Gay Nightclub Attacked in Orlando, FL

[Xadufell]

And guess who's started with the self-congratulatory bullcrap?

It's not bullcrap. He's right. And everyone who's not a leftist ideologue is going to recognize it in November.

Face it. The days of liberal hegemony over this country are numbered. We're tired of Islam. We're tired of political correctness. We're tired of illegals. We are just fed up.

And voters are going to make that known in about 6 months.

Wow! Trump said a thing! Let's all point and laugh because he actually turned out to be right in a lot of ways!

[Patridam]

Yeah, this was effectively terrorism. I mean, this is the same religious group that decided to chuck gays off of rooftops in the Middle East. So, all things considered, leave guns alone, an inanimate object made from aluminum & plastic didn't do jack. It would've been a bomb if not, well, let the moral authoritarians have their druthers for a short while more; past that, common sense will prevail, and people will have to quit defending that awful fucking religion.

If it "would've been a bomb", why didn't he use a bomb?
Why go for a gun massacre in the first place?

Guessing using a gun is a more visceral and bloodlust-satisfying experience than just waiting a distance away for something to happen after you've rigged a bomb, or dying before you can see the gays you despite die in the case of a suicide bomber.

[Bolando]

Congratulations to the owners of the club
You have made a right decision to make your property a gun free zone

[Conserative Morality]

I am surprised Trump is low key on this. Must of kicked the phone out his hands.

Or he's being more respectful than you give him credit for.

And guess who's started with the self-congratulatory bullcrap?

[Mega City 5]

The guy wasn't even brown

He's a little brown. He's definitely not white.

Plus he has a brown name. Just saying.

[Gauthier]

Ughhh... It's that GOP candidate that I don't dare say his name.

Hastur Voldemort?

[The Black Forrest]

Unlike some who rudely mock Christians and republicans because of this.

The so called mocking is mainly due to the mentality of "Islam bad; Christianity good!"

[Armed Citizens]

And guess who's started with the self-congratulatory bullcrap?

Wow that didn't take long. I thought he was going to wait for a little longer.

It appears he waited for ISIS to claim responsibility.

[Christiaanistan]

Actually, the ancient Greeks themselves were very cruel toward passive partners in gay sex, although it was considered sort of macho to be the more active partner. They didn't actually make any law against it because the social disgrace was the real repercussion associated with it. There were drawbacks to the Christians outlawing the behavior, but an odd benefit was that, if you were a young man, you were a little less likely to be sexually abused for someone else's amusement, which happened all the time in ancient Greece and Rome.

In fact, the closest modern equivalent to how the ancient pagans understood homosexuality is the Bacha Bazi tradition that remains popular in some parts of the Middle East. This is a behavior of established men taking on "dancing boys" who are often sexually abused. It is technically illegal, but the system of law-enforcement in these places is very weak. Gay youth are at higher risk of being sexually abused anywhere but especially in these places.

So really, I would say that the Christians changed how the matter was handled, but their behavior was really not more vicious. It was vicious in a different manner.

In rome, the worst that could happen to a passive partner (if you were of higher status to the penetration) was sniggers and insults. With the advent of Christianity with Theodosius and Justinian the punishment for all "gays" was burning

Eh, being raped was pretty bad in itself, and boys being sexually abused was pretty bad. The ancients were imperfect people, and they did have their moral faults, in spite of many mistakes by the Christians.

[Church of the Earth Mother]

Oh, and brace for Sikhs and other Indian Americans being murdered by stupid fucks who realize Islam is Not a Race and focus on brown skin and turbans for shits and giggles.

Lovely. Every fucker who calls for a crusade of one sort or another oughta be careful they specify who is and is not a Muslim.

[Valaran]

Guessing using a gun is a more visceral and bloodlust-satisfying experience than just waiting a distance away for something to happen after you've rigged a bomb, or dying before you can see the gays you despite die in the case of a suicide bomber.

Bombs are also harder to pull off than guns (given you can more easily acquire the latter in a legal fashion, and its ready made). Not necessarily much harder to pull off, but enough that its worth just taking the easier and legal option.

[The Serbian Empire]

A religion that still preaches death to the gays?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressiv ... rve-death/
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressiv ... -to-death/

Which one would that be?

I mean, with the exception of zen oriented far eastern religions ________ still advocates death for the gays is by and large an accurate statement.

Yep, Abrahamic religions are known for this. Buddhism and European paganism on the other hand aren't. But in the west, those are small players at largest.

[The Black Forrest]

Wow that didn't take long. I thought he was going to wait for a little longer.

It appears he waited for ISIS to claim responsibility.

Well he will be spouting off a great deal then; ISIS will take credit for just about anything.

[Ostroeuropa]

Or he's being more respectful than you give him credit for.

And guess who's started with the self-congratulatory bullcrap?

