not put into practice.

So yes, even without the EU, you'd probably have been continuing to buy the bulk of your fish from elsewhere anyway, but the EU only helped to make the situation worse, not better. Sure, Farage is a cunt, but at least he recognized that at the end of the day, the EU wasn't helping the UK's fishing industry.

Tbf depending on what comes out of the negotiations the fishing policys might not even change

Oh I agree entirely, but keep in mind that the main proponents of the Leave campaign won't be doing the negotiating. The main proponents of the Remain campaign will.

So if nothing changes after negotiations aside from the UK no longer officially being a member of the EU, it will be because the people representing the UK at the negotiation table will be those who wanted to stay in the EU anyway.

[Neu Leonstein]

Oh I agree entirely, but keep in mind that the main proponents of the Leave campaign won't be doing the negotiating. The main proponents of the Remain campaign will.

So if nothing changes after negotiations aside from the UK no longer officially being a member of the EU, it will be because the people representing the UK at the negotiation table will be those who wanted to stay in the EU anyway.

This is news to me. After all, Cameron explicitly said that he is not the person to do this. Do you have a source?

[Imperializt Russia]

I spent four months in a fish factory. In Grimsby, a place famous in Britain for being shit and landing fish back t' good old days.

Where did the meat for our fish fingers come from? Alaska. And fucking China.
Even the EU wasn't competitive, blatantly.

Can't speak for the origin of a lot of the fish products as I simply never saw. But Salmon came as whole fish (occasionally as frozen "mince" blocks like were used for fish fingers, which by the time I left we were finally starting to produce in-house), and universally from Norway.

Evidently, the world moved on. Given that ports also died after we joined the EU, though not because of the EU, maybe the common fisheries policy isn't the sole reason.
Maybe Farage might have done something with his position on the EU fisheries commission to do something the fuck about it if it was.

I'm not saying Farage isn't a cunt, but that doesn't make the EU some idealistic utopia.

I'm not going to pretend that I know more about your country than you do, but statistically, UK fishermen were doing a lot more fishing in English waters prior to joining the EU than they have after joining the EU. Sure, the waters were being depleted, and it's not like never joining the EU would have magically fixed what was already a declining fish population. That being said, the EU didn't exactly help the situation either. For the UK as a whole, the Common Fisheries Policy has always been a sham. It might have the stated objective of protecting declining fish populations and adopting a more sustainable form of fishing, but given the amount of other member-States that have been allowed to overfish in English waters, the stated objectives are evidently not put into practice.

So yes, even without the EU, you'd probably have been continuing to buy the bulk of your fish from elsewhere anyway, but the EU only helped to make the situation worse, not better. Sure, Farage is a cunt, but at least he recognized that at the end of the day, the EU wasn't helping the UK's fishing industry.

Statistically, British freight ports landed substantially greater tonnage of goods, at more ports, before joining the EU than we did after we joined the EU. Did the EU cause this? No, not entirely, and probably not even significantly.

It unfortunately happened that our joining the EU coincided with general globalisation and more pointedly for freight - containerisation. Many British ports simply did not choose to modernise for containerisation (which required modernised layouts and reduced workforces). And many of them died. All of them shrank hugely.

While the common fisheries policy presumably had an effect, it is unlikely to be the sole reason.

[Hurdegaryp]

A snapshot of the post-Brexit racism.

Unfortunately this was to be expected, let's just hope people won't get killed.

[Valaran]

Well, he can clearly get fucked.

"Take back control!"
Okay, you've got control back, apparently, what now?
"I'unno"

At least he's upfront about it :/

[Sanctissima]

I'm not saying Farage isn't a cunt, but that doesn't make the EU some idealistic utopia.

I'm not going to pretend that I know more about your country than you do, but statistically, UK fishermen were doing a lot more fishing in English waters prior to joining the EU than they have after joining the EU. Sure, the waters were being depleted, and it's not like never joining the EU would have magically fixed what was already a declining fish population. That being said, the EU didn't exactly help the situation either. For the UK as a whole, the Common Fisheries Policy has always been a sham. It might have the stated objective of protecting declining fish populations and adopting a more sustainable form of fishing, but given the amount of other member-States that have been allowed to overfish in English waters, the stated objectives are evidently not put into practice.

So yes, even without the EU, you'd probably have been continuing to buy the bulk of your fish from elsewhere anyway, but the EU only helped to make the situation worse, not better. Sure, Farage is a cunt, but at least he recognized that at the end of the day, the EU wasn't helping the UK's fishing industry.

