Gay Nightclub Attacked in Orlando, FL

[Major-Tom]

:gasp:

Daesh encouraging and taking credits for fanboys. They explicitly claimed they planned Paris.

For the love of god Gauthier, ISIS was behind a plethora, a myriad of terrorist attacks. Does it seem so far fetched that Omar Mateen, someone who pledged allegiance to ISIS, might have planned this for a while, maybe during Ramadan?

[The Serbian Empire]

And Islam throws gays off buildings, runs them over with trucks, routinely executing them and other stuff.

And within the last 6 months two Transgenders have been killed by these "Christians".

It was much worse last year. But yeah, they're no friend of the LGBT population.

I see the confusion - I need to clarify my earlier post. The emphasis wasn't meant to be on the rifle facilitating the attack. It was on the firearm itself. Any firearm. I have no clue which one would be the most effective in massacring loads of people, but the fact that he was able to attain one cheaply and legally certainly did facilitate the attack.

Certainly. It's why I'm in favor of hard standards on handgun ownership.

I'm in favor of few restrictions on rifles and a heavy on handguns since one can carry many more handguns.

[Valaran]

Bombs are also harder to pull off than guns (given you can more easily acquire the latter in a legal fashion, and its ready made). Not necessarily much harder to pull off, but enough that its worth just taking the easier and legal option.

In which case... even if guns were illegal, he still had a viable and not that much more difficult alternative option?

mhm. But its one that requires more expertise and effort, which makes it a noticeably more tricky and complicated thing to pull off.

You'll need some knowledge, which is often what IS and other terror groups give people. But searching for such knowledge is more likely to be intercepted by the security complex the US has (this is normally precisely what they trawl through all that data for). Moreover, its not foolproof - several homemade bombs haven't worked before. Shooting someone is easier.

It also requires more commitment. Its often just small step between being willing to do something in theory and in practice, and not being willing to carry it out in practice. With a gun, he can simply drive to a place and shoot people. But making a bomb requires time and effort, allowing one more time to think about actions (this has actually been noted to stop would be terrorists in the past).

I'm not saying any of those is guaranteed to work. Far from it. But the point is to make it harder for someone carry a terror attack out, easier to be spotted when preparing to do so, and to increase the requisite level of effort and commitment required. Collectively, it does help. A good similar example would be airport security. Everyone knows it won't stop a lot of stuff. But its really there to force the terrorists to work just that much harder in slipping stuff past. This can either lead them to make unworkable bombs (as they are too small, or the mixtures aren't right), or for them to gain a greater level of expertise (which makes it more likely that intelligence agencies will pick up on them). It also goes some way to prevent other things, like hijacking and so forth. And it is likely to be at least a partial reason why terrorist attacks in planes have been replaced by other methods (exceptions, such as the Russian plane in Egypt, can be explained by the general security failings of that nation - its pretty shit). Such restrictions do have an impact, though never an absolute one.

I'm sure you believe strongly in gun rights. Apparently much of America does so as well, so its not likely that people wanting to shoot others won't have some method of access to weapons in future. And I'm not arguing against that. But I would say that a bomb is not nearly as easy a replacement for a gun, and espcially so for lone wolves, who don't have access to terrorist infrastructure and knowledge. It does make a difference.

[Eisarn-Ara]

Honestly, this whole things comes down to a Filthy Heathen like me eating popcorn and hedging bets on someone shouting DEUS lo VULT, AVE MARIA, DEUS INVICTUS! and dealing with this bullshit finally.

[Thermodolia]

What's so bad?!! He is literally saying that gays deserved this and that they should all be killed!!

Or perhaps he's saying the shooter got what he deserved, which was to be filled with lead.

That could be possible but Dan Patick does have a history of not so nice comments about the LGBT community.

[Xadufell]

And Islam throws gays off buildings, runs them over with trucks, routinely executing them and other stuff.

Including forcing sexual reassignment surgery or execution for effeminate gay men.

But remember, as long as the body counts aren't comparable it's okay to dismiss those.

The Christians are more subtle than the Muslims are with their violence by picking off people one at a time instead of mass murdering. The more the news story bleeds, the more it leads in the headlines.

Tell me then... How many gays have Christians killed nowadays? I'm sure there's an underground holocaust of gays by Christians. While Muslims openly kill gays and others and receive minimal backlash.

[Gauthier]

Daesh encouraging and taking credits for fanboys. They explicitly claimed they planned Paris.

For the love of god Gauthier, ISIS was behind a plethora, a myriad of terrorist attacks. Does it seem so far fetched that Omar Mateen, someone who pledged allegiance to ISIS, might have planned this for a while, maybe during Ramadan?

Still makes him a fanboy they want to take credit for just like the San Bernardino couple.

[Church of the Earth Mother]

Honestly, this whole things comes down to a Filthy Heathen like me eating popcorn and hedging bets on someone shouting DEUS VULT! and dealing with this bullshit finally.

Does that mean genocide?

[Conserative Morality]

For the love of god Gauthier, ISIS was behind a plethora, a myriad of terrorist attacks. Does it seem so far fetched that Omar Mateen, someone who pledged allegiance to ISIS, might have planned this for a while, maybe during Ramadan?

ISIS plays up its influence precisely in order to gain more influence. Don't encourage them.

[Major-Tom]

Or perhaps he's saying the shooter got what he deserved, which was to be filled with lead.

That could be possible but Dan Patick does have a history of not so nice comments about the LGBT community.

If he's referring to the LGBT community, he should resign immediately.

[The Black Forrest]

"You reap what you sow" is generally taken as a statement of "you got what you deserved".

Isn't it possible he was referring to the shooter who was killed by police?

