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Are war toys really so bad?

Postby New Axiom » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:40 pm

So i read online that many parents have stopped buying their children war toys, on the basis of "they glamorize war and violence". In my community, I know several kids whose parents frown on, and even disallow, war toys in their household. But come on people, their just toys. When I was a kid my favorite toy was a 12" GI-Joe decked out in desert camo with an M-16 and 'nade launcher. In my opinion, they don't glamorize war. Their just a toy, and kids love them.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:42 pm

I didn't have many violent toys as a kid.

So me and my friends beat up invisible barbarian/alien invaders with imaginary swords and made little stick towns which we sent to war with each other in increasingly brutal and bloody ways.

I don't think toys really matter.
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:42 pm

New Axiom wrote:So i read online that many parents have stopped buying their children war toys, on the basis of "they glamorize war and violence". In my community, I know several kids whose parents frown on, and even disallow, war toys in their household. But come on people, their just toys. When I was a kid my favorite toy was a 12" GI-Joe decked out in desert camo with an M-16 and 'nade launcher. In my opinion, they don't glamorize war. Their just a toy, and kids love them.

What do you think, NSG?

They're not bad at all. When my kids come into this world, their first task will be to play Hearts of Iron.

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Postby Kubra » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:43 pm

it socializes kids into the idea that killing and dying is a swell ol' time, there's a reason they're quite popular toys in active warzones.
It's not necessarily a problem giving kids nerf guns at shit, but they need to be taught the difference between the representation in play and the real thing, why it's appropriate to unload a nerf vulcan point blank into your friends face but not appropriate to do so where it might constitute a war crime.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:43 pm

I think parents should get to decide what their children play with to a certain degree. I can understand parents being less than thrilled to see their children play with brightly coloured versions of murder weapons.
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Postby Kubra » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:43 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
New Axiom wrote:So i read online that many parents have stopped buying their children war toys, on the basis of "they glamorize war and violence". In my community, I know several kids whose parents frown on, and even disallow, war toys in their household. But come on people, their just toys. When I was a kid my favorite toy was a 12" GI-Joe decked out in desert camo with an M-16 and 'nade launcher. In my opinion, they don't glamorize war. Their just a toy, and kids love them.

What do you think, NSG?

They're not bad at all. When my kids come into this world, their first task will be to play Hearts of Iron.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:44 pm

Kelinfort wrote:They're not bad at all. When my kids come into this world, their first task will be to play Hearts of Iron.

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Postby The East Marches » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:44 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
New Axiom wrote:So i read online that many parents have stopped buying their children war toys, on the basis of "they glamorize war and violence". In my community, I know several kids whose parents frown on, and even disallow, war toys in their household. But come on people, their just toys. When I was a kid my favorite toy was a 12" GI-Joe decked out in desert camo with an M-16 and 'nade launcher. In my opinion, they don't glamorize war. Their just a toy, and kids love them.

What do you think, NSG?

They're not bad at all. When my kids come into this world, their first task will be to play Hearts of Iron.


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Postby The Portland Territory » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:45 pm

Nah, they're ok.
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Postby Ragnarum » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:45 pm

Children are naturally curious about foreign concepts. Simple as that. Violence is in human nature, its never going to go away.
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Postby Libertas Regionem » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:46 pm

LOL, people actually do stuff like this? They're toys for God's sake.
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Postby The East Marches » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:46 pm

Kubra wrote:it socializes kids into the idea that killing and dying is a swell ol' time, there's a reason they're quite popular toys in active warzones.
It's not necessarily a problem giving kids nerf guns at shit, but they need to be taught the difference between the representation in play and the real thing, why it's appropriate to unload a nerf vulcan point blank into your friends face but not appropriate to do so where it might constitute a war crime.


Its good for the kids, it builds character. I wouldn't worry so much about it. It teaches them IRL lessons.
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Postby Torsiedelle » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:47 pm

I grew up with war toys. I had an awesome all-metal toy P-51 Mustang and BF-109 that I had all sorts of adventures with. Also had some kickass realistic WWII army men, painted and all, and tanks to go with them. At one point, my room consisted of an American unit with a Sherman and artillery piece fighting a German division on my TV stand...good times.

When I was 12+, I had an old army uniform and a WWII Swiss helmet, and I'd run around the countryside with my friends in their uniforms, BB guns and knives at our side, playing war.