As far as I'm concerned, Farage is okay. And he was certainly not the worst person at that fishery demonstration. That award obviously went to Bob Geldof. What a wanker.

Eh, Farage is tolerable. At the end of the day, he's preferable to a lot of other British political leaders, but I still find him to be a bit of a cunt. The man does lie frequently, and at the end of the day he's been hypocritical about more than one issue.

[Imperializt Russia]

I spent four months in a fish factory. In Grimsby, a place famous in Britain for being shit and landing fish back t' good old days.

Where did the meat for our fish fingers come from? Alaska. And fucking China.
Even the EU wasn't competitive, blatantly.

Can't speak for the origin of a lot of the fish products as I simply never saw. But Salmon came as whole fish (occasionally as frozen "mince" blocks like were used for fish fingers, which by the time I left we were finally starting to produce in-house), and universally from Norway.

Evidently, the world moved on. Given that ports also died after we joined the EU, though not because of the EU, maybe the common fisheries policy isn't the sole reason.
Maybe Farage might have done something with his position on the EU fisheries commission to do something the fuck about it if it was.

I'm not saying Farage isn't a cunt, but that doesn't make the EU some idealistic utopia.

I'm not going to pretend that I know more about your country than you do, but statistically, UK fishermen were doing a lot more fishing in English waters prior to joining the EU than they have after joining the EU. Sure, the waters were being depleted, and it's not like never joining the EU would have magically fixed what was already a declining fish population. That being said, the EU didn't exactly help the situation either. For the UK as a whole, the Common Fisheries Policy has always been a sham. It might have the stated objective of protecting declining fish populations and adopting a more sustainable form of fishing, but given the amount of other member-States that have been allowed to overfish in English waters, the stated objectives are evidently not put into practice.

So yes, even without the EU, you'd probably have been continuing to buy the bulk of your fish from elsewhere anyway, but the EU only helped to make the situation worse, not better. Sure, Farage is a cunt, but at least he recognized that at the end of the day, the EU wasn't helping the UK's fishing industry.

But Farage had a position on the EU fisheries commission. He presumably got himself that position by complaining about the effect of the policy on UK fisheries.

And then pointedly refused to do anything about it.
I know you say "Farage is a cunt" but...

Good lord. It's inexcusable that he chose to do nothing despite his position and then still have the balls to use it as a platform issue and sail a flotilla down the damn Thames. He deserved that counter-protest.

[The balkens]

A snapshot of the post-Brexit racism.

Unfortunately this was to be expected, let's just hope people won't get killed.

Its Huffpo, i wouldnt trust it as a news source as far as i could spit at Huffington.

[Valaran]

If we're discussing opinions of Farage: full cunt. I can't stand his public persona, and he's anathema to all of my political views. I automatically prefer any other leader of any other party (aside from the BNP) - he's that bad for me.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well, he can clearly get fucked.

"Take back control!"
Okay, you've got control back, apparently, what now?
"I'unno"

At least he's upfront about it :/

I'd argue he isn't, because A, he didn't have the balls to own up to it and give his name and B, blamed Downing Street for his fuckery anyway.

[Valaran]

I'd argue he isn't, because A, he didn't have the balls to own up to it and give his name and B, blamed Downing Street for his fuckery anyway.

The admission is all I really need tbh.

He has a partial point about downing street in that they may not have had a plan, though really the onus was on his side to have a plan.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Unfortunately this was to be expected, let's just hope people won't get killed.

Its Huffpo, i wouldnt trust it as a news source as far as i could spit at Huffington.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-eu-referendum-racial-racism-abuse-hate-crime-reported-latest-leave-immigration-a7104191.html
http://news.sky.com/story/1717862/police-probe-post-brexit-attacks-on-poles

[Sanctissima]

Oh I agree entirely, but keep in mind that the main proponents of the Leave campaign won't be doing the negotiating. The main proponents of the Remain campaign will.

So if nothing changes after negotiations aside from the UK no longer officially being a member of the EU, it will be because the people representing the UK at the negotiation table will be those who wanted to stay in the EU anyway.

This is news to me. After all, Cameron explicitly said that he is not the person to do this. Do you have a source?

Just because Cameron won't be the one negotiating doesn't mean others of a similar mindset won't be. I honestly doubt the Leave camp will be allowed to represent the UK at the negotiations table.

[Lesser Mackonia]

Farage is a clever internal operator and a good orator, lacks any real sophisticated political creed, probably not particularly intelligent but very driven and cunning. Paranoid.

