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Postby May Mays » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:04 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
May Mays wrote:While I strongly doubt our own military would do such a thing, let us theorize.

There are actually many people in parts of the country with weapons very capable of at the least, damaging a tank.
Not to mention that in urbanized parts of the country, tanks would be almost useless.

But this is unimportant.

Just like gun-control is not nearly as important as the left makes it out to be.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:04 am

Gauthier wrote:
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If people can't be bothered to read your sig, I doubt they would read a book on the subject.

:p


Because screeds on how evil gun grabbers are and how everyone supposedly has an inalienable right to carry whatever firearms they can afford are perfectly reasoned out proposals on what gun laws should be.


Keep trying, you're slowly getting closer.

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It's not like I have a sig or anything either.

Seeing only what they want to see, things that support their narrative, while ignoring anything that doesn't is a common trait among the anti-gun types.

Can you go 5 minutes without just insulting everyone who disagrees with you?
Believe it or not that doesn't count as an argument.


He didn't insult anyone tho
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:07 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Because screeds on how evil gun grabbers are and how everyone supposedly has an inalienable right to carry whatever firearms they can afford are perfectly reasoned out proposals on what gun laws should be.


Keep trying, you're slowly getting closer.


Indeed.

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Postby Rusozak » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:09 am

The balkens wrote:
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It's the truth, is it not?


no.


SO, just to be clear, the children in the monthly school shootings are all alive and minorities don't have to be afraid of gun-toting rednecks. Gotcha.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:09 am

Gauthier wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
If people can't be bothered to read your sig, I doubt they would read a book on the subject.

:p


Because screeds on how evil gun grabbers are and how everyone supposedly has an inalienable right to carry whatever firearms they can afford are perfectly reasoned out proposals on what gun laws should be.


Everyone who has not disqualified themselves or are disqualified due to dangerous mental conditions do have that right, and wanting the most effective means to defend oneself, ones loved ones, and ones property is perfectly reasonable. The pro-gun people are not the ones making repeated and ever-growing demands on the innocent. Nor are we the ones spouting lies or ignorance then using those lies and ignorance to justify our position.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:12 am

Rusozak wrote:
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no.


SO, just to be clear, the children in the monthly school shootings are all alive and minorities don't have to be afraid of gun-toting rednecks. Gotcha.


Minorities that tend to stay in the inner city and rednecks that tend to be far out in the back woods.

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Postby Traditional Conservative Justice » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:12 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:


Seeing only what they want to see, things that support their narrative, while ignoring anything that doesn't is a common trait among the anti-gun types.


Oh yes because we never do that ourselves. I mean Gun Control does nothing because Europe has WAY more gun violence than the U.S.
Like everyone knows the Gun Show Background Check Loophole thing is a myth, duh.

Here are some Failproof Statistics that proves gun control does absolutely nothing.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:12 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Because screeds on how evil gun grabbers are and how everyone supposedly has an inalienable right to carry whatever firearms they can afford are perfectly reasoned out proposals on what gun laws should be.


Everyone who has not disqualified themselves or are disqualified due to dangerous mental conditions do have that right, and wanting the most effective means to defend oneself, ones loved ones, and ones property is perfectly reasonable. The pro-gun people are not the ones making repeated and ever-growing demands on the innocent. Nor are we the ones spouting lies or ignorance then using those lies and ignorance to justify our position.


Now we're starting to get some semblance of what I was looking for.

What exactly are disqualifications other than dangerous mental conditions?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:13 am

Gauthier wrote:Since nobody wants to or can spell out in no uncertain terms what a balanced gun law should be about, I'll just accept it as concession that shouting down gun laws is less about insuring fairness than it is about Muh Preshus.


It's already been pointed out at least a dozen times across multiple threads, including this one. Seriously, fucking try harder.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:15 am

Rusozak wrote:
The balkens wrote:
no.


SO, just to be clear, the children in the monthly school shootings are all alive and minorities don't have to be afraid of gun-toting rednecks. Gotcha.


So everyone who owns a firearm is a redneck now?

Kindly educate yourself please, before painting millions with such a wide paintbrush.

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Postby May Mays » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:19 am

Traditional Conservative Justice wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Seeing only what they want to see, things that support their narrative, while ignoring anything that doesn't is a common trait among the anti-gun types.


Oh yes because we never do that ourselves. I mean Gun Control does nothing because Europe has WAY more gun violence than the U.S.
Like everyone knows the Gun Show Background Check Loophole thing is a myth, duh.

Here are some Failproof Statistics that proves gun control does absolutely nothing.

European nations are hardly applicable, and have made other poor decisions and are failing to protect their own citizens.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:20 am

Alright Gauth, I'll explain my gun law ideas for you.

Scrap the National Firearms Act, Hughes Amendment and import laws. Dismantle the ATF and roll it's necessary operations into the FBI. Rebuild NICS from the ground up to be a more efficient, accurate and speedy system. Require backgrounds checks on sales through a publicly available version of said rebuilt system. Improve our mental healthcare system and increase awareness/options for care and possibly bring back involuntary committing for those found to be dangerous by qualified professionals.

This is all a very tl;dr'd version but you should be happy.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:20 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
SO, just to be clear, the children in the monthly school shootings are all alive and minorities don't have to be afraid of gun-toting rednecks. Gotcha.


