Gay Nightclub Attacked in Orlando, FL

[Imperializt Russia]

If it would have made no difference, why do you bring it up?

Oh darling, I swear at this point you're not even following the line of discussion.

Oh, I think I am.

You're getting uppity over "high powered assault rifle" and eh, when I was as edgy as you I'd have been right up there with you until I realised it really didn't matter.
So you bring up the Mini-14, a weapon no different to an AR-15.

Of course I agree, I've made the point in the past and I stand by it.
But why bring it up? No-one's mentioned assault weapon bans of the dumb type that "ban" AR-15 and leave the functionally identical Mini-14 untouched.

He was able to acquire either. He was able to shoot a hundred people with either.
In most countries, this either doesn't happen at all or happens so laughably infrequently that we can say it "doesn't happen" and almost be literal.

The ease of availability of guns contributes to something, because this doesn't happen in countries with lower gun ownership rates. Gun culture is obviously the driving point though, since without it America wouldn't have so many guns.
Remember, guns aren't "banned" in the UK. Sure, handguns and semi-automatic rifles are, but so what? You can still buy any type of weapon that you want that conforms to those two qualifiers so long as the local bobby signs off on it, you demonstrate you can store it safely and you have a valid reason to own it - such as pest control, sport/target shooting or hunting.

What's wrong with that?

[Vassenor]

He's a little brown. He's definitely not white.

Plus he has a brown name. Just saying.

What the fuck is a brown name!!!?

Any name that is not unambiguously WASP.

[Barboneia]

The so called mocking is mainly due to they mentality of "Islam bad; Christianity good!"

Well compared to Islam, Christianity is relatively passive.

They're both shitty religions.

[The Lone Alliance]

Well... this is completely horrible.... Kind of speechless here...

[Thermodolia]

It appears he waited for ISIS to claim responsibility.

Which they still haven't actually done.

Actually they just did.

[Mega City 5]

What the fuck is a brown name!!!?

The dude's name is "Omar Mateen." That's certainly not a white European name.

[The balkens]

What the fuck is a brown name!!!?

Any name that is not unambiguously WASP.

Muh white privilege.

[Unified Governments]

The Boston Bombers didn't have guns. Guns aren't the only way to commit terrorist acts, and if this fellow couldn't get his hands on guns then he would have likely resorted to other means.

"I'm angry, I have a gun, let's put 2 and 2 together" is, while despicable and horrific, much more plausible than "I'm angry, let's assemble a bomb".

Your statement that he was predisposed to terrorism rather than simply angered to the point of using weapons he already owned to kill in a fit of rage is somewhat bizarre.

How do you know he wasn't predisposed to terrorism? It certainly sounds like he was.

[Valaran]

Oh, and brace for Sikhs and other Indian Americans being murdered by stupid fucks who realize Islam is Not a Race and focus on brown skin and turbans for shits and giggles.

Most Americans can actually tell the difference between arabs & sikhs, just y'know, letting you know that. Though, you'll probably try and refute it with your "All Americans are evil & stupid" narrative you've been pushing for years.

When Gauthier referred to those 'stupid fucks', he wasn't necessarily implying that this was most Americans. Even a tiny minority who will shoot up Sikhs is still a nasty and misinformed reaction.

[The Serbian Empire]

The so called mocking is mainly due to they mentality of "Islam bad; Christianity good!"

Well compared to Islam, Christianity is relatively passive.

They don't go all guns ablazing in a nightclub or commit suicide bombings for their hatred. But that's all I can say about Christians. They're still the ones shoving bathroom bills down transgender people's throats.

[Xadufell]

Well compared to Islam, Christianity is relatively passive.

They're both shitty religions.

Well fuck you too!

[Rodrania]

He's a little brown. He's definitely not white.

Plus he has a brown name. Just saying.

What the fuck is a brown name!!!?

Robert <- Something like this

[Thermodolia]

Oh, and brace for Sikhs and other Indian Americans being murdered by stupid fucks who realize Islam is Not a Race and focus on brown skin and turbans for shits and giggles.

Most Americans can actually tell the difference between arabs & sikhs, just y'know, letting you know that. Though, you'll probably try and refute it with your "All Americans are evil & stupid" narrative you've been pushing for years.

