Gay Nightclub Attacked in Orlando, FL

[The Kievan People]

Pledging allegiance to ISIS is rather different from being connected with them. I could pledge my allegiance right now, wouldn't really mean shit.

He pledged allegiance to them, then went out and murdered fifty people in their name, and they praised him for it. They also were apparently the first to post a picture of him, which was first reported in the media as a picture alleged to be the shooter posted by ISIS twitter. I wonder where they got it? How did they know it was him?

Oh and lets take a moment to remember ISIS called for attacks on the west during Ramadan. Guess what time of the year it is!

But no connection. Nope.

[Rhyphix]

Gov Rick Scott just now: "clearly an act of terror"

[Freefall11111]

Feelings of isolation and desperation. At some point it gets to where you want to give up your life for something, and right now, radical Islam is the easiest to claim in the West.

But to join a death cult and enjoy wiping out history? Like I said; trouble getting it and accepting it.....

You underestimate how mentally ill people who commit mass murder are.

[Gauliscia]

It's depicting someone in a moment of potential mortality. That's graphic content.

I would disagree. Though he's clearly presented the image to shock, I would argue it is, as Rod suggested, disturbing but not graphic in the least.

Feel free to alert the mods if you wish, there's already a Moderation megathread.

I don't really care that much, just got bored. I've seen worse.

[Communist Xomaniax]

Did they ever find anything out about the shooter?

[The Black Forrest]

Real Muslims would not stone you.

No person with decency would stone someone.

Head chopping?

[Patridam]

But it is?

What makes me inclined to think that it isn't a coincidence is that every other time when it was found out that the shooter was Muslim it was later found out the shooters motives were from a radicalized belief in Islam.

You've presented an argument why you believe it to be the case.

You've failed to demonstrate it as fact.

What, precisely would it take for *you* to accept it as fact? The man's dead, he can't exactly tell us his motivations. If his radicalization is confirmed, would you still say him hating gays enough to do this is a coincidence?

[Vassenor]

He pledged allegiance to them

Cite your source.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Do you have anything on the "licences"? What sort of licences, since I would have assumed this meant either CC or hunting licence or something, since I wasn't aware of requiring a licence to own?
Or do some states require handgun licences now?

Someone posted it a while back in the thread but he did have what's called a "Statewide firearms license", it's something they have in Florida but idk what exactly it's for.

I believe it's the license one has to get in order to qualify/act as an armed security guard.

[Krazakistan]

But it is?

What makes me inclined to think that it isn't a coincidence is that every other time when it was found out that the shooter was Muslim it was later found out the shooters motives were from a radicalized belief in Islam.

You've presented an argument why you believe it to be the case.

You've failed to demonstrate it as fact.

Well of course it's not a fact it's just an inclination.

[The Black Forrest]

Did they ever find anything out about the shooter?

Not yet. They are still dealing with the after effects. More will follow.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Sure it wouldn't mean much if you didn't do anything afterwards, but this wouldn't be the first time people pledged allegiance to Daesh before carrying out attacks.



1x handgun, 1x rifle, possible explosives. By all accounts so far the guns were acquired legally as he had gone out of his way to legally get licenses and whatnot.

Now that's weird. I wonder why he went to all that trouble...was he premeditating this for longer than I imagine?

Who knows

Did they ever find anything out about the shooter?

Son of Afghani immigrants, apparently pledged allegiance to Daesh before the attack, his father stated he became furious after seeing two gay men kiss, he's been praised by Daesh etc.

[Napkiraly]

But you do believe they go to hell, so they die permanently in some fashion.

Not all Muslims are against gays

Many, however, are. We fully say that Christianity is a homophobic religion and Western society has pushed for it to become more tolerant or neuter it's influence as much as possible within society. Muslims and Islam in the West deserves the same treatment.

[Gauliscia]

Real Muslims would not stone you.

You are right, they'd throw me off a building instead.

