Mr. President, do NOT ban assault weapons!

[Genivaria]

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I mean, 99% of the people with Vangard INX funds aren't actually aware of what Vanguard actually is, except that it is an extremely reliable investment.

Am I the only motherfucker who looks into what he is buying? Sometimes I wonder.

Depends on what I'm buying, anything over $50 and I become paranoid.

[Roski]

Considering half of gun deaths are suicide, and subtracting justified murders, then there is little to no reason to ban guns.

There are 3.43 homocides per 100,000 people in the United States, as of 2014, with that number falling.

You have a .00343% chance of being murdered with a firearm.

[Crimoria]

I support banning automatic weapons.

[Imperializt Russia]

Considering half of gun deaths are suicide, and subtracting justified murders, then there is little to no reason to ban guns.

There are 3.43 homocides per 100,000 people in the United States, as of 2014, with that number falling.

You have a .00343% chance of being murdered with a firearm.

This is quite disingenuous since the implication is that were it not for murders, we'd all live forever. The death rate is 8 per 1000.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

Considering half of gun deaths are suicide, and subtracting justified murders, then there is little to no reason to ban guns.

Some of those suicides could have been prevented. Death by pulling a small lever is much easier to accomplish than almost all other methods used in suicides.

The ease of committing suicide does impact on how likely someone is to kill themselves.

[Gun Manufacturers]

America has higher income inequality than most other developed countries, and the US has the highest incarceration rate of the world. Given that 70% of crime is committed by those who have an arrest record, and the multiple studies linking income inequality, I think those are two important points.



No one is saying it is unsolveable, we are saying most of the offered solutions won't be that effective. The issue is complex, as any deep study of the issue will show. Simply saying ti is the availability of guns is partially correct, but misses other factors that are more important.

Sure there are a number of factors that also contribute to crime and instability, but they do not invalidate a proven fix to at least one of those factors, and as I've pointed out earlier, disarming the majority of criminals means we can disarm the majority of poilce which will mean only the most disciplined will be armed and drastically reducing the number of dubious shootings by police.

I'm all for disarming the criminals. It's law abiding firearms owners I don't want to see disarmed.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I support banning automatic weapons.

They're already HEAVILY regulated, in limited supply, and banning them won't solve firearms crime.

No.

[Big Jim P]

Thousand?

Eight to ten of them in a given year, to be precise.

Just over 8 and dropping since 1993 to be even more precise.

[Big Jim P]

Considering half of gun deaths are suicide, and subtracting justified murders, then there is little to no reason to ban guns.

Actually 2/3rds are suicides.

[Zoice]

Considering half of gun deaths are suicide, and subtracting justified murders, then there is little to no reason to ban guns.

Actually 2/3rds are suicides.

Why is the idea that most gun deaths are suicides a barrier to banning guns?

[Big Jim P]

Actually 2/3rds are suicides.

Why is the idea that most gun deaths are suicides a barrier to banning guns?

Not so much a barrier as an example of the gun-grabber penchant for misinformation and distortion of facts.

Fact is, even including suicides in the count still doesn't put the negative outcomes of gun ownership anywhere NEAR the positives.

[Fanosolia]

Considering half of gun deaths are suicide, and subtracting justified murders, then there is little to no reason to ban guns.

Some of those suicides could have been prevented. Death by pulling a small lever is much easier to accomplish than almost all other methods used in suicides.

The ease of committing suicide does impact on how likely someone is to kill themselves.

True but what's going to prevent more suicides? The trying to curtail the methods of suicide or tackling mental issues, and the access need for that care?

Not that restricting the access to handguns wouldn't help in that regard for some cases, but economically speaking it might be better to go the mental issues route as handguns are the symptom not the disease.

[Kernen]

Actually 2/3rds are suicides.

Why is the idea that most gun deaths are suicides a barrier to banning guns?

Because they don't represent interpersonal violence. It is self-inflicting, and constitutes a much less significant violation of rights as a result of firearms misuse. That is a world separate from inflicting nonconsensual violence on another party.

[Victus Oppidum]

Banning guns would be unconstitutional, however I think that necessary precautions should be taken. A 'no buy' list is a good start, but it won't help with the gun violence in the long run.