As an American, I can say that no we can not tell the difference.

[Imperializt Russia]

"I'm angry, I have a gun, let's put 2 and 2 together" is, while despicable and horrific, much more plausible than "I'm angry, let's assemble a bomb".

Your statement that he was predisposed to terrorism rather than simply angered to the point of using weapons he already owned to kill in a fit of rage is somewhat bizarre.

How do you know he wasn't predisposed to terrorism? It certainly sounds like he was.

Because then it probably wouldn't have been "grr, men kissing!!! " that set him off.

[Great Nilfgaard]

The guy wasn't even brown

He's a little brown. He's definitely not white.

Plus he has a brown name. Just saying.

What exactly is the cut-off between "little brown" and white?

Afghans are Caucasians. Also what do you mean by "Brown name"?


My real last name is actually Brown but somehow I don't think thats what you mean.

[Valaran]

He's a little brown. He's definitely not white.

Plus he has a brown name. Just saying.

What the fuck is a brown name!!!?

Monsieur le brun. Pretty unambiguously brown if you ask moi.

[Rodrania]

Well compared to Islam, Christianity is relatively passive.

They don't go all guns ablazing in a nightclub or commit suicide bombings for their hatred. But that's all I can say about Christians. They're still the ones shoving bathroom bills down transgender people's throats.

That's a bad example. You really can't compare bathroom bills with suicide bombings and shooting up nightclubs

[Patridam]

He's a little brown. He's definitely not white.

Plus he has a brown name. Just saying.

What the fuck is a brown name!!!?

Omar?

Guessing using a gun is a more visceral and bloodlust-satisfying experience than just waiting a distance away for something to happen after you've rigged a bomb, or dying before you can see the gays you despite die in the case of a suicide bomber.

Bombs are also harder to pull off than guns (given you can more easily acquire the latter in a legal fashion, and its ready made). Not necessarily much harder to pull off, but enough that its worth just taking the easier and legal option.

In which case... even if guns were illegal, he still had a viable and not that much more difficult alternative option?

[Church of the Earth Mother]

Any name that is not unambiguously WASP.

Muh white privilege.

...when someone says "brown names" and "brown people" need to be deported and banned from the country that would be a valid response now wouldn't it?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

What's wrong with that?

The fact that I enjoy firearms. Don't get me wrong, I'm not up my own ass enough to say 'muh freedoms' or pretend I need to defend myself from a tyrannical government. I'm not a fan of people telling my I can't have my toys the way I like them.

[Xadufell]

Well compared to Islam, Christianity is relatively passive.

They don't go all guns ablazing in a nightclub or commit suicide bombings for their hatred. But that's all I can say about Christians. They're still the ones shoving bathroom bills down transgender people's throats.

And transgender people are shoving the fact that they exist in Christians throats. In my opinion, if you're transgender than good for you! But I don't want you to parade that around.

[The Serbian Empire]

Most Americans can actually tell the difference between arabs & sikhs, just y'know, letting you know that. Thogh, you'll probably refute it with your "All Americans are evil & stupid" narrative you've been pushing for years.

Given that someone actually shot up a Sikh temple because he thought they were Muslim, it appears that not enough people do know the difference.

Yep, that's what happens with reactionary types.

[Eisarn-Ara]

What's wrong with that?

The biggest question of all here, is why that somebody like you; a brit of all people has so much of a reason to care so heavily about US laws, like, none of us really care about Englands ever increasing descent into Orwellians dystopiaville past mockery. So why the fuck have you always cared about it? You seem to legitimately get bent out of shape whenever something happens over here.

[The Black Forrest]

Well compared to Islam, Christianity is relatively passive.

They don't go all guns ablazing in a nightclub or commit suicide bombings for their hatred. But that's all I can say about Christians. They're still the ones shoving bathroom bills down transgender people's throats.

Oh there is still murder, fag bashing, even a case of dragging one behind a truck.

[Unified Governments]

How do you know he wasn't predisposed to terrorism? It certainly sounds like he was.

Because then it probably wouldn't have been "grr, men kissing!!! " that set him off.

It's fairly well known that many Muslims these days aren't fond of homophobia. Also, as has been noted, he committed this act on Ramadan.