Orlando Nightclub Shooting

[The balkens]

"I would say" doesn't mean all that much. Unless you can provide some evidence that would suggest this shooter would have been less lethal if he was using a .223 instead of a .300 BLK, I seen no substantive reason to continue with the "HE WASN'T USING AN AR-15, HE WAS USING A SIG MCX!" line.

.300 BLK hits with more force, and if I'm not mistaken some loads move faster than .223 as well. That's pretty much all you need to make a bullet more deadly is weight and speed.
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Didnt michael moore and his fatass say something about the M-16's ammo being banned by the Geneva convention.

[Washington Resistance Army]

.300 BLK hits with more force, and if I'm not mistaken some loads move faster than .223 as well. That's pretty much all you need to make a bullet more deadly is weight and speed.
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Didnt michael moore and his fatass say something about the M-16's ammo being banned by the Geneva convention.

because it explodes apparently lol

.223 APHE is the round all Americans use in his mind.

[The balkens]

Didnt michael moore and his fatass say something about the M-16's ammo being banned by the Geneva convention.

because it explodes apparently lol

.223 APHE is the round all Americans use in his mind.

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[Gauthier]

John McCain: Obama is ‘directly responsible’ for Orlando attack

Looks like McCain had a chug of Trump-Aid.

Actually reading the article, he does have some valid points. US withdrawal from Iraq certainly destabilized it, leading in part to the rise of ISIS. Of course Bushes invasion in the first place destabilized Iraq and lead to growing power of militants in the area.

Also different from Trumps remarks, which imply Obama is supporting ISIS and other terrorists.

And if there was no Daesh the unstable self-hating closet case formerly known as Omar Mateen would have pledge last-second allegiance to al'Qaeda and Hezbollah at the same time with McCain still blaming Obama for it. Which is bullshit unless you agree Obama should be held responsible for every single deranged fanboy who pledges allegiance to every jihadi group that hate each other.

[Spirit of Hope]

Actually reading the article, he does have some valid points. US withdrawal from Iraq certainly destabilized it, leading in part to the rise of ISIS. Of course Bushes invasion in the first place destabilized Iraq and lead to growing power of militants in the area.

Also different from Trumps remarks, which imply Obama is supporting ISIS and other terrorists.

And if there was no Daesh the unstable self-hating closet case formerly known as Omar Mateen would have pledge last-second allegiance to al'Qaeda and Hezbollah at the same time with McCain still blaming Obama for it. Which is bullshit unless you agree Obama should be held responsible for every single deranged fanboy who pledges allegiance to every jihadi group that hate each other.

If ISIS hadn't risen, or the US had been in a better place to stop the fighting in Syria, then the unstable crazy guy may not have been exposed to the material that radicalized him and lead him to carry out the attack. I'm not saying I think McCain is correct in condemning Obama, if we had stayed in Iraq a lot more American service members would probably be dead and injured, not to mention the massive monetary costs of staying in Iraq. I'm just pointing out McCain isn't stupidly attacking Obama like Trump is.

[Christiaanistan]

Senate Republicans agree to hold a vote on gun control.

I actually find the headline to be worrisome. The vote they are holding is on whether to add terror suspects to the list of people who won't be able to purchase firearms.

However, that would include my boyfriend's landlord, who has not even broken any law except for smoking reefer, but because he comes from Afghanistan and receives packages in the mail from Afghanistan, he has the FBI watching him. He is an old man who likes getting lit on reefer and lounging on his front porch in his bathrobe for the only exciting thing he does, if you can say that is exciting. I am literally more afraid of my own brother than I am of this guy.

Unfortunately, there is a risk that the proposal could end up targeting the wrong people. While I don't think it's really THAT important for someone to be able to purchase a whatever-alphabet-soup, I would be concerned about externalities of people feeling they are being treated unfairly. A lot of people are being watched by the FBI for very dumb reasons. A lot of people are held in suspicion for very dumb reasons.

[Patridam]

As I said, unless you can provide some evidence that this shooter would have been less lethal if using an AR-15 instead of a SIG MCX, I seen no substantive reason to continue with the "HE WASN'T USING AN AR-15, HE WAS USING A SIG MCX!" line.

I wasn't trying to say that an AR-15 would have been substantially less effective for this application. The .300 BLK is a more effective round than the .223 for sure but to prove beyond a doubt that he would have killed less people with an AR-15 would require a time machine.

But it makes a difference in other ways. One, it's good just to update and change to match the facts for the sake of accuracy and not lying as we discuss this. Two, it renders what the inventor of the AR-15 may or may not have said as rather irrelevant. Three, the fact that you seem not to care at all or even understand the differences between this gun and an AR-15 - I mean, you called it an "AR-15 Variant" where with even a moment of research would have told you that was flagrantly wrong - reflects very poorly on you and the rest of the gun control activists. If you can't be bothered to know jack about firearms, why should I trust you and your opinions on how to legislate them?

[Tokuopolis]

This is very sad.

