Gay Nightclub Attacked in Orlando, FL

[A Czecherboard]

A Muslim man with Afghan immigrant parents who shot up a gay night club on Ramadan. Gee, I'm sure there's no way this is related to Islamic extremism.

I'll wait for the actual investigation.

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

STRIKES AGAIN

Generic comment generalising a group of over a billion people strikes again

Jesus Christ. How come that it's always the most pro LGBT liberals that defend Islam? You realize they would gladly throw you off a building, if given the chance? Despite there being actual murder and oppression of gays, lesbians, in Islamic countries, you scream at the Christian street preacher, saying "homosexuality is wrong" and defend the Muslim who just shot up a gay club. Why are you so eager to fight for those who wouldn't give a second thought to blowing your brains out?

[Appalatchia]

If Trump's a serial liar, what's that make Hillary?

A woman who put our national security at risk.

But if you're a left winger than a strong and independent womyn who didn't do anything wrong.

Fuck off to this thread please. There are some people, those of us on this forum who are members of the LGBT community, for whom this is very personal, and while I'm not going to be one of those 'don't politicize this tragedy' types (because it is important to talk about the implications of things like this), the discussion you are having now is completely off track

[Noraika]

CBS is all over it and Islamist ties. Alan Grayson seems to confirm the shooter identity.

I think we can safely conclude that an Islamist radical is the culprit in this crime.

Or any person who's a member of some form of homophobic, or 'anti-gay agenda', groups. It could be a Christian who thinks that the 'gays are acting to bring an end to Christianity', or it could be a radical Islamist, or they could be non-religious, for all we know. No reason to jump to any conclusions yet. Especially when suspicions will either be confirmed or denied in due time.

[Patridam]

Unfortunately.

Fear is fuel for an idiot.

Then why isn't Hillary getting a similar boost?

Well, there's a limited number of voters so they can't BOTH get a boost (unless they steal from the 3% the Libertarians have anyway). Trump, being anti-muslim, would stand the most to gain from this incident. And when one gains, the other loses.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I know, co-conspirators.

Do we have any evidence there were any?

There's a lot of talk going around about Daesh being connected but no word on a co-conspirator that I'm aware of yet.

[Val Halla]

Note, this was not an evangelical that did this, this was a Muslim who's father said that his son got "angry" at the sight of two men kissing.

This is sick, this is regressive and this is the first time I've cried over a mass shooting. Being gay myself, I cannot even imagine the heartache that the victims and their family are going through. We need to put aside politics, put aside this gun control nonsense and show love and compassion in the face of trial.

What I find regressive is that certain people used the incident as an opportunity to imply Christianity was at fault instead of waiting for the evidence to reveal it was a Muslim.

Welcome to the Bible Belt.

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Homophobia is not limited to the religious

Do you need the statistics again?

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... -morality/

Chances are 9 out of 10 Muslims will believe homosexuality is immoral. Don't be surprised some of them may even decide to act violently against homosexuality when over half of the Muslims in a developed Western country such as the one this incident happened in want to ban homosexuality.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf (page 14)

For the Islamophiles who immediately jumped in to shout BIBLE BELT, BIBLE BELT, that was an utterly erroneous and ill-informed assumption to be making. Statistically, a Christian in the U.S. may believe same-sex marriage shouldn't be legal. They aren't aiming to ban homosexuality like the majority of Muslims are. So no, it's not surprising that a violently homophobic religion such as Islam continuously ends up spawning hate crimes against LGBT people far more than any other religion can churn out such malice.

What I meant was not all homophobes are Muslim. Maybe if you actually read what I wrote...

[Great Nilfgaard]

Has that serial liar and bigot Trump tweeted about this already?

Asking the important questions I see

[Christian Democrats]

Prayers for the victims and their families.

The Western world must do more to combat the radicalized Muslim problem. We've fallen asleep.

[West Aurelia]

I'll wait for the actual investigation.


Generic comment generalising a group of over a billion people strikes again

Jesus Christ. How come that it's always the most pro LGBT liberals that defend Islam? You realize they would gladly throw you off a building, if given the chance? Despite there being actual murder and oppression of gays, lesbians, in Islamic countries, you scream at the Christian street preacher, saying "homosexuality is wrong" and defend the Muslim who just shot up a gay club. Why are you so eager to fight for those who wouldn't give a second thought to blowing your brains out?

Mesut Özil wants to throw people off a building?

[Souseiseki]

What I find regressive is that certain people used the incident as an opportunity to imply Christianity was at fault instead of waiting for the evidence to reveal it was a Muslim.

most mass shootings in the us are committed by christians. we're just using statistics. :^)

[Herskerstad]

Gay shit?

Atlanta and Charlotte are in the Bible Belt, but they're pretty liberal.

The bible belt does not extend so far south. Gainsville is likely about as far south as the biblebelt goes.

Atlanta and Charlotte are both liberal and deeply religious due to the influence of African American Churches.

Well, neither the bible belt or the AAC's can be referenced in regards to this specific event. The only question is if this is a lone wolf attack as some have already concluded, or if it is from IS or some other existing Islamist group.

[Skyviolia]

No one is, I'm just saying that if they are, I hope they face justice.

Don't speculate for the sake of speculating.

