Gay Nightclub Attacked in Orlando, FL

[Unified Governments]

Has it even come out yet whether he bought it legally or not?

It's been repeatedly stated that at least one of his firearms were legally acquired. He had a securities firearms licence.

Do you disagree that if it were harder to acquire a rifle and a handgun, it would be less likely he would have shot one hundred people in a nightclub because he thought gays were icky?

I don't much take issue with making terrorists not have guns. That being said, it isn't the only issue at play here.

[Elepis]

yes, it was legal

Source

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-36510172

[Conserative Morality]

How do you suggest we do that?
Cover up for rape gangs and such?
It's not workable.

Fuck no.

Do what the Finns have been doing.

Fucking educate new immigrants and accept them as part of society rather than isolating them into self-contained enclaves which encourage an echo chamber of thought from The Old Country.

[Unified Governments]

Source

CNN

Wow

[Philjia]

1) unlike us, Obama doesn't spend hours furtively waiting for CNN or CBS to identify what precise make and model the weapon is.
He will have been briefed, the person delivering that briefing will have used the phrase "assault rifle"

2) it kind of is a gun control issue.

Actually samo it's an Islam issue.

Just saying.

The fact a gun was sold to somebody who later went on a killing spree is an issue. As is the fact that somebody went on a killing spree. They are connected issues.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Was all of this just crap, or is it more fun to insult one another and wildly point fingers?

Just curious if it was something I said, or didn't say.Hard to tell sometimes, especially when it appears points get ignored. If there's nothing for me to discuss, fair 'nuff.

[Patridam]

Has it even come out yet whether he bought it legally or not?

It's been repeatedly stated that at least one of his firearms were legally acquired. He had a securities firearms licence.

Do you disagree that if it were harder to acquire a rifle and a handgun, it would be less likely he would have shot one hundred people in a nightclub because he thought gays were icky?

I'm going to bet the handgun was the one purchased legally.

This all wouldn't have been a damn problem if at least one of the club patrons had a carry firearm though.

[Elepis]

CNN

Wow

BBC

[Gauthier]

One probable Daesh fanboy shoots up a gay nightclub and all of a sudden we have a strokefest where people are moaning that they were right about all Muslims all along.

And you know there are evangelicals who are ironically expressing condolences towards LGBTs because they were conveniently victimized by Those Ebil Moozlemz.

I bet there are some wingnut fundamentalists out there somewhere kicking themselves that an Ebil Moozlem did what they only talked about and beat them to it.

Maybe, just maybe, not everybody only thinks of people as objects like you do....

I mean I think most Christians are sad that this happened, or at least not happy. I think you have a deep seated problem with Christians, and for that reason, you have a secret love for Islam, or just shitposting. Take your pick.

It was Muslims who pushed for the passing of Amendment 8 in California, I forgot.

[The Kievan People]

Westboro

never forget the victims of the westboro massacre!

[Imperializt Russia]

1) unlike us, Obama doesn't spend hours furtively waiting for CNN or CBS to identify what precise make and model the weapon is.
He will have been briefed, the person delivering that briefing will have used the phrase "assault rifle"

2) it kind of is a gun control issue.

Actually samo it's an Islam issue.

Just saying.

So because a Muslim did it, it therefore has no points of commonality to any mass shooting committed by a non-Muslim, ever.

Uh-huh.

[Galiantus VII]

If anything, Christianity is the most rainbow-covered religion on the planet.

Now, that is assuming you don't count secular humanists. We're a special case. That actually goes back to some really early philosophers. We're not regarded as a religious group, but that also sort of goes back to some really early philosophers. We're kind of a special case.

Christianity, though, is amazingly gay as a religion. Their messiah is portrayed as an asexual, effeminate man who loved little fluffy animals and had platonic friendships with women. St. Matthew was a flaming naturist who loved rainbows and flowers. Moreover, every country that embraces gay marriage is either majority Christian or historically dominated by the Christian religion, including the United Kingdom.

Eh, Christianity took a while to catch up with the secular humanists, but I won't judge them. They're not bad people. They're just slow.

then how come it is with Christianity in the 4th century that homosexual became taboo and then outlawed?

I am curious: when "Christians" outlawed homosexuality originally, did they tend to mass-murder the non-complaints or did they just throw them in prison?

[The Serbian Empire]

There was a man at the LA Pride parade with guns and explosives. It's more than one. We've got an entire cell on the loose.

Thankfully FBI says there is no connection to Orlando.

How can they link that up so quickly? I think they deserve a pay raise if this info is correct.

How do you suggest we do that?
Cover up for rape gangs and such?
It's not workable.

Fuck no.

Do what the Finns have been doing.

Fucking educate new immigrants and accept them as part of society rather than isolating them into self-contained enclaves which encourage an echo chamber of thought from The Old Country.

The problem is how do you let them integrate when many of them have no desire to do so?

[Vassenor]

Was all of this just crap, or is it more fun to insult one another and wildly point fingers?

Just curious if it was something I said, or didn't say.Hard to tell sometimes, especially when it appears points get ignored. If there's nothing for me to discuss, fair 'nuff.

People are far too set in their prejudices to accept that there can be nuance and variation in how Muslims interpret the Qu'ran.

