by Socialist Nordia » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:06 pm
by Valaran » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:09 pm
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire
by Genivaria » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:10 pm
by Socialist Nordia » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:12 pm
Genivaria wrote:Only if an argument can be made that a given speech actually promotes and encourages violence.
Being merely an outspoken asshole is not worthy of suppression.
You must show that something someone says actually puts people's lives at risk.
by The balkens » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:13 pm
Socialist Nordia wrote:Genivaria wrote:Only if an argument can be made that a given speech actually promotes and encourages violence.
Being merely an outspoken asshole is not worthy of suppression.
You must show that something someone says actually puts people's lives at risk.
One could argue that violence is being promoted by those celebrating the deaths of the Orlando victims. They seem to be encouraging violence against the LGBT community when they claim that they deserved this sort of thing and that God wanted them dead.
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by Eyes that do not Lie » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:14 pm
by Grande Republic of Arcadia » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:14 pm
Socialist Nordia wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
Free speech is held dear to the American people. Other than slander and libel, Americans have been free to say pretty much anything they want throughout our history. However, today many are calling for some regulation on absolute freedom of speech. Following the tragic Orlando shooting, members of the Westboro Baptist Church are protesting the funerals of the victims, claiming that God sent this shooter as a punishment for being homosexuals.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pul ... story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act ... didnt-die/
In many countries, actions such as this would be illegal. Should the same measures be put in place in the US? On one hand, it would seem as if these families should receive the right to mourn their loved ones in peace. However, some other countries seem to have gone a bit too far with their hate speech laws, as simply making a racist joke can sometimes land you in jail in Britain. Another issue is that implementing hate speech laws may not even be permitted by the US Constitution. Would the first amendment allow such laws to exist?
In my opinion, protests like these which promote violent killings and cause intense emotional harm to innocent, mourning families should not be legal. I cannot support its legality in good conscience. But would that be feasible? Would more harm than good come of it? I seek other opinions. Should the US institute laws prohibiting certain forms of hate speech?
by Europe and Oceania » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:14 pm
by The balkens » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:15 pm
Europe and Oceania wrote:Yes, they definitely should. Like Germany. And they also should implement hate group laws as well.
by Astaliah » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:15 pm
by Valaran » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:15 pm
Socialist Nordia wrote:One could argue that violence is being promoted by those celebrating the deaths of the Orlando victims. They seem to be encouraging violence against the LGBT community when they claim that they deserved this sort of thing and that God wanted them dead.
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:"I don't always nice, but when I do, I build it up." Valaran
Valaran wrote:To be fair though.... I was judging on coolness factor, the most important criteria in any war.
Zoboyizakoplayoklot wrote:Val: NS's resident mindless zombie
Planita wrote:you just set the OP on fire
by Socialist Nordia » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:16 pm
Eyes that do not Lie wrote:No. The fact that a speech can be morally disqualified (I'm not sure if this is the right word), doesn't mean you have to make it juridical disqualified.
by Sleet Clans » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:18 pm
by Socialist Nordia » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:20 pm
Sleet Clans wrote:No. America has bigger things to worry about than this. Besides, we have the Patriot Guard to combat the WBC. I and I am pretty sure many others don't want the US to become locked in a cage of political correctness like Britain
by Eyes that do not Lie » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:20 pm
Socialist Nordia wrote:Eyes that do not Lie wrote:No. The fact that a speech can be morally disqualified (I'm not sure if this is the right word), doesn't mean you have to make it juridical disqualified.
If speech promotes violence against minorities, doesn't that endanger lives? One could make the case that this sort of speech violates the rights of the LGBT community.
by The Princes of the Universe » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:21 pm
by Grande Republic of Arcadia » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:23 pm
The Princes of the Universe wrote:Absolutely not. I want to know up front who would prefer me dead. Hate speech laws would, among other and even more despicable things, make this impossible.
by Genivaria » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:23 pm
Socialist Nordia wrote:Genivaria wrote:Only if an argument can be made that a given speech actually promotes and encourages violence.
Being merely an outspoken asshole is not worthy of suppression.
You must show that something someone says actually puts people's lives at risk.
One could argue that violence is being promoted by those celebrating the deaths of the Orlando victims. They seem to be encouraging violence against the LGBT community when they claim that they deserved this sort of thing and that God wanted them dead.
by Socialist Nordia » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:24 pm
The Princes of the Universe wrote:Absolutely not. I want to know up front who would prefer me dead. Hate speech laws would, among other and even more despicable things, make this impossible.
by Xenunian Galactic Confederacy » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:24 pm
Socialist Nordia wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
Free speech is held dear to the American people. Other than slander and libel, Americans have been free to say pretty much anything they want throughout our history. However, today many are calling for some regulation on absolute freedom of speech. Following the tragic Orlando shooting, members of the Westboro Baptist Church are protesting the funerals of the victims, claiming that God sent this shooter as a punishment for being homosexuals.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pul ... story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act ... didnt-die/
In many countries, actions such as this would be illegal. Should the same measures be put in place in the US? On one hand, it would seem as if these families should receive the right to mourn their loved ones in peace. However, some other countries seem to have gone a bit too far with their hate speech laws, as simply making a racist joke can sometimes land you in jail in Britain. Another issue is that implementing hate speech laws may not even be permitted by the US Constitution. Would the first amendment allow such laws to exist?
In my opinion, protests like these which promote violent killings and cause intense emotional harm to innocent, mourning families should not be legal. I cannot support its legality in good conscience. But would that be feasible? Would more harm than good come of it? I seek other opinions. Should the US institute laws prohibiting certain forms of hate speech?
by Sleet Clans » Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:25 pm
Socialist Nordia wrote:Sleet Clans wrote:No. America has bigger things to worry about than this. Besides, we have the Patriot Guard to combat the WBC. I and I am pretty sure many others don't want the US to become locked in a cage of political correctness like Britain
Don't you feel that there is some middle ground between where we are now and where Britain is?
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