Orlando Nightclub Shooting

[Oneracon]

I think the terrorists should be executed, but in a special way. If they are just killed after their crimes, they become martyrs. That cannot be allowed to happen. There cannot be any martyrs, that will just encourage other terrorist attacks. The terrorist must be re-educated. They must see the error of their ways, and must feel what they have done is evil. They must be publically executed, but only after they confess and apologize. They must give an apology to the nation, an apology where they truly believe that what they have done is wrong. Only when terrorists see the error of their ways, and wish to be executed for the terrible things they did, then the moral and strength of the terrorists will be broken.

So basically the end of Nineteen Eighty-Four.

[The Skrall]

I think that terrorists should be burned at the stake for their crimes, and the families of the ones who were killed should get to light the fire.

Or, they should be locked in a room with families of the slain, and the families kill the person who murdered their loved ones.

[Ochea]

I think that terrorists should be burned at the stake for their crimes, and the families of the ones who were killed should get to light the fire.

Or, they should be locked in a room with families of the slain, and the families kill the person who murdered their loved ones.

I don't think that would be a good idea. That would make the terrorists martyrs, who would die for their religious beliefs. That would only inspire more terrorists to do more attacks.

[Gauthier]

Calling Omar Mateen a terrorist seems to be giving a self-hating closet dwelling unstable fuck more credit than he really deserves.

[Kubra]

self-hating closet dwelling unstable fuck

hits too close to home

[Patridam]

Calling Omar Mateen a terrorist seems to be giving a self-hating closet dwelling unstable fuck more credit than he really deserves.

Not calling him one gives radical islam less credit than it deserves.

[Gauthier]

Calling Omar Mateen a terrorist seems to be giving a self-hating closet dwelling unstable fuck more credit than he really deserves.

Not calling him one gives radical islam less credit than it deserves.

So give jihadis credit for what fanboys who don't even have a real grasp of which group stands for what do?

[Gauthier]

self-hating closet dwelling unstable fuck

hits too close to home

Sorry about that, but that fits Mateen like a glove.

[Scarlet Tides]

Calling Omar Mateen a terrorist seems to be giving a self-hating closet dwelling unstable fuck more credit than he really deserves.

We can pretend it was some dude radicalized externally and do no introspection of ourselves if we define him in such terms.

[Patridam]

Not calling him one gives radical islam less credit than it deserves.

So give jihadis credit for what fanboys who don't even have a real grasp of which group stands for what do?

Well, give the jihadiis credit for such good propaganda to turn immigrants radical. Or maybe just give credit to islam for making everybody thing it's a "religion of peace" despite being the opposite.

[Gauthier]

So give jihadis credit for what fanboys who don't even have a real grasp of which group stands for what do?

Well, give the jihadiis credit for such good propaganda to turn immigrants radical. Or maybe just give credit to islam for making everybody thing it's a "religion of peace" despite being the opposite.

So New York born Mateen is now an IMMIGRANT and Muslims really are out to destroy the West.

Lotsa credibility there.

[Patridam]

Well, give the jihadiis credit for such good propaganda to turn first-gen immigrants radical. Or maybe just give credit to islam for making everybody thing it's a "religion of peace" despite being the opposite.

So New York born Mateen is now an IMMIGRANT and Muslims really are out to destroy the West.

Lotsa credibility there.

Forgot the "first-gen" I meant to type in there.

And no, not all muslims are out to destroy the west. Maybe only 15% or less. Most of the rest are just ambivalent bystanders.

[Kubra]

hits too close to home

Sorry about that, but that fits Mateen like a glove.

yeah but it fits a lot of us, us surplus young males.
I can't even bring myself to hate the guy, he's dumb as rocks and a murderer to boot but nothing he did was without sense, without intelligibility, except perhaps to his own dumb self.

[Christiaanistan]

Calling Omar Mateen a terrorist seems to be giving a self-hating closet dwelling unstable fuck more credit than he really deserves.

Yeah, I am a gay guy, and I can tell you, closeted gay men are psychooooooooo. A closeted gay man is not like one of those straight guys who have a school-boy crush on Rainbow Dash: they're actually straight. A closeted gay man is often, although perhaps not always, very conservative and very hysterical as a person, just based on my experience, and my experience is also that they tend to use the sleaziest hook-up apps, which is why I don't use them anymore.

Frankly, I would not put it past this guy to have tried to make a gay hook-up, and his date told him he was a psychotic loser and started blocking his calls. If that is what set the guy off, I would be the opposite of surprised. If anything, that would make a lot more sense than any possible alternative.

And that actually would make the denomination of "terrorist" a little too dignifying.

[Galloism]

Not calling him one gives radical islam less credit than it deserves.

So give jihadis credit for what fanboys who don't even have a real grasp of which group stands for what do?

Agreeing with you, I believe Yumyum's summary was both hilarious and on point.

I mean, I have no doubt that his religion played a part, but when you consider that there isn't much of a history of American Muslims targeting the LGBT community, and that by pledging allegiance to Daeash AND Hezbollah he was doing the equivalent of claming membership in the Bloods AND the Crips, what we have is a picture of a self-hating closet case who used his religion as an excuse to take out his rage on the gay community, and who obviously had no previous association with (or, for that matter, accurate information regarding) the groups he claimed to be doing this on behalf of.