I'm not speculating, I'm saying if there are any, I hope that they receive justice.

What would be considered speculation: There are co-conspirators, and I hope they receive justice

What would not be considered speculation: If there are co-conspirators, and I hope they receive justice

[Vassenor]

What I find regressive is that certain people used the incident as an opportunity to imply Christianity was at fault instead of waiting for the evidence to reveal it was a Muslim.

You mean like we actually did?

[Unified Governments]

A woman who put our national security at risk.

But if you're a left winger than a strong and independent womyn who didn't do anything wrong.

Fuck off to this thread please. There are some people, those of us on this forum who are members of the LGBT community, for whom this is very personal, and while I'm not going to be one of those 'don't politicize this tragedy' types (because it is important to talk about the implications of things like this), the discussion you are having now is completely off track

Thank you for pretending as if you're a moderator. I'll be sure to take your advice into consideration.

[Gauliscia]

I wonder what those who believe gay people go to hell have to say about this? They've been keeping a lid on it for quite awhile.

Hell isnt so bad. Plus, if you're a decent person you will probably go to heaven. I've messed around... but otherwise I'd say I'm clear...

[Skyviolia]

Prayers for the victims and their families.

The Western world must do more to combat the radicalized Muslim problem. We've fallen asleep.

We have no confirmation that this was an act of radicalization. Just because a Muslim does something bad doesn't mean it's because of there religion.

[Draica]

I wonder what those who believe gay people go to hell have to say about this? They've been keeping a lid on it for quite awhile.

That doesn't necessarily mean they advocate for the mass murder of gays.

But you do believe they go to hell, so they die permanently in some fashion.

[Unified Governments]

What I find regressive is that certain people used the incident as an opportunity to imply Christianity was at fault instead of waiting for the evidence to reveal it was a Muslim.

You mean like we actually did?

Hostage situations are never good if true, but a gay club is a kind of strange target.

Welcome to the Bible Belt.

[Patridam]

CBS is all over it and Islamist ties. Alan Grayson seems to confirm the shooter identity.

I think we can safely conclude that an Islamist radical is the culprit in this crime.

Or any person who's a member of some form of homophobic, or 'anti-gay agenda', groups. It could be a Christian who thinks that the 'gays are acting to bring an end to Christianity', or it could be a radical Islamist, or they could be non-religious, for all we know. No reason to jump to any conclusions yet. Especially when suspicions will either be confirmed or denied in due time.

Omar Mateen has been confirmed to be a Muslim. He's not a Christian terrorist.

[Imperializt Russia]

Note, this was not an evangelical that did this, this was a Muslim who's father said that his son got "angry" at the sight of two men kissing.

This is sick, this is regressive and this is the first time I've cried over a mass shooting. Being gay myself, I cannot even imagine the heartache that the victims and their family are going through. We need to put aside politics, put aside this gun control nonsense and show love and compassion in the face of trial.

What I find regressive is that certain people used the incident as an opportunity to imply Christianity was at fault instead of waiting for the evidence to reveal it was a Muslim.

Welcome to the Bible Belt.

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Homophobia is not limited to the religious

Do you need the statistics again?

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... -morality/

Chances are 9 out of 10 Muslims will believe homosexuality is immoral. Don't be surprised some of them may even decide to act violently against homosexuality when over half of the Muslims in a developed Western country such as the one this incident happened in want to ban homosexuality.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf (page 14)

For the Islamophiles who immediately jumped in to shout BIBLE BELT, BIBLE BELT, that was an utterly erroneous and ill-informed assumption to be making. Statistically, a Christian in the U.S. may believe same-sex marriage shouldn't be legal. They aren't aiming to ban homosexuality like the majority of Muslims are. So no, it's not surprising that a violently homophobic religion such as Islam continuously ends up spawning hate crimes against LGBT people far more than any other religion can churn out such malice.

Rather conspicuously missing the figures for western Europe and the Americas, there Val.

Also "Islamophiles", lol.

[Rhyphix]

Get ready for Obama to once again say Islam is a religion of peace today.

[Herskerstad]

Prayers for the victims and their families.

The Western world must do more to combat the radicalized Muslim problem. We've fallen asleep.

We have no confirmation that this was an act of radicalization. Just because a Muslim does something bad doesn't mean it's because of there religion.

Maybe it's a lovers dispute.

You know what, I'll just let the mop up crew present the evidence for me on this one.

[Krazakistan]

Prayers for the victims and their families.

The Western world must do more to combat the radicalized Muslim problem. We've fallen asleep.

We have no confirmation that this was an act of radicalization. Just because a Muslim does something bad doesn't mean it's because of there religion.

It totally had nothing to do with his Afghan immigrant parents and that it was during the month of Ramadan. All a coincidence. Avert your eyes goyim, nothing to see here.

[Ohioan Territory]

Get ready for Obama to once again say Islam is a religion of peace today.

And Islam is actually the victim here.

[Imperializt Russia]

We have no confirmation that this was an act of radicalization. Just because a Muslim does something bad doesn't mean it's because of there religion.

It totally had nothing to do with his Afghan immigrant parents and that it was during the month of Ramadan. All a coincidence. Avert your eyes goyim, nothing to see here.

Demonstrate that it isn't.