I never thought to myself "War is great" or had any violent thoughts, outside of the ones while staying in character as the Sargent in Bastogne. I don't think War toys glamorize war, really, but they are fun to play war with. Besides, why get your panties in a twist over toys anymore? I'd thought most kids were more interested in their media now.
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Postby Ragnarum » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:50 pm

Regardless of toys per-se, I was playing war based computer games from as early as the age of 6. I remember my first computer game was 'Praetorians' - still remember the soundtrack.
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Postby Southerly Gentleman » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:51 pm

Why not glamorize the greatest problem-solver Man ever invented?
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Postby Kubra » Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:54 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Kubra wrote:it socializes kids into the idea that killing and dying is a swell ol' time, there's a reason they're quite popular toys in active warzones.
It's not necessarily a problem giving kids nerf guns at shit, but they need to be taught the difference between the representation in play and the real thing, why it's appropriate to unload a nerf vulcan point blank into your friends face but not appropriate to do so where it might constitute a war crime.


Its good for the kids, it builds character. I wouldn't worry so much about it. It teaches them IRL lessons.
I'm an adult baptism sort of guy, hand em a rifle at adulthood and tell em "this machine kills austrians".

Torsiedelle wrote:I grew up with war toys. I had an awesome all-metal toy P-51 Mustang and BF-109 that I had all sorts of adventures with. Also had some kickass realistic WWII army men, painted and all, and tanks to go with them. At one point, my room consisted of an American unit with a Sherman and artillery piece fighting a German division on my TV stand...good times.

When I was 12+, I had an old army uniform and a WWII Swiss helmet, and I'd run around the countryside with my friends in their uniforms, BB guns and knives at our side, playing war.

I never thought to myself "War is great" or had any violent thoughts, outside of the ones while staying in character as the Sargent in Bastogne. I don't think War toys glamorize war, really, but they are fun to play war with. Besides, why get your panties in a twist over toys anymore? I'd thought most kids were more interested in their media now.
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Postby The East Marches » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:01 pm

Kubra wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Its good for the kids, it builds character. I wouldn't worry so much about it. It teaches them IRL lessons.
I'm an adult baptism sort of guy, hand em a rifle at adulthood and tell em "this machine kills austrians".


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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:04 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:I didn't have many violent toys as a kid.

So me and my friends beat up invisible barbarian/alien invaders with imaginary swords and made little stick towns which we sent to war with each other in increasingly brutal and bloody ways.

I don't think toys really matter.

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its not toys that cause kids to be violent. its the family situation. some kids love to play war-like games. it means nothing to their eventual lawfulness.

and if it ends up inspiring them to go into the military, GOOD.
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:13 pm

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Kelinfort wrote:They're not bad at all. When my kids come into this world, their first task will be to play Hearts of Iron.

Vicky I was my first love.

And damn was she a harsh mistress.

I still own and play Vicky 1.

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Postby Expectareaction » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:14 pm

I had several guns(toy) pre-orange tip. I had a .38 stub nose that was actually steel framed.
I had army men, my dad taught me how to make a bow.
He-Man, GI Joe, pocket knives of various and sundry types etc etc

As an aside when outside playing guns(cops and robbers/war/what have you) my father whenever he noticed me playing, would make me handle my toy weapons like real guns in terms of holding them, aiming, not putting your finger on the trigger until you were ready to shoot, etc etc-- safe gun handling.

At 10 I was given my first rifle. We kept guns in the house loaded and not secure, and I never dared to touch them without permission and supervision as the rules of their use had been drilled into me since I could walk.
Additionally I never thought real war would be cool, I had grown up with several of my father's veteran friends around, including a few who were missing parts.
Living in the inner city one would presume a different mentality.
Honestly our most violent games didn't involve our war toys, we created games like "Army Frisbee" a bastard version of tag, Gorilla Basketball, and Darts(tag with bar darts, its a miracle we didn't blind eye other).
Not to mention more traditional games of violence like bloody knuckles, Chicken, and smear the queer(I'm told its called "Kill the carrier" in other places), Slaps, wrestling, and trading licks.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:15 pm

Kelinfort wrote:I still own and play Vicky 1.

Upgrading Railroads man...I mean, I never got Revolutions so I had to do it province by province.

Snatched up Revolutions once it came out digitally, but I remember the good ol' pre-capitalist days. :lol:
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:15 pm

Southerly Gentleman wrote:Why not glamorize the greatest problem-solver Man ever invented?

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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:17 pm

Well if video games don't cause violence, I don't see a problem with toys.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:17 pm

Are people really upset about "war toys"? This has to be a joke. What's next? Upset about stereotyping women with barbie?
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Postby Torsiedelle » Fri Jun 24, 2016 3:19 pm

Kubra wrote:uhh your occupation is listed as "military"


Eh, AIT. Sue me :p

Getting out on medical shit anyways. I really oughtta change that...

Still, not like I shoot people all day and scream murder. I like to sit around shirtless playing EU4. Now that I think about it, Colonial war movies and WWII toys are what got me into history...
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