Gay Nightclub Attacked in Orlando, FL

[Communist Xomaniax]

hani immigrants, apparently pledged allegiance to Daesh before the attack, his father stated he became furious after seeing two gay men kiss, he's been praised by Daesh etc.

Ah, so a lone wolf ISIS fetishist act of islamic terror? Fun stuff.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Maybe this will bring anti gunners down to earth for a change...i think the defining characteristic is that they never think about if it happened to them. Since the target was homosexuals maybe some liberals will start becoming looser on gun issues, if even a few guys in this big club were packing this would have been over long before it really was...the police can't save you.

I'd fix the police first. US police are under trained, under equipped, and not legally obligated to protect you.

They most certainly aren't under-equipped, but I can agree on the other two points.

It does look like the police did a good job here though, props to them.

[Elepis]

You seem like an angry person. I think you'll find 90% of people on this planet are not out to kill anyone. Don't judge 1 billion people on the actions of like..... a few thousand

Well considering that I lost a friend at that shooting, I have a right to be pissed.

There are no "Moderate" Islamists/Muslims. There are Westernized, Apathetic, and Hardcore Islamists. The claims about Moderates being the majority who are against such acts are deliberate lies. Westernized Muslims, who are ok with Israel, gays, lesbians, and trans existing, are such a small minority, easily the smallest group of them all.

The so called "Moderates," are actually apathetic people who don't really care if something bad happens to others, because they are not subject to such horrible acts on the fact that they believe that the West and it's denizens deserve it. These comprise of the majority and they are far more likely to support the Hardcore factions that call for the beheading of gays, and stoning of women who walk outside alone.

because you have an instant hotline in to the brains on all Muslims....

[Rodrania]

hani immigrants, apparently pledged allegiance to Daesh before the attack, his father stated he became furious after seeing two gay men kiss, he's been praised by Daesh etc.

Ah, so a lone wolf ISIS fetishist act of islamic terror? Fun stuff.

And it's apparently slowly becoming a rather popular hobby

[Conserative Morality]

You mean like the police officer who was already there and returned fire pretty much as soon as it all kicked off?

He was a cop. Only the magic of civilian firearms can save you.

[Val Halla]

Maybe this will bring anti gunners down to earth for a change...i think the defining characteristic is that they never think about if it happened to them. Since the target was homosexuals maybe some liberals will start becoming looser on gun issues, if even a few guys in this big club were packing this would have been over long before it really was...the police can't save you.

Because more guns would totally work in a crowded night club, yeah

[Napkiraly]

LOLRIGHT

Keep defending them, sure. Meanwhile, I'd be stoned to death by these people for being Trans, especially the moderates.

"As of 2008, Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand. The government provides up to half the cost for those needing financial assistance, and a sex change is recognised on the birth certificate." Barford, Vanessa (February 25, 2008). "BBC News: Iran's 'diagnosed transsexuals'". British Broadcasting Corporation.

You know that it's the way Iran allows homosexuals to avoid the death penalty right? It's either change your gender, most likely against how you actually identify yourself, or a short drop and sudden stop is the alternative. Not that progressive.

[Imperializt Russia]

Maybe this will bring anti gunners down to earth for a change...i think the defining characteristic is that they never think about if it happened to them. Since the target was homosexuals maybe some liberals will start becoming looser on gun issues, if even a few guys in this big club were packing this would have been over long before it really was...the police can't save you.

Not sure why who the victim is would change my opinion that mass shootings should never be allowed to occur.

[Freefall11111]

You mean like the police officer who was already there and returned fire pretty much as soon as it all kicked off?

He was a cop. Only the magic of civilian firearms can save you.

When one gun doesn't solve the issue, maybe fifty will.

[Gauliscia]

You seem like an angry person. I think you'll find 90% of people on this planet are not out to kill anyone. Don't judge 1 billion people on the actions of like..... a few thousand

Well considering that I lost a friend at that shooting, I have a right to be pissed.

There are no "Moderate" Islamists/Muslims. There are Westernized, Apathetic, and Hardcore Islamists. The claims about Moderates being the majority who are against such acts are deliberate lies. Westernized Muslims, who are ok with Israel, gays, lesbians, and trans existing, are such a small minority, easily the smallest group of them all.

The so called "Moderates," are actually apathetic people who don't really care if something bad happens to others, because they are not subject to such horrible acts on the fact that they believe that the West and it's denizens deserve it. These comprise of the majority and they are far more likely to support the Hardcore factions that call for the beheading of gays, and stoning of women who walk outside alone.

Anger is a weakness and never justified. That's a very cynical, uninformed view you have there. I know many Muslims and all them are/would be appalled by this.

[Rodrania]

Aaaand the governor of Florida claims it's a terrorist act. He also declared an state of emergency.

[Val Halla]

"As of 2008, Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand. The government provides up to half the cost for those needing financial assistance, and a sex change is recognised on the birth certificate." Barford, Vanessa (February 25, 2008). "BBC News: Iran's 'diagnosed transsexuals'". British Broadcasting Corporation.

You know that it's the way Iran allows homosexuals to avoid the death penalty right? It's either change your gender, most likely against how you actually identify yourself, or a short drop and sudden stop is the alternative. Not that progressive.