[Unified Governments]

Wow

BBC

ABC

CBS

NBC

PBS

Are we just going to keep going down the list of news stations or are we going to start linking to sources?

This thread really is shit.

[Imperializt Russia]

It's been repeatedly stated that at least one of his firearms were legally acquired. He had a securities firearms licence.

Do you disagree that if it were harder to acquire a rifle and a handgun, it would be less likely he would have shot one hundred people in a nightclub because he thought gays were icky?

I'm going to bet the handgun was the one purchased legally.

This all wouldn't have been a damn problem if at least one of the club patrons had a carry firearm though.

What, so they can drunkenly return fire in a loud, dark, disorientating, enclosed space filled with hundreds of screaming, stampeding people?

Get fucking real.

[Patridam]

The only thing CNN confirmed was that he had gun licenses and purchased at least one firearm legally. I'm betting it was the handgun. They aren't outright banned like assault rifles are, but AR-15's are still pretty tough to get.

[Ostroeuropa]

How do you suggest we do that?
Cover up for rape gangs and such?
It's not workable.

Fuck no.

Do what the Finns have been doing.

Fucking educate new immigrants and accept them as part of society rather than isolating them into self-contained enclaves which encourage an echo chamber of thought from The Old Country.

I'm in favor, sure. But that doesn't deal with the enclaves, does it. They need to be broken up, forcibly. They won't dissolve on their own.
And i'm not in favor of any new muslim arrivals until the current ones are dealt with and integrated so we at least have a proof of concept.

The problem is that any action taken to assimilate the current Islamic community will inevitably be perceived as hostile to them.
Because it is. It would be us rocking up and saying "You are no longer allowed to do things your way, and we're here to force you to stop."

[Imperializt Russia]

It's been repeatedly stated that at least one of his firearms were legally acquired. He had a securities firearms licence.

Do you disagree that if it were harder to acquire a rifle and a handgun, it would be less likely he would have shot one hundred people in a nightclub because he thought gays were icky?

I don't much take issue with making terrorists not have guns. That being said, it isn't the only issue at play here.

You're damn right it's not, because until the moment he rocked up with his guns, he wasn't a terrorist. There were no grounds of political extremism to discount him from owning guns until then.

[Unified Governments]

Fuck no.

Do what the Finns have been doing.

Fucking educate new immigrants and accept them as part of society rather than isolating them into self-contained enclaves which encourage an echo chamber of thought from The Old Country.

I'm in favor, sure. But that doesn't deal with the enclaves, does it. They need to be broken up, forcibly. They won't dissolve on their own.
And i'm not in favor of any new muslim arrivals until the current ones are dealt with and integrated so we at least have a proof of concept.

The problem is that any action taken to assimilate the current Islamic community will inevitably be perceived as hostile to them.
Because it is. It would be us rocking up and saying "You are no longer allowed to do things your way, and we're here to force you to stop."

As much as I'm a fan of assimilation and pro-US (or in your case pro-UK) immigration policies, how exactly are you going to forcibly break up Muslim communities and then force them to assimilate?

[Ostroeuropa]

Thankfully FBI says there is no connection to Orlando.

How can they link that up so quickly? I think they deserve a pay raise if this info is correct.

Fuck no.

Do what the Finns have been doing.

Fucking educate new immigrants and accept them as part of society rather than isolating them into self-contained enclaves which encourage an echo chamber of thought from The Old Country.

The problem is how do you let them integrate when many of them have no desire to do so?

Break up the enclaves with a few laws. If necessary, by force if they wont obey those laws. Move muslims around the country and regulate where they can stay.
Try and isolate them so there's no Islamic community and deal with them as atomized individuals.

They can either be a basement dweller, or join the majority culture. Don't leave them the option of forming their own groups. Try and achieve minimum islamic density, so muslims are as far away from eachother as possible.

It's authoritarian, but its the only way I can see it working.

[The Serbian Empire]

The only thing CNN confirmed was that he had gun licenses and purchased at least one firearm legally. I'm betting it was the handgun. They aren't outright banned like assault rifles are, but AR-15's are still pretty tough to get.

You'd be surprised. If it's not full automatic, it's easy to get one of that model. The thing is they won't be cheap.

[Cerillium]

Was all of this just crap, or is it more fun to insult one another and wildly point fingers?

Just curious if it was something I said, or didn't say.Hard to tell sometimes, especially when it appears points get ignored. If there's nothing for me to discuss, fair 'nuff.

The thread is moving fast. I certainly missed your post.

But I don't disagree with the points made.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Actually samo it's an Islam issue.

Just saying.

So because a Muslim did it, it therefore has no points of commonality to any mass shooting committed by a non-Muslim, ever.

Uh-huh.

Oh right, I'm sorry. It was the righteous fervor of the fact that he had a weapon that made him go out and shoot 50 homosexuals, not the religion that still preaches 'death to the gays!' and is

Oh right, sorry. I forgot you're English.

[Unified Governments]

I don't much take issue with making terrorists not have guns. That being said, it isn't the only issue at play here.

You're damn right it's not, because until the moment he rocked up with his guns, he wasn't a terrorist. There were no grounds of political extremism to discount him from owning guns until then.

The Boston Bombers didn't have guns. Guns aren't the only way to commit terrorist acts, and if this fellow couldn't get his hands on guns then he would have likely resorted to other means.