What's the problem?
He said he appreciates the congratulations but doesn't want them, and wants strength and vigilance.
Acknowledging congratulations isn't boasting, necessarily. It's him replying to his supporters.

[Vassenor]

Wow that didn't take long. I thought he was going to wait for a little longer.

It appears he waited for ISIS to claim responsibility.

Which they still haven't actually done.

[The Black Forrest]

If it "would've been a bomb", why didn't he use a bomb?
Why go for a gun massacre in the first place?

Guessing using a gun is a more visceral and bloodlust-satisfying experience than just waiting a distance away for something to happen after you've rigged a bomb, or dying before you can see the gays you despite die in the case of a suicide bomber.

Clubs tend to do bag searches.

[Gauthier]

It appears he waited for ISIS to claim responsibility.

Which they still haven't actually done.

Heard they praised the shooter which means they realize he was just another fanboy and not an actual operative.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

usa getting fed up of the left's senseless defence of radical islamic terrorism- don't be surprised come November to see:

President Trump.

It'll be a particularly cold day in hell if this little semi-conservative would vote for that loudmouthed rabble-rouser, thanks. He's only in it to drive votes to Clinton and divide the Republican party anyway, and I've been saying that for months now.

Ah well. Going to go fix lunch and abandon thread for a bit. Clearly, the facts that were stated that I looked up were either not interesting, or beside the point, or hey - who cares, we're fighting here!

Legal license to carry, security clearance and license also for the shooter, as a reminder. Laws - including gun laws - only work when people give a damn about the laws. Which the vast majority of gun owners already do, and comply with, and are not problematic in the least. Only takes one, as we've clearly seen here. No, it would not have necessarily made all the difference in the world had someone there been packing - you can't know that. Might it have helped? Depends entirely on the person carrying, their skill, and their ability to do so without escalating the situation further. No. Fucking. Idea. Yes he has an Islamic background. Yes he's been pissed off about gays. Father says no tie to religious stances, other sources claim otherwise, guess we'll wait and see. Also moderate to extreme views in Islam are not always what people like to paint them as, and it is all much more complex a situation than a lot of you would like to admit or recognize.

There ya go, summed, and done - at least for now. Want to check in later in the day and see what sort of updates, if any, have been made available. Keep it chilly, folks. Would hate to see anyone get in trouble just because this is a hot topic, with a lot of emotion behind it on all sides.

(No, again, this is not pretending to act with authority on the part of the poster. Any words or statements or inferences are made purely out of concern for fellow posters, and are mere suggestions based on 10+ years of experience on the site, and witnessing the types of behavior that tend to get one smacked with an infraction and official notice of rule-breaking. No assumption is made that any other poster will listen, needs to heed the exhortation of careful posting, nor is it any attempt to act under an appeal to popularity, assumed authority, or prior position.)

[The Serbian Empire]

Ughhh... It's that GOP candidate that I don't dare say his name.

Hastur Voldemort?

Let's say his name rhymes with Ronald Crump.

[Armed Citizens]

It appears he waited for ISIS to claim responsibility.

Well he will be spouting off a great deal then; ISIS will take credit for just about anything.

They've got a pretty good claim to this one, he did exactly what they encourage Americans to do and explained his motivations to 911 operators it appears.

[Eisarn-Ara]

Oh, and brace for Sikhs and other Indian Americans being murdered by stupid fucks who realize Islam is Not a Race and focus on brown skin and turbans for shits and giggles.

Most Americans can actually tell the difference between arabs & sikhs, just y'know, letting you know that. Though, you'll probably try and refute it with your "All Americans are evil & stupid" narrative you've been pushing for years.

[Xadufell]

Unlike some who rudely mock Christians and republicans because of this.

The so called mocking is mainly due to they mentality of "Islam bad; Christianity good!"

Well compared to Islam, Christianity is relatively passive.

[Thermodolia]

The guy wasn't even brown

He's a little brown. He's definitely not white.

Plus he has a brown name. Just saying.

What the fuck is a brown name!!!?

[Shaggai]

Oh, and brace for Sikhs and other Indian Americans being murdered by stupid fucks who realize Islam is Not a Race and focus on brown skin and turbans for shits and giggles.

Most Americans can actually tell the difference between arabs & sikhs, just y'know, letting you know that. Thogh, you'll probably refute it with your "All Americans are evil & stupid" narrative you've been pushing for years.

Given that someone actually shot up a Sikh temple because he thought they were Muslim, it appears that not enough people do know the difference.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Oh, and brace for Sikhs and other Indian Americans being murdered by stupid fucks who realize Islam is Not a Race and focus on brown skin and turbans for shits and giggles.

Most Americans can actually tell the difference between arabs & sikhs, just y'know, letting you know that. Though, you'll probably try and refute it with your "All Americans are evil & stupid" narrative you've been pushing for years.

He's actually going to post that one talk show (I forget if it was on conan or what) where they ask like 5 people and none of them know what a Sikh is.