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Postby Greater Mackonia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:57 pm

Arkolon wrote:
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I'm entirely aware as to how the petition system works in the House of Commons.

So what's the point of your imaginary "What Ifs" somehow demonstrating how this petition receiving >100,000 signatures sets some kind of precedent, when its only legal basis is requiring the Commons to only debate it, at the very least?


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Postby Aquesta » Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:58 pm

Ifreann wrote:
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So yea they do want to overturn the democratic will of the people

Since when is Parliament considering having a debate overturning the will of the people?
just like the Lisbon treaty again eh?

As a ten year old I'm sure you were following events closely.
What are you on about? this close to defeating the EU? what?

I'm mocking you. It's okay, my humour doesn't tickle every funny bone.


Ugh debate could very possibly lead to referendum. 18 actually in my sig. Oh jokes they're just great in political discussion really strengthens your arguments. Great debating chap using mockery and insults really wins people over to your side good job remainers.
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Postby Tobiasia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:58 pm

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The Qeiiam Star Cluster wrote:Ireland, N-Ireland and Scotland should form one large Celtic Union!

Maby it can include regions like Brittany, Flanders, Frisia and Cornwall aswell?

That would be MASSIVE!!!! A new Celtic power. I am not condoning of condemning the idea. Actually I want Scotland to stay so bad.
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Postby Quaxoglia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:59 pm

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Ifreann wrote:I'm mocking you. It's okay, my humour doesn't tickle every funny bone.


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If you want to avoid that, England should STOP being selfish the whole time. Jezus christ, come on.
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Postby Quaxoglia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:59 pm

The Qeiiam Star Cluster wrote:
Quaxoglia wrote: Maby it can include regions like Brittany, Flanders, Frisia and Cornwall aswell?

Everyone can join! Maybe all of Europe will join and we'll form one large European Union.

Yes! I'm IN!
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Postby Tobiasia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:01 pm

Aquesta wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Since when is Parliament considering having a debate overturning the will of the people?

As a ten year old I'm sure you were following events closely.

I'm mocking you. It's okay, my humour doesn't tickle every funny bone.


Ugh debate could very possibly lead to referendum. 18 actually in my sig. Oh jokes they're just great in political discussion really strengthens your arguments. Great debating chap using mockery and insults really wins people over to your side good job remainers.

Actually jokes can be funny and can win you over. Think of example 1-a date. Or example 2-a standup gig, or example 3-a debate.
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Postby Aquesta » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:03 pm

Valaran wrote:
Aquesta wrote:I'm not. Did I sign a petition? I'm giving out to you lads.


You are posting your opinion on affairs of another nation though. And as you say:

Aquesta wrote:Why should they talk? What right do they have to interfere in another country's affairs?


Clearly, you are talking (or rather, typing) about this. You are setting up constraints for us about should who is allowed to express an opinion on our matter and how. I don't know about you, but that looks an awful lot like interference.


Where's my opinion on brexit? Don't see it mate. Go ahead and express your opinion but when you sign a petition that actually affect the country you are not related to that's what I got a problem with.
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Postby Aquesta » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:04 pm

Tobiasia wrote:
Aquesta wrote:
Ugh debate could very possibly lead to referendum. 18 actually in my sig. Oh jokes they're just great in political discussion really strengthens your arguments. Great debating chap using mockery and insults really wins people over to your side good job remainers.

Actually jokes can be funny and can win you over. Think of example 1-a date. Or example 2-a standup gig, or example 3-a debate.


Yea no. Not for anyone who holds their views in any way strongly.
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Postby Basphere » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:06 pm

How much damage has been done exactly to the world economy?
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Postby Valaran » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:06 pm

Aquesta wrote:Where's my opinion on brexit? Don't see it mate. Go ahead and express your opinion but when you sign a petition that actually affect the country you are not related to that's what I got a problem with.


Didn't say you were giving an opinion on Brexit - interesting that's what you took from this. You're giving an opinion on what should be done about a UK petition process, however by your own words, that's not a matter for someone not a citizen of the Uk to be giving an opinion on, nor should they be telling us, who we should allow to sign it.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:06 pm



i hate to say but as far as i can tell you are a remainer and thus the irony current situation brings me immense joy
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:07 pm

Basphere wrote:How much damage has been done exactly to the world economy?