Pretty sure that's Isreal

[The Black Forrest]

Maybe this will bring anti gunners down to earth for a change...i think the defining characteristic is that they never think about if it happened to them. Since the target was homosexuals maybe some liberals will start becoming looser on gun issues, if even a few guys in this big club were packing this would have been over long before it really was...the police can't save you.

Yes because owning a weapon makes you ready to return fire without thinking and of course kill the shooter without hitting anybody else.

Ever been in a mass panic?

[The Kievan People]

He's probably taking it from articles similar to this. (The article clarifies he was a person of interest but also that law enforcement doesn't believe it has anything to do with religion at this point in time.)

Specifically,

http://abcnews.go.com/US/omar-mateen-su ... d=39790797

Florida Sen. Bill Nelson later said that information from intelligence sources indicated there "appears to be a link to Islamic radicalism ... some kind of connection to ISIS."

[Noraika]

Maybe this will bring anti gunners down to earth for a change...i think the defining characteristic is that they never think about if it happened to them. Since the target was homosexuals maybe some liberals will start becoming looser on gun issues, if even a few guys in this big club were packing this would have been over long before it really was...the police can't save you.

They had at least one armed police officer working at the pub, who was on-site and who engaged the suspect at the start of the attack. Police Chief confirmed that himself. Having a trained and armed police officer literally did nothing to stop this massacre. BBC World News

From what I've heard though, lax gun laws allowed this shooter to get his hands on an assault rifle and handgun very easily and legally though.

[Rhodesialund]

LOLRIGHT

Keep defending them, sure. Meanwhile, I'd be stoned to death by these people for being Trans, especially the moderates.

"As of 2008, Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand. The government provides up to half the cost for those needing financial assistance, and a sex change is recognised on the birth certificate." Barford, Vanessa (February 25, 2008). "BBC News: Iran's 'diagnosed transsexuals'". British Broadcasting Corporation.

Transgender people there are severely pressured into getting SRS so they are within the Pillars of the Faith. Those who do not want to get SRS, such as myself, are treated as homosexuals. And you of all people should know how well homosexuals in shitholes like that are treated.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Aaaand the governor of Florida claims it's a terrorist act. He also declared an state of emergency.

Good, because that's exactly what it was.

[Armed Citizens]

Well that bloody sucks.

I think I need to assemble a playlist of YouTube videos to restore my faith in Islam, because even though unfair and illogical, these whackos really bother me.

Having said that we have a constitutional right to bear Qurans and now is not the time for common sense Muslim reform, Mr. Trump. #NeverTrump

[Freefall11111]

You know that it's the way Iran allows homosexuals to avoid the death penalty right? It's either change your gender, most likely against how you actually identify yourself, or a short drop and sudden stop is the alternative. Not that progressive.

Pretty sure that's Isreal

Israel? You mean the country that's only used the death penalty once, and who recognises gay marriage performed overseas?

[Conserative Morality]

You know that it's the way Iran allows homosexuals to avoid the death penalty right? It's either change your gender, most likely against how you actually identify yourself, or a short drop and sudden stop is the alternative. Not that progressive.

It is a refutation to the assumption that the other poster would be stoned to death for being trans.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Maybe this will bring anti gunners down to earth for a change...i think the defining characteristic is that they never think about if it happened to them. Since the target was homosexuals maybe some liberals will start becoming looser on gun issues, if even a few guys in this big club were packing this would have been over long before it really was...the police can't save you.

They had at least one armed police officer working at the pub, who was on-site and who engaged the suspect at the start of the attack. Police Chief confirmed that himself. Having a trained and armed police officer literally did nothing to stop this massacre. BBC World News

From what I've heard though, lax gun laws allowed this shooter to get his hands on an assault rifle and handgun very easily and legally though.

He didn't have an assault rifle.

[Communist Xomaniax]

LOLRIGHT

Keep defending them, sure. Meanwhile, I'd be stoned to death by these people for being Trans, especially the moderates.

"As of 2008, Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand. The government provides up to half the cost for those needing financial assistance, and a sex change is recognised on the birth certificate." Barford, Vanessa (February 25, 2008). "BBC News: Iran's 'diagnosed transsexuals'". British Broadcasting Corporation.

Bad example, given that Iran also forces the operation on trans folk regardless of their wishes, and gay men as well. Refusal is met with execution.

[MERIZoC]

"As of 2008, Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand. The government provides up to half the cost for those needing financial assistance, and a sex change is recognised on the birth certificate." Barford, Vanessa (February 25, 2008). "BBC News: Iran's 'diagnosed transsexuals'". British Broadcasting Corporation.

You know that it's the way Iran allows homosexuals to avoid the death penalty right? It's either change your gender, most likely against how you actually identify yourself, or a short drop and sudden stop is the alternative. Not that progressive.

Cerillium never claimed it was lol. Read the post he's responding to.

[Rodrania]

Aaaand the governor of Florida claims it's a terrorist act. He also declared an state of emergency.

Good, because that's exactly what it was.

I have no opinion until it's official, but I also have a "hunch" that this is an act of extremism and not just homophobia.

[The Black Forrest]

They had at least one armed police officer working at the pub, who was on-site and who engaged the suspect at the start of the attack. Police Chief confirmed that himself. Having a trained and armed police officer literally did nothing to stop this massacre. BBC World News

From what I've heard though, lax gun laws allowed this shooter to get his hands on an assault rifle and handgun very easily and legally though.

He didn't have an assault rifle.

Did they say what the weapon was? It was said they thought it might have been......