Gay Nightclub Attacked in Orlando, FL

[Imperializt Russia]

What's wrong with that?

The fact that I enjoy firearms. Don't get me wrong, I'm not up my own ass enough to say 'muh freedoms' or pretend I need to defend myself from a tyrannical government. I'm not a fan of people telling my I can't have my toys the way I like them.

I don't even agree with the UK ban on semi-automatic rifles.

We control guns.
It works.

The end.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

You're daft if you don't think owning a high-powered assault rifle hugely facilitated this attack.

You mean the high powered assault rifle he didn't have? He had an AR style "tactical" sporting rifle. It would have been no different if he had a Mini-14 one of the least criminally used weapons in America.

Do the distinctions even matter? I'm British and know fuck all about firearms (they're all high-powered as far as I'm concerned), but I do know that he managed to kill 50 people and injure an additional 50 using a fairly cheap and easily accessible one. As I understand it, he bought it legally as well, with little to no check-ups or cross-references. If that doesn't raise serious red flags about America's firearm policies, I don't know what will.

[Korva]

this doesn't happen in countries with lower gun ownership rates

Mass killings by Islamists don't happen in other countries?

[Christiaanistan]

How do you know he wasn't predisposed to terrorism? It certainly sounds like he was.

Because then it probably wouldn't have been "grr, men kissing!!! " that set him off.

Foam parties started in Ibiza, Spain, by the way. They're pretty wild. You go to one at a gay club, and the floor gets slick for reasons besides just the foam. If he saw one of those, he might have been a little put out.

[The Black Forrest]

They don't go all guns ablazing in a nightclub or commit suicide bombings for their hatred. But that's all I can say about Christians. They're still the ones shoving bathroom bills down transgender people's throats.

And transgender people are shoving the fact that they exist in Christians throats. In my opinion, if you're transgender than good for you! But I don't want you to parade that around.

They wouldn't have to if Christians simply ignored them.

[Xadufell]

They don't go all guns ablazing in a nightclub or commit suicide bombings for their hatred. But that's all I can say about Christians. They're still the ones shoving bathroom bills down transgender people's throats.

Oh there is still murder, fag bashing, even a case of dragging one behind a truck.

And Islam throws gays off buildings, runs them over with trucks, routinely executing them and other stuff.

[Imperializt Russia]

Because then it probably wouldn't have been "grr, men kissing!!! " that set him off.

It's fairly well known that many Muslims these days aren't fond of homophobia. Also, as has been noted, he committed this act on Ramadan.

While it could be an aggravating factor, that could be a coincidence.

Either he just saw two men kissing and it happened to be Ramadan, or because he saw two men kissing during Ramadan.
We'll never know.

[Trumpostan]

And guess who's started with the self-congratulatory bullcrap?

It's not bullcrap. He's right. And everyone who's not a leftist ideologue is going to recognize it in November.

Face it. The days of liberal hegemony over this country are numbered. We're tired of Islam. We're tired of political correctness. We're tired of illegals. We are just fed up.

And voters are going to make that known in about 6 months.

We're tired of GOP obstruction, racism and bigotry. And tired of the GOP pushing tax cuts for the rich. That is what you will see in 5 months time.

[Vassenor]

Oh, and brace for Sikhs and other Indian Americans being murdered by stupid fucks who realize Islam is Not a Race and focus on brown skin and turbans for shits and giggles.

Most Americans can actually tell the difference between arabs & sikhs, just y'know, letting you know that. Though, you'll probably try and refute it with your "All Americans are evil & stupid" narrative you've been pushing for years.

According to an academic study, people perceived to be Middle Eastern were as likely to be victims of hate crimes as followers of Islam during this time. The study also found a similar increase in hate crimes against people who may have been perceived as Muslims, Arabs, and others thought to be of Middle Eastern origin.[212] A report by the South Asian American advocacy group known as South Asian Americans Leading Together, documented media coverage of 645 bias incidents against Americans of South Asian or Middle Eastern descent between September 11 and 17. Various crimes such as vandalism, arson, assault, shootings, harassment, and threats in numerous places were documented.[213][214]

212. "Many minority groups were victims of hate crimes after 9-11" Ball State University. October 9, 2003

213. "American Backlash: Terrorist Bring War Home in More Ways Than One" (PDF). SAALT. 2003

214. Thayil, Jeet (October 12, 2001). "645 racial incidents reported in week after September 11". India Abroad.

[The Serbian Empire]

They don't go all guns ablazing in a nightclub or commit suicide bombings for their hatred. But that's all I can say about Christians. They're still the ones shoving bathroom bills down transgender people's throats.

Oh there is still murder, fag bashing, even a case of dragging one behind a truck.

They just aren't mass murdering like Islam does. The radicals within Christianity murder and legislate the LGBT community into fear. The more law abiding kinds just force legislation down the throats instead.

[Gauthier]

They don't go all guns ablazing in a nightclub or commit suicide bombings for their hatred. But that's all I can say about Christians. They're still the ones shoving bathroom bills down transgender people's throats.

Oh there is still murder, fag bashing, even a case of dragging one behind a truck.

But remember, as long as the body counts aren't comparable it's okay to dismiss those.

[The Black Forrest]

Oh there is still murder, fag bashing, even a case of dragging one behind a truck.

And Islam throws gays off buildings, runs them over with trucks, routinely executing them and other stuff.

And? Who said they didn't do bad things?

Point is Christianity has it faults as well.

[Imperializt Russia]

this doesn't happen in countries with lower gun ownership rates

Mass killings by Islamists don't happen in other countries?

As you very deliberately cut off from the quote, "or happens with such low frequency it's laughable".