He deleted it so who knows. They are claiming it was an automated setup.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

I see the confusion - I need to clarify my earlier post. The emphasis wasn't meant to be on the rifle facilitating the attack. It was on the firearm itself. Any firearm. I have no clue which one would be the most effective in massacring loads of people, but the fact that he was able to attain one cheaply and legally certainly did facilitate the attack.

Certainly. It's why I'm in favor of hard standards on handgun ownership.

British policies seem sensible to me. Ban the unnecessary ones (like handguns and assault rifles) and regulate the ones that have uses in sport, hunting and farming.

[Mega City 5]

Honestly, this whole things comes down to a Filthy Heathen like me eating popcorn and hedging bets on someone shouting DEUS lo VULT, AVE MARIA, DEUS INVICTUS! and dealing with this bullshit finally.

Actually.

We basically know which countries provide formal and material support for Islamic terrorism, no?

Saudia Arabia?
Pakistan?
Iran?

The US needs to bomb them all into the ground.

[Thermodolia]

That could be possible but Dan Patick does have a history of not so nice comments about the LGBT community.

If he's referring to the LGBT community, he should resign immediately.

You and I both know that won't happen.

[Imperializt Russia]

In the early 2000s, there was a major gun smuggling operation ongoing, as well as guns "walked off" as a direct result of the 1997 handgun ban. In this period, some soldiers were happily walking small arms off bases for cash too, and presumably some gear drifted from Norn Iron after the Good Friday Agreement cooled tensions there and militias started standing down.

but i thought

gun control

works perfectly

such edge

much ow

Gun violence increased. Gun crime increased because, no shit, more gun crimes were introduced. That's a technicality of statistics. If I make eating iced buns illegal tomorrow, iced bun crime goes up by infinity percent.
Gun violence was, and is, low.

My favourite statistic at the moment is if you remove all firearm homicides from the US homicides committed in 2011, then the breakdown of all other methods actually matches that of the UK's (even knife crime matches within a couple percent!).
And the per-capita homicide rate also comes down to match.

[New Tuva SSR]

According to CNN, this is now the deadliest attack on US soil since 9/11, with 50 dead and 53 injured.

[The balkens]

Certainly. It's why I'm in favor of hard standards on handgun ownership.

British policies seem sensible to me. Ban the unnecessary ones (like handguns and assault rifles) and regulate the ones that have uses in sport, hunting and farming.

No.

[Major-Tom]

For the love of god Gauthier, ISIS was behind a plethora, a myriad of terrorist attacks. Does it seem so far fetched that Omar Mateen, someone who pledged allegiance to ISIS, might have planned this for a while, maybe during Ramadan?

ISIS plays up its influence precisely in order to gain more influence. Don't encourage them.

Encouraging them is standing by every time a terrorist attack happens and saying "we stand united, we stand united against bigotry, against hatred....."

No, fuck that, okay, fuck that. At this point, we need action, even if it means radical anti terrorism action abroad. Bomb ISIS strongholds, drone strike their strongholds, arm the Kurds and not the Syrian rebels, help Russia with tactical airstrikes against ISIS.

What, you think if we get mad ISIS will somehow get more powerful? Do you think that if we sing kumbaya they will somehow dissipate like the Wicked Witch of the West when exposed to water? No, respond to force with equal or more powerful force.

[Gauthier]

Isn't it possible he was referring to the shooter who was killed by police?

He deleted it so who knows. They are claiming it was an automated setup.

If they automated "They Reap What They Sow" to trigger off mass LGBT deaths then it's not the automation to blame.

[Outer Sparta]

Honestly, this whole things comes down to a Filthy Heathen like me eating popcorn and hedging bets on someone shouting DEUS lo VULT, AVE MARIA, DEUS INVICTUS! and dealing with this bullshit finally.

Actually.

We basically know which countries provide formal and material support for Islamic terrorism, no?

Saudia Arabia?
Pakistan?
Iran?

The US needs to bomb them all into the ground.

Why? This idea to bomb those countries won't work at all.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

This is horrible.

That's all I can say.

But remember, as long as the body counts aren't comparable it's okay to dismiss those.

Unfortunately, a real and actual office holder in the United States thought it was appropriate to point out that no, in fact he does support doing those things in gay clubs:

Wow. Just wow.

[The Serbian Empire]

Including forcing sexual reassignment surgery or execution for effeminate gay men.


The Christians are more subtle than the Muslims are with their violence by picking off people one at a time instead of mass murdering. The more the news story bleeds, the more it leads in the headlines.

Tell me then... How many gays have Christians killed nowadays? I'm sure there's an underground holocaust of gays by Christians. While Muslims openly kill gays and others and receive minimal backlash.

In the West? Fewer than this radical did today in the last year.

[Mega City 5]

No.

I completely agree with this.

It's just silly for liberals to talk about gun control at this like this (and shame on them, for the record, for using a tragedy to push their own political agendas).

A gun didn't kill a bunch of people in a night club.

A muslim did.

[Unified Governments]

Or perhaps he's saying the shooter got what he deserved, which was to be filled with lead.

That could be possible but Dan Patick does have a history of not so nice comments about the LGBT community.

Sure, but why would he celebrate a terror attacks? If he's a die-hard conservative then he's no fan of ISIS.

[Occupied Deutschland]

I don't get it. What's so bad about that?

What's so bad?!! He is literally saying that gays deserved this and that they should all be killed!!

I mean, I actually considered it applying more to the shooter than his victims (IE: an endorsement of the death penalty which Texas is rather famous for).
That aside, the explanation for the tweet is quite believable. It was prescheduled and didn't account for or reference breaking news.