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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:16 pm

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Hurdegaryp wrote:As was mentioned before by Dear Leader Boris Johnson, the 'people' are fed up with experts and anybody else who actually knows what the hell they're talking about. Chavs and yobs don't need fancy talk to know that it is now time to hunt down the Polish.

The famous "had enough of experts" statement was Michael Gove's.
Don't actually know if Boris made one.

My mistake.

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Hurdegaryp wrote:As was mentioned before by Dear Leader Boris Johnson, the 'people' are fed up with experts and anybody else who actually knows what the hell they're talking about. Chavs and yobs don't need fancy talk to know that it is now time to hunt down the Polish.

Okay now this makes sense; the reason boris doesn't have a plan is because that's what experts would want him to have but no he's gonna show them by turning up the the meeting late, and shouting loudly. They'll never see it coming!

You mean he's going to roleplay a mix between Donald Trump and Boris Jeltsin?
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Great Nepal » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:20 pm

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Great Nepal wrote:Okay now this makes sense; the reason boris doesn't have a plan is because that's what experts would want him to have but no he's gonna show them by turning up the the meeting late, and shouting loudly. They'll never see it coming!

You mean he's going to roleplay a mix between Donald Trump and Boris Jeltsin?

Yes exactly, no one will see that coming and EU leaders will instantly give him access to the single market, freedom of movement of British people to EU but not vice versa, continuation of EU subsidies to UK without UK paying membership fees.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:24 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
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You mean he's going to roleplay a mix between Donald Trump and Boris Jeltsin?

Yes exactly, no one will see that coming and EU leaders will instantly give him access to the single market, freedom of movement of British people to EU but not vice versa, continuation of EU subsidies to UK without UK paying membership fees.

Sounds like a script heavily inspired by Scooby Doo.
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Postby Irona » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:30 pm

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:31 pm

Irona wrote:I find it incredibly ironic that the nationalism and obsession with sovereignty that propelled the Brexit vote is possibly going to lead to the collapse of the UK as a nation.

In the end it wasn't those damned immigrants or the bloody leftists that have endangered the literal destruction of the United Kingdom, it was the nationalist righti

Shyamalan twists aren't supposed to work in real life, but here we are. Only a continued membership of the EU can save Great Britain now.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Gauthier » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:40 pm

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Great Nepal wrote:Fair enough, I mean I suppose we shouldn't listen to mathematical experts with their fancy numbers anyways. :p

As was mentioned before by Dear Leader Boris Johnson, the 'people' are fed up with experts and anybody else who actually knows what the hell they're talking about. Chavs and yobs don't need fancy talk to know that it is now time to hunt down the Polish.


Irony being that Brexit does nothing to stem the flow of Polish and Muslims from the continent to the UK and in fact the premature withdrawal means France is no longer obligated to screen any one of those who want to cross the Channel.

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Postby Zeinbrad » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:52 pm

From what I've gathered this is gonna hurt nationalism/populism/whatever they call themselves more than it will help them.

Since now they have possibly caused great damage to the nation they supposbly love, and can't blame their standards targets.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:53 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:From what I've gathered this is gonna hurt nationalism/populism/whatever they call themselves more than it will help them.

Since now they have possibly caused great damage to the nation they supposbly love, and can't blame their standards targets.


Of course they can. If anything, racially motivated hate crime has increased dramatically over the last 72 hours.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:58 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:From what I've gathered this is gonna hurt nationalism/populism/whatever they call themselves more than it will help them.

Since now they have possibly caused great damage to the nation they supposbly love, and can't blame their standards targets.


as if they're not already going lalalalalalalalala i can't hear you lalalalalalala in regards to any great damage
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:59 pm

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Zeinbrad wrote:From what I've gathered this is gonna hurt nationalism/populism/whatever they call themselves more than it will help them.

Since now they have possibly caused great damage to the nation they supposbly love, and can't blame their standards targets.

as if they're not already going lalalalalalalalala i can't hear you lalalalalalala in regards to any great damage

The next few weeks are going to be fascinating, to say the least.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby The Qeiiam Star Cluster » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:01 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:From what I've gathered this is gonna hurt nationalism/populism/whatever they call themselves more than it will help them.

Since now they have possibly caused great damage to the nation they supposbly love, and can't blame their standards targets.

But atleast it'll be damage done by the British, not by foreigners or the Eurocrats! Which makes it totally fine.

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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:03 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Fair enough, I mean I suppose we shouldn't listen to mathematical experts with their fancy numbers anyways. :p

As was mentioned before by Dear Leader Boris Johnson, the 'people' are fed up with experts and anybody else who actually knows what the hell they're talking about. Chavs and yobs don't need fancy talk to know that it is now time to hunt down the Polish.


Support Trump/Johnson in 2016.

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Postby Gauthier » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:05 pm

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Hurdegaryp wrote:As was mentioned before by Dear Leader Boris Johnson, the 'people' are fed up with experts and anybody else who actually knows what the hell they're talking about. Chavs and yobs don't need fancy talk to know that it is now time to hunt down the Polish.


Support Trump/Johnson in 2016.

George Orwell's vision of Great Oceania may finally come true. We love Big Brother. :p


We can also have Two Minutes Hate with Muslims, Poles and Anita Sarkeesian instead of Emmanuel Goldstein.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:10 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:Support Trump/Johnson in 2016.

George Orwell's vision of Great Oceania may finally come true. We love Big Brother. :p

We can also have Two Minutes Hate with Muslims, Poles and Anita Sarkeesian instead of Emmanuel Goldstein.