[Sharania]

As already explained, nobody actually red flagged him in the system for whatever reason. If you are not flagged, you can still pass go and collect $200, regardless if you actually can or not.

What already existing legislation would have stopped him from buying the gun? He had never been charged with a crime, never had been committed to an asylum, was not addicted to a controlled substance, and did not have any restraining orders or domestic assault charges. Even the proposed No Fly List ban wouldn't have stopped him, since he wasn't on it at the time he got the gun, or carried out the attack.

Have anyone of you actually read what I wrote? I'm not talking about hum being "red flagged" by the feds. I'm talking that couldn't be allowed to purchase a gun because:

1) HE had a history of substance abuse

2) HE had a history of violence (including domestic violence)

3) HE had mental issues

Are you familiar with ATF form 4473? It is written right there:

WARNING: You may not receive a firearm if prohibited by Federal or State law. The information you provide will be used to determine whether you are prohibited under law from receiving a firearm. Certain violations of the Gun Control Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 921 et. seq., are punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment and/or up to a $250,000 fine.

Now, this Omar :

1) Had substance abuse problem [see point e]

2) Had a history of domestic violence [see points h and i]

3) Was bi-polar [see point f]

That's more than enough to deny him the purchase of the weapon - all in accordance with the present legislation.

[Sharania]

This is the first I've heard of a "substance abuse problem", his domestic violence was never reported, and I've never heard it suggested he was bipolar, unless we're seeing that he was clearly upset after his wife, y'know, up and left and eventually snapped and shot a hundred people and out-of-hand saying "huh, must have been bipolar".

- On substance abuse problem - yes, steroids still count.

- And - yes, he was bipolar.

Besides:

Guns

Mateen bought at least two guns legally within the last week or so, according to Trevor Velinor of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

He exchanged gunfire with 14 police officers at the club and took hostages at one point. In addition to the assault rifle and handgun, he had a weapon in his vehicle, police said.

Past violence

Mateen has no criminal record. However, his ex-wife says he beat her repeatedly while they were married.

Sitora Yusufiy told The Washington Post that she met Omar Mateen online about eight years ago and decided to move to Florida and marry him. She said at first the marriage was normal, but then he became abusive.

Yusufiy told reporters in Boulder, Colorado, her ex was also bipolar.

“He was mentally unstable and mentally ill,” Yusufiy said.

They were together for only a few months and her parents intervened when they learned Mateen had assaulted her..

Yusufiy said she was “devastated, shocked, started shaking and crying” when she heard about the shooting, but she attributed the violence to Mateen’s mental illness, not any alliance with terrorist groups.

A former Florida police officer who says he once worked with Mateen described him as “unstable and unhinged.”

Daniel Gilroy told multiple news outlets that he worked with Mateen at the G4S security company. Gilroy called him an angry, loud, profane man who used slurs for gay people, blacks, Jews and women.

Gilroy told The New York Times, “He talked about killing people all the time.”

Gilroy said he wasn’t surprised when he learned of the massacre: He said, “I saw it coming.”

[Gauthier]

This is the first I've heard of a "substance abuse problem", his domestic violence was never reported, and I've never heard it suggested he was bipolar, unless we're seeing that he was clearly upset after his wife, y'know, up and left and eventually snapped and shot a hundred people and out-of-hand saying "huh, must have been bipolar".

- On substance abuse problem - yes, steroids still count.

- And - yes, he was bipolar.

Besides:

Guns

Mateen bought at least two guns legally within the last week or so, according to Trevor Velinor of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

He exchanged gunfire with 14 police officers at the club and took hostages at one point. In addition to the assault rifle and handgun, he had a weapon in his vehicle, police said.

Past violence

Mateen has no criminal record. However, his ex-wife says he beat her repeatedly while they were married.

Sitora Yusufiy told The Washington Post that she met Omar Mateen online about eight years ago and decided to move to Florida and marry him. She said at first the marriage was normal, but then he became abusive.

Yusufiy told reporters in Boulder, Colorado, her ex was also bipolar.

“He was mentally unstable and mentally ill,” Yusufiy said.

They were together for only a few months and her parents intervened when they learned Mateen had assaulted her..

Yusufiy said she was “devastated, shocked, started shaking and crying” when she heard about the shooting, but she attributed the violence to Mateen’s mental illness, not any alliance with terrorist groups.

A former Florida police officer who says he once worked with Mateen described him as “unstable and unhinged.”

Daniel Gilroy told multiple news outlets that he worked with Mateen at the G4S security company. Gilroy called him an angry, loud, profane man who used slurs for gay people, blacks, Jews and women.

Gilroy told The New York Times, “He talked about killing people all the time.”

Gilroy said he wasn’t surprised when he learned of the massacre: He said, “I saw it coming.”

Bipolar and roid raging. And he was still allowed to buy a rifle.

[Sharania]

John McCain: Obama is ‘directly responsible’ for Orlando attack

Looks like McCain had a chug of Trump-Aid.