Obama consoles bereaved

Newsround: World landmarks in rainbow lights for Orlando

[Patridam]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orl ... story.html
It would seem that Mateen's wife could not only have stopped him by reporting his abuse (same applies to his first wife), but that she accompanied him to purchase ammunition and a gun holster, she dropped him off at the club more than once, and that she "tried to talk him out of" the shooting - meaning that she was aware what he was planning and told no one.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-noor-salman-20160615-snap-story.html
It would seem that Mateen's wife could not only have stopped him by reporting his abuse (same applies to his first wife), but that she accompanied him to purchase ammunition and a gun holster, she dropped him off at the club more than once, and that she "tried to talk him out of" the shooting - meaning that she was aware what he was planning and told no one.

To be entirely fair to Mateen's wife, I doubt a lot of people would think turning snitch on your SO is okay.

[Patridam]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-noor-salman-20160615-snap-story.html
It would seem that Mateen's wife could not only have stopped him by reporting his abuse (same applies to his first wife), but that she accompanied him to purchase ammunition and a gun holster, she dropped him off at the club more than once, and that she "tried to talk him out of" the shooting - meaning that she was aware what he was planning and told no one.

To be entirely fair to Mateen's wife, I doubt a lot of people would think turning snitch on your SO is okay.

If an SO had committed a minor crime? Or, hell, even a single murder depending on the circumstances.... well I would understand, if not condone covering for them. But premeditated murder of potentially hundreds of innocent people?

[Frank Zipper]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-noor-salman-20160615-snap-story.html
It would seem that Mateen's wife could not only have stopped him by reporting his abuse (same applies to his first wife), but that she accompanied him to purchase ammunition and a gun holster, she dropped him off at the club more than once, and that she "tried to talk him out of" the shooting - meaning that she was aware what he was planning and told no one.

Presumably the holster was for the handgun he had as part of his security guard job.

[Christiaanistan]

As I said, unless you can provide some evidence that this shooter would have been less lethal if using an AR-15 instead of a SIG MCX, I seen no substantive reason to continue with the "HE WASN'T USING AN AR-15, HE WAS USING A SIG MCX!" line.

I wasn't trying to say that an AR-15 would have been substantially less effective for this application. The .300 BLK is a more effective round than the .223 for sure but to prove beyond a doubt that he would have killed less people with an AR-15 would require a time machine.

But it makes a difference in other ways. One, it's good just to update and change to match the facts for the sake of accuracy and not lying as we discuss this. Two, it renders what the inventor of the AR-15 may or may not have said as rather irrelevant. Three, the fact that you seem not to care at all or even understand the differences between this gun and an AR-15 - I mean, you called it an "AR-15 Variant" where with even a moment of research would have told you that was flagrantly wrong - reflects very poorly on you and the rest of the gun control activists. If you can't be bothered to know jack about firearms, why should I trust you and your opinions on how to legislate them?

Can you tell the difference between a gun-control activist and someone who just hates gun hobbyists who seem to think that every conversation is about them and think they're experts because they can remember a handful of alphabet-soup names for some military weapons because they played with them in a game. I was trained on disassembling and reassembling an M16, cleaning its parts, and correct breathing technique for actually firing it. A stoned caveman could use one of the things and fire accurately while dehydrated and suffering from a life-threatening heatstroke right at that minute, which is how it is deliberately designed. However, sometimes people want to talk about something other than some bastard's fucking gun hobby.

Not everybody who supports basic background checks wants to take away your DW-15. They are relatively unintrusive for most people, and they actually prevent certain types of crimes very effectively.

http://www.npr.org/2016/01/09/462252799 ... everything

They're not supposed to have unlimited effectiveness at preventing crime. At some point, we have to shift the burden onto our education system and other agencies.

[Cymrea]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-noor-salman-20160615-snap-story.html
It would seem that Mateen's wife could not only have stopped him by reporting his abuse (same applies to his first wife), but that she accompanied him to purchase ammunition and a gun holster, she dropped him off at the club more than once, and that she "tried to talk him out of" the shooting - meaning that she was aware what he was planning and told no one.

To be entirely fair to Mateen's wife, I doubt a lot of people would think turning snitch on your SO is okay.

The law doesn't subscribe to the criminal-culture idea of a snitch. If she knew about Mateen's plans and said nothing, she may be culpable of a crime.

[Camicon]

"I would say" doesn't mean all that much. Unless you can provide some evidence that would suggest this shooter would have been less lethal if he was using a .223 instead of a .300 BLK, I seen no substantive reason to continue with the "HE WASN'T USING AN AR-15, HE WAS USING A SIG MCX!" line.

.300 BLK hits with more force, and if I'm not mistaken some loads move faster than .223 as well. That's pretty much all you need to make a bullet more deadly is weight and speed.

If the bullet doesn't deform or tumble on impact, as one might expect from faster and heavier bullet, then it could very well be less lethal than a comparatively slower bullet that does deform and tumble. Your opinion and educated guesses do not constitute evidence on this matter.

I wasn't trying to say that an AR-15 would have been substantially less effective for this application. The .300 BLK is a more effective round than the .223 for sure but to prove beyond a doubt that he would have killed less people with an AR-15 would require a time machine.

