Gay Nightclub Attacked in Orlando, FL

[Rodrania]

Gay people better start being afraid. Looks like the gays are being targeted.

Weren't members of the LGBT (Sorry if I placed the letters on the wrong order) community always targeted by religious extremists?

[Freefall11111]

Gay people better start being afraid. Looks like the gays are being targeted.

You're significantly more likely to die in a car accident than from a terror attack. Being afraid of such a statistically unlikely event is a waste of energy.

[The Black Forrest]

Did they say what the weapon was? It was said they thought it might have been......

1x AR-15 and 1x handgun of unknown model along with some possible explosive devices, no assault rifle to be seen.

If I had to guess I would have chosen an AR-15. But thanks just the same.....

[Elepis]

Gay people better start being afraid. Looks like the gays are being targeted.

we were afraid all ready....depending on where you live of course, I live in middle class England so I am not afraid, if I lived in North Carolina I would feel differently

[American Imperial State]

Gay people better start being afraid. Looks like the gays are being targeted.

Weren't members of the LGBT (Sorry if I placed the letters on the wrong order) community always targeted by religious extremists?

Not in America, and not like this.

[Kelinfort]

Gay people better start being afraid. Looks like the gays are being targeted.

Yes, please reassure people with fear.

[Galloism]

It's a point that an "assault rifle" defines a weapon capable of fully-automatic fire. I argue that this occasionally falls down, but mostly holds up.

I thought it was selective fire that "assault" implied.

Ok, so let's be clear.

"Assault rifle" = rifle with select-fire mode.
"Assault Weapon" = scary looking gun, usually black.

[Cerillium]

You seem like an angry person. I think you'll find 90% of people on this planet are not out to kill anyone. Don't judge 1 billion people on the actions of like..... a few thousand

Well considering that I lost a friend at that shooting, I have a right to be pissed.

There are no "Moderate" Islamists/Muslims. There are Westernized, Apathetic, and Hardcore Islamists. The claims about Moderates being the majority who are against such acts are deliberate lies. Westernized Muslims, who are ok with Israel, gays, lesbians, and trans existing, are such a small minority, easily the smallest group of them all.

The so called "Moderates," are actually apathetic people who don't really care if something bad happens to others, because they are not subject to such horrible acts on the fact that they believe that the West and it's denizens deserve it. These comprise of the majority and they are far more likely to support the Hardcore factions that call for the beheading of gays, and stoning of women who walk outside alone.

You really shouldn't paint all people with the same brush, especially as I provided a source that clearly states that Muslims can be tolerant, especially of trans people.

[Patridam]

He didn't have an assault rifle.

Wasn't it an Assault Rifle & Handgun? Or was it just a Rifle?

Assault Rifle = fully automatic.

This was not a fully automatic rifle, thus not an assault rifle. Now, an "assault weapon", that's a whole 'nother can of worms.

[Elepis]

Weren't members of the LGBT (Sorry if I placed the letters on the wrong order) community always targeted by religious extremists?

Not in America, and not like this.

funny

[Occupied Deutschland]

Just as a note, Mateen did apparently have the qualifications and undergo the process to become a security guard according to this CBS article. Someone mentioned his having a 'Statewide handgun license' earlier, which is the specific license in Florida to be armed security (though CBS doesn't address that). So...I don't know, his background was wholly benign, one could even say respectable, from appearances. Which would suggest some kind of mental break or a religious extremification...But then, I'm no investigator.

[Conserative Morality]

Not in America,

Ha.

[The Black Forrest]

Gay people better start being afraid. Looks like the gays are being targeted.

Yes, please reassure people with fear.

But but they will be safer back in the closet with Tom Cruse.

[Kelinfort]

Weren't members of the LGBT (Sorry if I placed the letters on the wrong order) community always targeted by religious extremists?

Not in America, and not like this.

Actually yeah, perhaps not in an attack this large, but violence against LGBT people, especially Trans people, is common and often doesn't receive much media coverage

[Gauliscia]

No True Scotsman? Really?

Isn't there a requirement of some sort to be a Christian? Like believing in Jesus?

When one gun doesn't solve the issue, maybe fifty will.

Spam could be the only hope. Assuming the nightclub isn't a scene of mass chaos.

Christians are followers of Christ. The aforementioned Africans obviously do not follow Christ, for a start. Secondly, Jesus founded a church, the Roman Church. Whilst there are many many good Protestants and Orthodox, they have deviated from this church...

[Socialist Nordia]

Sane article as previously, and also a part of Orlando Police Chief's statement. "He appeared to be carrying an assault-type rifle and a handgun, and had some type of device on him."

Assault rifles are wildly hard to acquire legally, I'm very confident in saying he didn't have one.

"He was killed by law enforcement. He had an assault rifle, handgun and another 'device.'"
From LA Times article. http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orl ... story.html

[American Imperial State]

Not in America, and not like this.

funny

Hey, let's go to syria snd I bet you will miss the old fashioned American bigotry.

[Rhodesialund]

You really shouldn't paint all people with the same brush, especially as I provided a source that clearly states that Muslims can be tolerant, especially of trans people.

Can be, but are they actually?

[Noraika]

Assault rifles are wildly hard to acquire legally, I'm very confident in saying he didn't have one.

No offence, and meaning all due respect, but I trust the Orlando Police Chief to have a better understanding of the situation than you do, and I take his words with more credibility than your's in this situation. If he says he appeared to have an assault-style weapon then I won't tell him I know better.

Gay people better start being afraid. Looks like the gays are being targeted.

That's...not really new for LGB+ and T people...I mean mass shootings are new yes, in the U.S., but general violence and hate crimes? Nope. I mean transgender people alone have had rhetoric advocating people to shoot them in the past month alone.