Have you read the article? What Senator McCain actually says is the following:

“Barack Obama is directly responsible for it, because when he pulled everybody out of Iraq, al-Qaeda went to Syria, became ISIS, and ISIS is what it is today thanks to Barack Obama’s failures,” McCain said.

“I did not mean to imply that the President was personally responsible,” he said. “I was referring to President Obama’s national security decisions, not the President himself. As I have said, President Obama’s decision to completely withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq in 2011 led to the rise of ISIL. I and others have long warned that the failure of the President’s policy to deny ISIL safe haven would allow the terrorist organization to inspire, plan, direct or conduct attacks on the United States and Europe as they have done in Paris, Brussels, San Bernardino and now Orlando.”

I won't argue with that.

[The Princes of the Universe]

I think the terrorists should be executed, but in a special way. If they are just killed after their crimes, they become martyrs. That cannot be allowed to happen. There cannot be any martyrs, that will just encourage other terrorist attacks. The terrorist must be re-educated. They must see the error of their ways, and must feel what they have done is evil. They must be publically executed, but only after they confess and apologize. They must give an apology to the nation, an apology where they truly believe that what they have done is wrong. Only when terrorists see the error of their ways, and wish to be executed for the terrible things they did, then the moral and strength of the terrorists will be broken.

I think that terrorists should be burned at the stake for their crimes, and the families of the ones who were killed should get to light the fire.
Or, they should be locked in a room with families of the slain, and the families kill the person who murdered their loved ones.

Thank God neither of you will ever get a chance to enact this sociopathic bullshit.

[Christiaanistan]

Mental illness does not automatically disqualify you from owning a firearm. If you go into the Form 4473, look down in the exceptions. If you are not under mandatory treatment, then mental illness does not keep a person from buying a gun. They really have to be judged, by a court of law, as mentally defective, and they have to be under mandatory treatment.

https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

By this, we are talking about people who are already so dangerous that the law has resorted to forcing them to remain in treatment because they are a danger to themselves and others. Can you see how certain mischief might be averted by keeping these people from owning a gun? I can.

Honestly, I think that gun-owners should just get behind background checks because the people whom they are intended to prevent from purchasing a gun are actually impulsive and dangerous. Just look at the Form 4473, and read each and every line. We are not denying guns to people who are in a rational frame of mind. We are denying them to people who cannot justifiably be held altogether responsible for their own actions, anyway.

They would not have helped, in this case, because that is beyond the scope of what they were intended for. The background checks were never EVER billed as a panacea. Like I say often, there is a point at which part of the responsibility, for preventing violent crime, must devolve upon our education system.

[Harkback Union]

I think the terrorists should be executed, but in a special way. If they are just killed after their crimes, they become martyrs. That cannot be allowed to happen. There cannot be any martyrs, that will just encourage other terrorist attacks. The terrorist must be re-educated. They must see the error of their ways, and must feel what they have done is evil. They must be publically executed, but only after they confess and apologize. They must give an apology to the nation, an apology where they truly believe that what they have done is wrong. Only when terrorists see the error of their ways, and wish to be executed for the terrible things they did, then the moral and strength of the terrorists will be broken.

I think that terrorists should be burned at the stake for their crimes, and the families of the ones who were killed should get to light the fire.
Or, they should be locked in a room with families of the slain, and the families kill the person who murdered their loved ones.

Thank God neither of you will ever get a chance to enact this sociopathic bullshit.

I think the best way to deal with terrorists and serial killers is to dissect them and give their healthy organs to people who need it.

That way you can save 6-7 lives for every terrorist caught alive. That, or make millions in cash.

[Grinning Dragon]

As more and more information continues to surface about M...., I am getting the sense that the FBI has really dropped the ball on this.

Gun store owner: We called FBI before Orlando shooting

Robbie Abell, co-owner of Lotus Gunworks, said Thursday his workers had a gut feeling about M....when he came to the store four or five weeks ago.
M... asked for level 3 body armor, according to Abell, but was told the store didn't carry it. He then made a phone call and spoke in Arabic before asking for bulk ammunition, but employees did not sell it to him.

Abell told reporters "we contacted FBI direct" after M... left the store but he did not elaborate on how investigators responded. He believed his employees did what they should have done, Abell said.

[Washington Resistance Army]

As more and more information continues to surface about M...., I am getting the sense that the FBI has really dropped the ball on this.

Gun store owner: We called FBI before Orlando shooting

Robbie Abell, co-owner of Lotus Gunworks, said Thursday his workers had a gut feeling about M....when he came to the store four or five weeks ago.
M... asked for level 3 body armor, according to Abell, but was told the store didn't carry it. He then made a phone call and spoke in Arabic before asking for bulk ammunition, but employees did not sell it to him.

Abell told reporters "we contacted FBI direct" after M... left the store but he did not elaborate on how investigators responded. He believed his employees did what they should have done, Abell said.

The FBI is claiming they were never contacted, it sounds like someone fucked up pretty badly somewhere along the line.

[Gauthier]

So basically Omar Mateen was nitroglycerin martini and more balls were dropped around him than Tony Romo could ever have.