But it makes a difference in other ways. One, it's good just to update and change to match the facts for the sake of accuracy and not lying as we discuss this. Two, it renders what the inventor of the AR-15 may or may not have said as rather irrelevant. Three, the fact that you seem not to care at all or even understand the differences between this gun and an AR-15 - I mean, you called it an "AR-15 Variant" where with even a moment of research would have told you that was flagrantly wrong - reflects very poorly on you and the rest of the gun control activists. If you can't be bothered to know jack about firearms, why should I trust you and your opinions on how to legislate them?

I'm not asking you to prove beyond a doubt, I'm asking for some evidence.

When discussing what weapon the shooter used I can understanding correcting people who say he was armed with an AR-15, but when discussing potential weapons bans and firearm regulations it becomes far less salient a distinction.
What the inventor of the AR-15 would have thought is irrelevant in any case.
And my great apologies for using the word "variant" when I should have used the word "style". Clearly this minor slip on my part indicates a complete and utter lack of knowledge about firearms entirely.

[Gauthier]

Are You More Volatile Than a Fifth Grader?

It's New York Daily News so take it with a grain of salt, but if it's true Little Omar was an angry fuck who threatened to Columbine back in fifth grade.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

To be entirely fair to Mateen's wife, I doubt a lot of people would think turning snitch on your SO is okay.

The law doesn't subscribe to the criminal-culture idea of a snitch. If she knew about Mateen's plans and said nothing, she may be culpable of a crime.

SOs don't necessarily go by the law, they go by cultural expectations.

I would think a lot of cultures would be against turning your SO in to the police, even if it means they going to jail as well.

Loyalty towards your significant other is literally the building block of a family. I am not sure most people would get into what the other person would consider betrayal.

[Patridam]

Can you tell the difference between a gun-control activist and someone who just hates gun hobbyists who seem to think that every conversation is about them and think they're experts because they can remember a handful of alphabet-soup names for some military weapons because they played with them in a game. I was trained on disassembling and reassembling an M16, cleaning its parts, and correct breathing technique for actually firing it. A stoned caveman could use one of the things and fire accurately while dehydrated and suffering from a life-threatening heatstroke right at that minute, which is how it is deliberately designed. However, sometimes people want to talk about something other than some bastard's fucking gun hobby.

I don't expect them to memorize and know everything off the top of their head. But at least do 5 minutes of research before posting something that's totally flagrant bullshit. It's intellectual laziness that wouldn't fly with anything else on this website, and yet I'm just supposed to let it go because the topic in queston is firearms?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

To be entirely fair to Mateen's wife, I doubt a lot of people would think turning snitch on your SO is okay.

If an SO had committed a minor crime? Or, hell, even a single murder depending on the circumstances.... well I would understand, if not condone covering for them. But premeditated murder of potentially hundreds of innocent people?

You underestimate the loyalty expected from a significant other across cultures.

[Geilinor]

The law doesn't subscribe to the criminal-culture idea of a snitch. If she knew about Mateen's plans and said nothing, she may be culpable of a crime.

SOs don't necessarily go by the law, they go by cultural expectations.

I would think a lot of cultures would be against turning your SO in to the police, even if it means they going to jail as well.

Loyalty towards your significant other is literally the building block of a family. I am not sure most people would get into what the other person would consider betrayal.

In the end, that's not relevant if your SO is going to kill dozens of people.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

SOs don't necessarily go by the law, they go by cultural expectations.

I would think a lot of cultures would be against turning your SO in to the police, even if it means they going to jail as well.

Loyalty towards your significant other is literally the building block of a family. I am not sure most people would get into what the other person would consider betrayal.

In the end, that's not relevant if your SO is going to kill dozens of people.

Depends on your culture, quite frankly, and how much is the extent of loyalty expected.

From what it appears, she comes from an extremely conservative background herself, so it makes sense that she would not want to go to the cops with the information.

[Geilinor]

In the end, that's not relevant if your SO is going to kill dozens of people.

Depends on your culture, quite frankly, and how much is the extent of loyalty expected.

The law doesn't care.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Depends on your culture, quite frankly, and how much is the extent of loyalty expected.

The law doesn't care.

I never said you don't have to suffer the legal repercussions of being loyal to your significant other.

Simply that she acted out of loyalty. Contrary to the witch-hunt against her for not going to the police because this guy was deranged, she wasn't going to anyways.

[Cymrea]

The law doesn't subscribe to the criminal-culture idea of a snitch. If she knew about Mateen's plans and said nothing, she may be culpable of a crime.

SOs don't necessarily go by the law, they go by cultural expectations.

I would think a lot of cultures would be against turning your SO in to the police, even if it means they going to jail as well.

Loyalty towards your significant other is literally the building block of a family. I am not sure most people would get into what the other person would consider betrayal.

I agree with you're assessment, although I think she was an ex-SO. Not all of them would be so loyal, ya know?

Regardless, that won't be a reason sufficient defence if she's charged.

[Geilinor]

John McCain just blamed Obama for the shooting because he pulled troops out of Iraq.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/mccain-obama-responsible-orlando-shooting-224451
Apparently ignoring the status of forces agreement signed by Bush.