You seem like an angry person. I think you'll find 90% of people on this planet are not out to kill anyone. Don't judge 1 billion people on the actions of like..... a few thousand

[Elepis]

In IS controlled areas, people who live there are rarely IS supporters or sympathisers, and they are indeed forced at gunpoint to witness public executions.

So, though you clearly didn't intend it to be, that image caption is mostly accurate.

LOLRIGHT

Keep defending them, sure. Meanwhile, I'd be stoned to death by these people for being Trans, especially the moderates.

I would be stoned to death by the few for being Bi, but I still agree with IR over you in thinking that the people watching would be just as horrified as some "civilized" westerner.

[Skyviolia]

Real Muslims would not stone you.

You are right, they'd throw me off a building instead.

I fail to understand why you consider ISIS as the rightful representatives of 1.6 BILLION people.

[Italios]

Pledging allegiance to ISIS is rather different from being connected with them. I could pledge my allegiance right now, wouldn't really mean shit.

He pledged allegiance to them, then went out and murdered fifty people in their name, and they praised him for it. They also were apparently the first to post a picture of him, which was first reported in the media as a picture alleged to be the shooter posted by ISIS twitter. I wonder where they got it? How did they know it was him?

Oh and lets take a moment to remember ISIS called for attacks on the west during Ramadan. Guess what time of the year it is!

But no connection. Nope.

Merizoc isn't saying this attack wasn't prompted by radical Islamism but that he may not have been in directly contact with ISIS, but heard about their plea and decided to take action.

[Conserative Morality]

But to join a death cult

That is precisely the appeal when you're in that state. You want to give up your life.

and enjoy wiping out history?

You'll find plenty of people who aren't considered radical in the least who don't give a damn whether they destroy history.

[Cerillium]

In IS controlled areas, people who live there are rarely IS supporters or sympathisers, and they are indeed forced at gunpoint to witness public executions.

So, though you clearly didn't intend it to be, that image caption is mostly accurate.

LOLRIGHT

Keep defending them, sure. Meanwhile, I'd be stoned to death by these people for being Trans, especially the moderates.

"As of 2008, Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand. The government provides up to half the cost for those needing financial assistance, and a sex change is recognised on the birth certificate." Barford, Vanessa (February 25, 2008). "BBC News: Iran's 'diagnosed transsexuals'". British Broadcasting Corporation.

[Herskerstad]

No person with decency would stone someone.

Head chopping?

Superglue ones ass shut and burn them alive.

(Yeah, they can get creative down there)

[Washington Resistance Army]

He pledged allegiance to them

Cite your source.

The information was relayed by a senator on CNN who got it from the Intelligence Committee.

[East Catalina]

Pledging allegiance to ISIS is rather different from being connected with them. I could pledge my allegiance right now, wouldn't really mean shit.

He pledged allegiance to them, then went out and murdered fifty people in their name, and they praised him for it. They also were apparently the first to post a picture of him, which was first reported in the media as a picture alleged to be the shooter posted by ISIS twitter. I wonder where they got it? How did they know it was him?

Oh and lets take a moment to remember ISIS called for attacks on the west during Ramadan. Guess what time of the year it is!

But no connection. Nope.

Doesn't a person have to be aware of such facts to come to the same conclusion (as you did)?

[Rodrania]

Apparently as the shooting started, there was so much panic the doors got blocked by the horde of people trying to escape, and other people inside the club had to break a fucking wall to get out.

[Imperializt Russia]

You've presented an argument why you believe it to be the case.

You've failed to demonstrate it as fact.

What, precisely would it take for *you* to accept it as fact? The man's dead, he can't exactly tell us his motivations. If his radicalization is confirmed, would you still say him hating gays enough to do this is a coincidence?

The FBI saying that it was indeed a terror link would be satisfactory.

Since, y'know, they're more credible than random jerks on the internet.

[Philjia]

Not all Muslims are against gays

Many, however, are. We fully say that Christianity is a homophobic religion and Western society has pushed for it to become more tolerant or neuter it's influence as much as possible within society. Muslims and Islam in the West deserves the same treatment.

How do you transfer three hundred years of enlightenment thinking to a conservative religion?