[Spirit of Hope]

Banning guns would be unconstitutional, however I think that necessary precautions should be taken. A 'no buy' list is a good start, but it won't help with the gun violence in the long run.

There already is a no buy list. It is called the NICS, and is run by the FBI.

[Big Jim P]

Banning guns would be unconstitutional, however I think that necessary precautions should be taken. A 'no buy' list is a good start, but it won't help with the gun violence in the long run.

There already is a no buy list. It is called the NICS, and is run by the FBI.

One of the specific proposals that I never make was a way to replace the NICS with a more efficient system that also covers private sales.

[Imperializt Russia]

Eight to ten of them in a given year, to be precise.

Just over 8 and dropping since 1993 to be even more precise.

There is nothing factually incorrect about "8-10 (thousand) in a given year" when, in recent years (since 2008 I think?), the figure has dropped from 10 thousand to eight and a half thousand, risen back to nine thousand and may drop or may rise again.

[Theodolia]

Considering half of gun deaths are suicide, and subtracting justified murders, then there is little to no reason to ban guns.

I don't understand this logic. Access to firearms has long been established as a risk factor for suicide.

[Big Jim P]

Just over 8 and dropping since 1993 to be even more precise.

There is nothing factually incorrect about "8-10 (thousand) in a given year" when, in recent years (since 2008 I think?), the figure has dropped from 10 thousand to eight and a half thousand, risen back to nine thousand and may drop or may rise again.

From the FBI website:

2012: 8855

2011: 8583

2010: 8775

2009: 9,146

2008: 9,484

2007: 10,086

[Genivaria]

There already is a no buy list. It is called the NICS, and is run by the FBI.

One of the specific proposals that I never make was a way to replace the NICS with a more efficient system that also covers private sales.

Just did some quick reading and apparently there are a number of 'false positives' with the NICS checks.
Also doesn't it already cover private sales? ....Or am I not understanding what that means?
Yeah I think it's the second one.

[Big Jim P]

One of the specific proposals that I never make was a way to replace the NICS with a more efficient system that also covers private sales.

Just did some quick reading and apparently there are a number of 'false positives' with the NICS checks.
Also doesn't it already cover private sales? ....Or am I not understanding what that means?
Yeah I think it's the second one.

Private sales are required to go through the NICS in a few states, but not many.

[Genivaria]

Considering half of gun deaths are suicide, and subtracting justified murders, then there is little to no reason to ban guns.

I don't understand this logic. Access to firearms has long been established as a risk factor for suicide.

I'm sorry I'm on the regulation side but this is stupid.
You what what else is a risk factor in suicide?
Access to rope.

The 'Someone will find a way' argument is far more applicable for suicide, so really counseling and educating about mental health are the only real solutions there.

[Spirit of Hope]

One of the specific proposals that I never make was a way to replace the NICS with a more efficient system that also covers private sales.

Just did some quick reading and apparently there are a number of 'false positives' with the NICS checks.
Also doesn't it already cover private sales? ....Or am I not understanding what that means?
Yeah I think it's the second one.

NICS is not required for public sale federally, some states require private sales to be done through a FFL or other system. NICS is not open to the public, so private individuals can't use it for checks in sales.

[Genivaria]

Just did some quick reading and apparently there are a number of 'false positives' with the NICS checks.
Also doesn't it already cover private sales? ....Or am I not understanding what that means?
Yeah I think it's the second one.

Private sales are required to go through the NICS in a few states, but not many.

By private sales you mean a legal transaction between individuals outside of a shop right?

[Theodolia]

I don't understand this logic. Access to firearms has long been established as a risk factor for suicide.

I'm sorry I'm on the regulation side but this is stupid.
You what what else is a risk factor in suicide?
Access to rope.

The 'Someone will find a way' argument is far more applicable for suicide, so really counseling and educating about mental health are the only real solutions there.

Considering that suicide attempts with firearms tend to be much more lethal than other methods, I'd say it very much is relevant, and I should state for the record that I don't support much more beyond expanded background checks.


IIRC, there are more suicides with guns, than victims of all violent crime combined. Excluding suicide for the debate is silly.