To think that back in the day of the British Empire, the Brits considered Muslims to be more trustworthy than those polytheistic Hindus or those enigmatic Buddhists. Times sure have changed!
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:15 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Gauthier wrote:We can also have Two Minutes Hate with Muslims, Poles and Anita Sarkeesian instead of Emmanuel Goldstein.

To think that back in the day of the British Empire, the Brits considered Muslims to be more trustworthy than those polytheistic Hindus or those enigmatic Buddhists. Times sure have changed!


For some weird reason, many European imperialist powers considered Muslims to be excellent bro material. Austria-Hungary preferred Muslim Bosniaks over Orthodox Serbs, Napoleon fomally converted to Islam and praised Muhammad, the Nazis tried to ally with Arab nationalist factions and Muslims in the Soviet Union...
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Baltenstein wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:To think that back in the day of the British Empire, the Brits considered Muslims to be more trustworthy than those polytheistic Hindus or those enigmatic Buddhists. Times sure have changed!

For some weird reason, many European imperialist powers considered Muslims to be excellent bro material. Austria-Hungary preferred Muslim Bosniaks over Orthodox Serbs, Napoleon fomally converted to Islam and praised Muhammad, the Nazis tried to ally with Arab nationalist factions and Muslims in the Soviet Union...

The Reagan administration fully supported Osama Bin Laden and the Mujahideen in Afghanistan... the list goes on and on.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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If it's between Her Majesty, Boris Johnson and Vote Leave. I think I trust the Queen more. While we're at it Jean-Claude Juncker along with the rest of the EU senior figures should be before the throne, asking for a good deal and bending the knee.

That is a capital idea, have the UK subsume the EU as a territory.


There's a sort of historical precedent for this - though since it involves Argentina, I'm not sure it would be a popular one in Little England circles.

In 1852, Buenos Aires seceded from the Argentine Confederation (so a better analogy would be Belgium seceding from the EU, but bear with me).

The State of Buenos Aires remained de facto independent until the Battle of Pavón in 1861.

The curious aspect of the latter is that the secessionist state won; the State of Buenos Aires defeated the Argentine Confederation, and the latter was functionally absorbed into the former under Bartolomé Mitre, forming the modern Argentine Republic after some 50 years of chronic instability in the former Viceroyalty of Rio De La Plata, and ushering in a period of economic growth that saw Argentina (temporarily) become one of the richest jurisdictions on the planet.

So secession followed by absorption of the larger unit seceded from does have a historical precedent in the last 150 years or so. I'm just not sure it's a realistic precedent, mind.

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Postby Esternial » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:22 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
greed and death wrote:That is a capital idea, have the UK subsume the EU as a territory.


There's a sort of historical precedent for this - though since it involves Argentina, I'm not sure it would be a popular one in Little England circles.

In 1852, Buenos Aires seceded from the Argentine Confederation (so a better analogy would be Belgium seceding from the EU, but bear with me).

The State of Buenos Aires remained de facto independent until the Battle of Pavón in 1861.

The curious aspect of the latter is that the secessionist state won; the State of Buenos Aires defeated the Argentine Confederation, and the latter was functionally absorbed into the former under Bartolomé Mitre, forming the modern Argentine Republic after some 50 years of chronic instability in the former Viceroyalty of Rio De La Plata, and ushering in a period of economic growth that saw Argentina (temporarily) become one of the richest jurisdictions on the planet.

So secession followed by absorption of the larger unit seceded from does have a historical precedent in the last 150 years or so. I'm just not sure it's a realistic precedent, mind.

So Belgium has to conquer Europe?

In football maybe.

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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:41 pm

osrorne will make a statement on monday to try and calm the markets.

i'm just happy he was found safe and well. his parents must have been worried sick.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:43 pm

Souseiseki wrote:osrorne will make a statement on monday to try and calm the markets.

i'm just happy he was found safe and well. his parents must have been worried sick.


He was sent by Cameron shortly before the vote on a quest to find excalibur, so that should the referendum fail, as a backup plan, Osborne can still be prime minister and keep the British Isles united. He'll also solve everything by hurling the sword as hard as he can towards brussels, and destroy the EU forever, meaning everyone gets to go free, and we won't get fucked by a trade bloc. The speech will be largely him talking about the people he met on his adventure and what plebs they were.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:49 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
greed and death wrote:That is a capital idea, have the UK subsume the EU as a territory.


There's a sort of historical precedent for this - though since it involves Argentina, I'm not sure it would be a popular one in Little England circles.

In 1852, Buenos Aires seceded from the Argentine Confederation (so a better analogy would be Belgium seceding from the EU, but bear with me).

The State of Buenos Aires remained de facto independent until the Battle of Pavón in 1861.

The curious aspect of the latter is that the secessionist state won; the State of Buenos Aires defeated the Argentine Confederation, and the latter was functionally absorbed into the former under Bartolomé Mitre, forming the modern Argentine Republic after some 50 years of chronic instability in the former Viceroyalty of Rio De La Plata, and ushering in a period of economic growth that saw Argentina (temporarily) become one of the richest jurisdictions on the planet.

So secession followed by absorption of the larger unit seceded from does have a historical precedent in the last 150 years or so. I'm just not sure it's a realistic precedent, mind.


The French president was reading the thread and he already surrendered so I figure the UK need only occupy Germany to bring the rest to heel.
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