None, it's just an investor panic.
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Postby Valaran » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:08 pm

Aquesta wrote:Ugh debate could very possibly lead to referendum. 18 actually in my sig. Oh jokes they're just great in political discussion really strengthens your arguments. Great debating chap using mockery and insults really wins people over to your side good job remainers.


Perhaps Iffy was making a joke in that post, not an argument.

Also be real, Its not like you would have changed sides now is it?
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Postby Aquesta » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:08 pm

Valaran wrote:
Aquesta wrote:Where's my opinion on brexit? Don't see it mate. Go ahead and express your opinion but when you sign a petition that actually affect the country you are not related to that's what I got a problem with.


Didn't say you were giving an opinion on Brexit - interesting that's what you took from this. You're giving an opinion on what should be done about a UK petition process, however by your own words, that's not a matter for someone not a citizen of the Uk to be giving an opinion on, nor should they be telling us, who we should allow to sing it.


Guessing your'e a brit then?
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Postby Valaran » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:08 pm

Aquesta wrote:
Guessing your'e a brit then?


Yup.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:12 pm

Aquesta wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Such a thing as expats exist.

js


I know mate. You got any evidence to show that they are all expats?

Reasonable inference.
Any evidence they're not?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:12 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And if they aren't British citizens, then how dare they even talk.


They can talk all they like. They just can't vote.

This is a petition, not an election.

Unless you're offering me a chance to pick the next Taoisheik or whatever the fuck he's called.

I would probably not have a problem with that, adjusting for your understanding of Ireland's government.


The Qeiiam Star Cluster wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I'm mocking you. It's okay, my humour doesn't tickle every funny bone.

It always manages to crack me up. Please never leave.

If I could I would have years ago.


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Ifreann wrote:I'm mocking you. It's okay, my humour doesn't tickle every funny bone.


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Aquesta wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Since when is Parliament considering having a debate overturning the will of the people?

As a ten year old I'm sure you were following events closely.

I'm mocking you. It's okay, my humour doesn't tickle every funny bone.


Ugh debate could very possibly lead to referendum.

And if the elected government passes a law that causes there to be another referendum, are they overturning the will of the people, or are they respecting the will of the people? Hmm.
18 actually in my sig.

And Lisbon I was 8 years ago. So using basic arithmetic(I'm sure you haven't forgotten that in the last fortnight) I calculated that you were 10 at the time. And thus you probably weren't paying very close attention to the referendum, or so I assume, because generally children don't.
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Postby Quaxoglia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:13 pm

Tobiasia wrote:
Quaxoglia wrote: Maby it can include regions like Brittany, Flanders, Frisia and Cornwall aswell?

That would be MASSIVE!!!! A new Celtic power. I am not condoning of condemning the idea. Actually I want Scotland to stay so bad.


I can understand that :)
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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:15 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Basphere wrote:How much damage has been done exactly to the world economy?


None, it's just an investor panic.

It's investors converting their pounds into dollars and euros to buy safe dollar- and euro-denominated assets. Explains the falling bond yields and the short crash in FTSE. FTSE 100 'recovering' doesn't mean there was no economic damage and that it was all down to 'panic'.
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Postby Quaxoglia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:16 pm

Basphere wrote:How much damage has been done exactly to the world economy?

I think the English people din't saw that coming when they followed Boris and Nigel (I'm sorry but they've LIED!).
They've ruined other EU-countries. But also innocent Scotland and N-Ireland
Thanks Selfish-Voted-Leave-England
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:18 pm

Brussels has already set up the Task Forces for Brexit and Article 50 to work out the legal details. Seems like the guy heading those efforts, and playing a key role in negotiations is Didier Seeuws.

Meanwhile, the EU Parliament President would like to see the Article 50 request by Tuesday (in German only).
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:18 pm

Quaxoglia wrote:
Basphere wrote:How much damage has been done exactly to the world economy?

I think the English people din't saw that coming when they followed Boris and Nigel (I'm sorry but they've LIED!).
They've ruined other EU-countries. But also innocent Scotland and N-Ireland
Thanks Selfish-Voted-Leave-England

Just gonna ignore the Welsh, then?

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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:20 pm

Neu Leonstein wrote:Meanwhile, the EU Parliament President would like to see the Article 50 request by Tuesday (in German only).


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