[Elepis]

Isn't there a requirement of some sort to be a Christian? Like believing in Jesus?

Spam could be the only hope. Assuming the nightclub isn't a scene of mass chaos.

Christians are followers of Christ. The aforementioned Africans obviously do not follow Christ, for a start. Secondly, Jesus founded a church, the Roman Church. Whilst there are many many good Protestants and Orthodox, they have deviated from this church...

No he didn't, the Roman Church did come in to existance for centuries after Jesus. Jesus founded a kind of messianic, millennial cult which quickly spread and split up as it spread.

[Philjia]

Gay people better start being afraid. Looks like the gays are being targeted.

Weren't members of the LGBT (Sorry if I placed the letters on the wrong order) community always targeted by religious extremists?

Yes. We've just had a few hundred years of enlightenment thinking to iron it out, although we're not there yet.

[Italios]

You seem like an angry person. I think you'll find 90% of people on this planet are not out to kill anyone. Don't judge 1 billion people on the actions of like..... a few thousand

Well considering that I lost a friend at that shooting, I have a right to be pissed.

There are no "Moderate" Islamists/Muslims. There are Westernized, Apathetic, and Hardcore Islamists. The claims about Moderates being the majority who are against such acts are deliberate lies. Westernized Muslims, who are ok with Israel, gays, lesbians, and trans existing, are such a small minority, easily the smallest group of them all.

The so called "Moderates," are actually apathetic people who don't really care if something bad happens to others, because they are not subject to such horrible acts on the fact that they believe that the West and it's denizens deserve it. These comprise of the majority and they are far more likely to support the Hardcore factions that call for the beheading of gays, and stoning of women who walk outside alone.

Okay, first of all: only about 1% of all adults in the US identify as Muslim. That's already a very small minority. That lowers the terror threat considerably.

Of those, 43% are American-born. Assuming their family has lived in the US for a couple generations are more likely to assimilate and adopt to the political norms of the country and have liberal views. Overall, the terror threat in the US is low. I'm sorry about your friend but that does not actually give you a right to pick and choose and assume things without providing stats or sources.

You also might want to take a look at this: even in predominantly Muslim countries, a vast majority of the population views ISIS negatively and DOESN'T support them.

Recent surveys show that most people in several countries with significant Muslim populations have an unfavorable view of ISIS, including virtually all respondents in Lebanon and 94% in Jordan. Relatively small shares say they see ISIS favorably. In some countries, considerable portions of the population do not offer an opinion about ISIS, including a majority (62%) of Pakistanis.

In the US, a majority of Muslims condone terror attacks and say they are never justified. So it's safe to assume these are the people who wouldn't plan or follow through with their own terror attack. If you remember, only 1% of Americans are Muslim. So of the 86% of the 1% of Americans, those people do not support Islamic State-inspired attacks.

More generally, Muslims mostly say that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam are rarely or never justified, including 92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq. In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say that such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified in these circumstances.

It's false even to claim that Muslims are more radical than Christians, so nice try. When this story just came out and there was absolutely no indicator of the shooter's reason to commit this tragedy, statistically, there would be no way to tell if the shooter was Muslim or Christian because they are equally as religious and therefore more likely to commit acts of terror in the name of their religion.

Roughly seven-in-ten U.S. Muslims (69%) say religion is very important in their lives. Virtually all (96%) say they believe in God, nearly two-thirds (65%) report praying at least daily and nearly half (47%) say they attend religious services at least weekly. By all of these traditional measures, Muslims in the U.S. are roughly as religious as U.S. Christians, although they are less religious than Muslims in many other nations.

About half of the US Muslim population don't even think THEIR OWN religious leaders have spoken out about Islamic terrorism. Not even nationwide leaders but the leaders of Islam.

Our 2011 survey of Muslim Americans found that roughly half of U.S. Muslims (48%) say their own religious leaders have not done enough to speak out against Islamic extremists.

Source: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... the-world/

Try harder next time. You had no sources, stats, or evidence in your post. You just made assumptions the whole time. Kinda just made things up there.

[Patridam]

He did have an assault rifle. It's kind of hard to kill 50 people with a handgun. Investigators confirmed this.

He had an semiautomatic rifle. An "assault rifle" is a fully automatic rifle. He also had a handgun, presumably for use when he was reloading the rifle.

And it is very possible to kill crowds with a handgun - if you have two, the possibilities are limitless. Semiautomatic handguns shoot just as fast as semiautomatic rifles and can have similarly high ammo capacity (e.g. the Glock 17 with its 17 round magazine). Just look at the Virginia Tech shootings.

[Galloism]

Assault rifles are wildly hard to acquire legally, I'm very confident in saying he didn't have one.

No offence, and meaning all due respect, but I trust the Orlando Police Chief to have a better understanding of the situation than you do, and I take his words with more credibility than your's in this situation. If he says he appeared to have an assault-style weapon then I won't tell him I know better.

Gay people better start being afraid. Looks like the gays are being targeted.

That's...not really new for LGB+ and T people...I mean mass shootings are new yes, but general violence and hate crimes? Nope.

"assault style weapon" and "assault rifle" are two very very different things.

An "assault weapon" is a scary looking gun that's usually black, but typically is semi-auto like almost every gun in existence.

An "assault rifle" is a rifle with at least a medium size cartridge that has select-fire capability. Very very different.

[Staythefout]

The cops can't save you


What's more important is ensuring that at least one well trained civilian is carrying at any public place, civilians are the REAL first responders...

A civilian wouldn't have been able to stop this.

You don't know that.