[The balkens]

Its Huffpo, i wouldnt trust it as a news source as far as i could spit at Huffington.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-eu-referendum-racial-racism-abuse-hate-crime-reported-latest-leave-immigration-a7104191.html
http://news.sky.com/story/1717862/police-probe-post-brexit-attacks-on-poles

Fair enough.

[Great Nepal]

Brexit MP told Faisl Islam 'there is no plan'

Taking aside its the HuffPO for one moment:

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Nick Clegg predicts Brexit Result

To which one may respond 'who?' or, 'oh, autotune remix clegg'. Still, while its not flawless, its pretty decent as a prediction of the result of Brexit. Perhaps more so than most of the campaigners on either side, who didn't appear to know what would happen.

Well, he can clearly get fucked.

"Take back control!"
Okay, you've got control back, apparently, what now?
"I'unno"

I love the fact that he had audacity to suggest it should have been Cameron, who campaigned to stay in the EU who should've come up with a plan. "Oh yeah we made all this plans which you said were silly but why didn't you come up with a way to implement those plans"...

[Imperializt Russia]

I'd argue he isn't, because A, he didn't have the balls to own up to it and give his name and B, blamed Downing Street for his fuckery anyway.

The admission is all I really need tbh.

He has a partial point about downing street in that they may not have had a plan, though really the onus was on his side to have a plan.

He is correct. His "point" was childish.

"Not my responsibility"

Get fucked, you are an elected representative of the people and part of the fucking government, allegedly.

[Hurdegaryp]

A few hours after the announcement of the referendum, she says she was approached by a woman who asked her if she was Polish. When she said she was, she said the woman told her to be "scared" and that she must get a visa if she wanted to stay in "her" country.

"The vicious smile and the way she looked at me brought me to tears," said Ms Brzezniak.

From the Independent article. Now we see what kind of people voted Leave.

[Sanctissima]

I'm not saying Farage isn't a cunt, but that doesn't make the EU some idealistic utopia.

I'm not going to pretend that I know more about your country than you do, but statistically, UK fishermen were doing a lot more fishing in English waters prior to joining the EU than they have after joining the EU. Sure, the waters were being depleted, and it's not like never joining the EU would have magically fixed what was already a declining fish population. That being said, the EU didn't exactly help the situation either. For the UK as a whole, the Common Fisheries Policy has always been a sham. It might have the stated objective of protecting declining fish populations and adopting a more sustainable form of fishing, but given the amount of other member-States that have been allowed to overfish in English waters, the stated objectives are evidently not put into practice.

So yes, even without the EU, you'd probably have been continuing to buy the bulk of your fish from elsewhere anyway, but the EU only helped to make the situation worse, not better. Sure, Farage is a cunt, but at least he recognized that at the end of the day, the EU wasn't helping the UK's fishing industry.

But Farage had a position on the EU fisheries commission. He presumably got himself that position by complaining about the effect of the policy on UK fisheries.

And then pointedly refused to do anything about it.
I know you say "Farage is a cunt" but...

Good lord. It's inexcusable that he chose to do nothing despite his position and then still have the balls to use it as a platform issue and sail a flotilla down the damn Thames. He deserved that counter-protest.

Well, that's news to me.

I suppose he's a bigger cunt than I'd originally thought.

[Lesser Mackonia]

A few hours after the announcement of the referendum, she says she was approached by a woman who asked her if she was Polish. When she said she was, she said the woman told her to be "scared" and that she must get a visa if she wanted to stay in "her" country.

"The vicious smile and the way she looked at me brought me to tears," said Ms Brzezniak.

From the Independent article. Now we see what kind of people voted Leave.

If that's what counts as racial abuse then this is clearly an utterly trivial issue.

[Great Feng]

fuck uk.
long live the London Imperial Democratic Royal Republic!

[The balkens]

fuck uk.
long live the London Imperial Democratic Royal Republic!

no.

[The Huskar Social Union]

fuck uk.
long live the London Imperial Democratic Royal Republic!

Union of Greater Craic, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Scotland and London.

[Neu Leonstein]

Just because Cameron won't be the one negotiating doesn't mean others of a similar mindset won't be. I honestly doubt the Leave camp will be allowed to represent the UK at the negotiations table.

So you're speculating. My impression was that the top contenders for PM at this point are Johnson and Gove. And really, what reason at all would a committed Remain leader have to now go and do Leave's job for them. By far the best way to discredit the Leave ideology is to force it to confront the real world. Everything else would just allow all future problems to be blamed on insufficiently nationalistic and tough negotiators.