So everyone who owns a firearm is a redneck now?

Kindly educate yourself please, before painting millions with such a wide paintbrush.


Its ok because we are OBVIOUSLY inferior to his morally superior ways.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:22 am

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Imperializt Russia wrote:"Almost useless"
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Would a American tanker see his fellow citizen as a Insurgent in fallujah?

the world wonders.

The golden standard in soldiering is, "who is shooting at me?"
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Postby Traditional Conservative Justice » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:22 am

May Mays wrote:
Traditional Conservative Justice wrote:
Oh yes because we never do that ourselves. I mean Gun Control does nothing because Europe has WAY more gun violence than the U.S.
Like everyone knows the Gun Show Background Check Loophole thing is a myth, duh.

Here are some Failproof Statistics that proves gun control does absolutely nothing.

European nations are hardly applicable, and have made other poor decisions and are failing to protect their own citizens.


Oh yes they never protect their citizens with their commie socialist Universal Healthcare and their free healthcare and their
HUUGE commie WELFARE STATES like the commie Nordic Model and the commie U.K.'s National Health Service and their
stupid safety nets.

Here in 'Murica, we give our citizens guns! That's all you need to survive! Everyone knows this.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:23 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Alright Gauth, I'll explain my gun law ideas for you.

Scrap the National Firearms Act, Hughes Amendment and import laws. Dismantle the ATF and roll it's necessary operations into the FBI. Rebuild NICS from the ground up to be a more efficient, accurate and speedy system. Require backgrounds checks on sales through a publicly available version of said rebuilt system. Improve our mental healthcare system and increase awareness/options for care and possibly bring back involuntary committing for those found to be dangerous by qualified professionals.

This is all a very tl;dr'd version but you should be happy.


Now that is a well-thought and detailed proposal. Of course the FBI needs to be fixed given that a call to them from the gun store that sold the rifle to Omar Mateen was ignored and there needs to be some real enforcement of mental health exams given that G4S apparently doctored Mateen's psych exam to clear him for a gun license.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:23 am

May Mays wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:"Almost useless"
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"urbanized"

:rofl:

Fallujah was not in 2003, and not in 2016, an urbanised, close-quarter city where tanks were, and are, used effectively.
Apparently.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:25 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
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Would a American tanker see his fellow citizen as a Insurgent in fallujah?

the world wonders.

The golden standard in soldiering is, "who is shooting at me?"


Now a days is who shot first.

or if theres any shooting at all, on your own soil and against your fellow American.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:26 am

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Imperializt Russia wrote:The golden standard in soldiering is, "who is shooting at me?"


Now a days is who shot first.

or if theres any shooting at all, on your own soil and against your fellow American.

If soldiers have to be deployed to maintain the peace, and you open fire on soldiers, they're going to return fire.
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Postby May Mays » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:26 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
May Mays wrote:"urbanized"

:rofl:

Fallujah was not in 2003, and not in 2016, an urbanised, close-quarter city where tanks were, and are, used effectively.
Apparently.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent ... Stalingrad

New York and LA look a lot more like Stalingrad than Fallujah
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Postby Aidannadia » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:28 am

This is unsourced, and perhaps some of my more knowledgeable colleagues here can confirm or deny this, but I've heard that the reason gun violence in the US is disproportionately high due to an increased prevalence of organized crime in particular.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:28 am

Gauthier wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Alright Gauth, I'll explain my gun law ideas for you.

Scrap the National Firearms Act, Hughes Amendment and import laws. Dismantle the ATF and roll it's necessary operations into the FBI. Rebuild NICS from the ground up to be a more efficient, accurate and speedy system. Require backgrounds checks on sales through a publicly available version of said rebuilt system. Improve our mental healthcare system and increase awareness/options for care and possibly bring back involuntary committing for those found to be dangerous by qualified professionals.

This is all a very tl;dr'd version but you should be happy.


Now that is a well-thought and detailed proposal. Of course the FBI needs to be fixed given that a call to them from the gun store that sold the rifle to Omar Mateen was ignored and there needs to be some real enforcement of mental health exams given that G4S apparently doctored Mateen's psych exam to clear him for a gun license.


To be fair, I don't think there's much the FBI could have done with the call from the gun store. If memory serves they didn't have his name and only had low quality security camera footage no?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:28 am

May Mays wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Fallujah was not in 2003, and not in 2016, an urbanised, close-quarter city where tanks were, and are, used effectively.
Apparently.

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ent ... Stalingrad

New York and LA look a lot more like Stalingrad than Fallujah

Stalingrad also featured widespread use of armour.

How tall the buildings are don't really count for shit. London has, or used to have, vast areas of single-storey housing. They were still enclosed, tight, urban spaces. Places tanks are not magically rendered ineffective.
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Postby The balkens » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:29 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
The balkens wrote:
Now a days is who shot first.

or if theres any shooting at all, on your own soil and against your fellow American.

If soldiers have to be deployed to maintain the peace, and you open fire on soldiers, they're going to return fire.


In this certain case of Gun rights, why would soldiers have to be deployed at all?

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jun 19, 2016 10:31 am

TIL that the TUSK doesn't exist.
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