Smuggled firearms also rather defeats the point. If you smuggle guns in, then of course they'll be used. It's how street gangs operate, it's how the IRA operated.

[Unified Governments]

It's fairly well known that many Muslims these days aren't fond of homophobia. Also, as has been noted, he committed this act on Ramadan.

While it could be an aggravating factor, that could be a coincidence.

Either he just saw two men kissing and it happened to be Ramadan, or because he saw two men kissing during Ramadan.
We'll never know.

Or we could probably know once all the facts are out. In fact, he did pledge allegiance to ISIS.

[Xadufell]

And transgender people are shoving the fact that they exist in Christians throats. In my opinion, if you're transgender than good for you! But I don't want you to parade that around.

They wouldn't have to if Christians simply ignored them.

Most were, similarly to the gay marriage thing. Why should gays care if they're not baked a cake by a CHRISTIAN bakery? Just go somewhere else for God's sake!

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

The fact that I enjoy firearms. Don't get me wrong, I'm not up my own ass enough to say 'muh freedoms' or pretend I need to defend myself from a tyrannical government. I'm not a fan of people telling my I can't have my toys the way I like them.

I don't even agree with the UK ban on semi-automatic rifles.

We control guns.
It works.

The end.

Yes, that is why gun crime in the UK increased in the early two-thousands. Trying to restrict firearm access might bring crime down in the long run after the initial spike that's seen in every heavily gun-controlled nation thus-far, but it's not going to stop mass shootings as Charles Whitman has already shown. Mass shootings are cultural anomalies primarily contained to the US.

[Korva]

Mass killings by Islamists don't happen in other countries?

As you very deliberately cut off from the quote, "or happens with such low frequency it's laughable".

Smuggled firearms also rather defeats the point. If you smuggle guns in, then of course they'll be used. It's how street gangs operate, it's how the IRA operated.

Mass killings by Islamists happen in the U.S. more frequently than in other nations?

[Luminesa]

And guess who's started with the self-congratulatory bullcrap?

It's not bullcrap. He's right. And everyone who's not a leftist ideologue is going to recognize it in November.

Face it. The days of liberal hegemony over this country are numbered. We're tired of Islam. We're tired of political correctness. We're tired of illegals. We are just fed up.

And voters are going to make that known in about 6 months.

You know what we're tired of? This man's pure utter lack of class and compassion.

He's using this tragedy to pump his campaign. A person has problems, when others expect this of them.

I'm a Republican, and I cannot bear to be in the room when he speaks. There are very few people I have that sort of reaction towards.

[Conserative Morality]

Do the distinctions even matter?

It matters insofar as emphasizing the nature of the rifle distracts from the real issue at hand (WHO gets guns, rather than what guns they get).

I'm British and know fuck all about firearms (they're all high-powered as far as I'm concerned), but I do know that he managed to kill 50 people and injure an additional 50 using a fairly cheap and easily accessible one. As I understand it, he bought it legally as well, with little to no check-ups or cross-references. If that doesn't raise serious red flags about America's firearm policies, I don't know what will.

Yeah, but he could've done the same with a rifle. As several other people have said, it probably would've been worse had he not had the bulkier, (comparitively) long-range rifle.

The type of weapon, unless you're really going to go off on semiautomatics altogether, doesn't matter in the situation. So no, the rifle did not 'facilitate' the attack.

[Rodrania]

They don't go all guns ablazing in a nightclub or commit suicide bombings for their hatred. But that's all I can say about Christians. They're still the ones shoving bathroom bills down transgender people's throats.

Oh there is still murder, fag bashing, even a case of dragging one behind a truck.

Currently, Christianity is still tame in comparison to Islam.

Sure, homophobia and other bigotry exists.

But you can't compare the number of crimes committed in the name of Christianity on the 21st century with the ones committed in the name of Islam.

[Mega City 5]

What exactly is the cut-off between "little brown" and white?

Would you have mistaken him for a white person of, say, British ancestry?

Afghans are Caucasians. Also what do you mean by "Brown name"?

"Omar marteen" is not a white name.

My real last name is actually Brown but somehow I don't think thats what you mean.

"Brown" is a word in the English language. "Omar" is not.

[The Black Forrest]

They wouldn't have to if Christians simply ignored them.

Most were, similarly to the gay marriage thing. Why should gays care if they're not baked a cake by a CHRISTIAN bakery? Just go somewhere else for God's sake!

Most don't.

You might want to look into the so "oppressing Christian laws on businesses"

But let's not go down that tangent in this thread. There was a long thread on that awhile ago.

[Unified Governments]

It's not bullcrap. He's right. And everyone who's not a leftist ideologue is going to recognize it in November.

Face it. The days of liberal hegemony over this country are numbered. We're tired of Islam. We're tired of political correctness. We're tired of illegals. We are just fed up.

And voters are going to make that known in about 6 months.

You know what we're tired of? This man's pure utter lack of class and compassion.

He's using this tragedy to pump his campaign. A person has problems, when others expect this of them.

I'm a Republican, and I cannot bear to be in the room when he speaks. There are very few people I have that sort of reaction towards.

I've gotten tired of him too. But the problem is he's right about certain things. Our government doesn't do enough to combat this.

[Maurepas]

Oh there is still murder, fag bashing, even a case of dragging one behind a truck.

But remember, as long as the body counts aren't comparable it's okay to dismiss those.

Unfortunately, a real and actual office holder in the United States thought it was appropriate to point out that no, in fact he does support doing those things in gay clubs:

[Thermodolia]

Oh there is still murder, fag bashing, even a case of dragging one behind a truck.

And Islam throws gays off buildings, runs them over with trucks, routinely executing them and other stuff.

And within the last 6 months two Transgenders have been killed by these "Christians".