Gay Nightclub Attacked in Orlando, FL

[Patrick OConner]

Or maybe you're the one lacking in any logic since you seem to think liking someone and denying them basic civil liberties aren't at all at odds with each other.

You mean like to right to bear arms? and the right to self defense?

[Conserative Morality]

I didn't say I was apathetic, I said I tolerate it. I don't support it but I am not anti it. If someone is reading an e-book, I am nto going to go to them and tell them what they're doing it wrong. I am just going to let it be.

So because you don't take action you think that means having a negative opinion of something doesn't mean you oppose it.

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And tolerating something, even with some disdain is also different from being anti it. Millions of people in the USA tolerate the president (with disdain), but they are not anti-Obama or whoever will be the president. They are just for the other side. You can be pro something without being anti the opposite

No, you really can't. You can't be pro-egalitarianism and not anti-racist. You can't be pro-socialism* and not anti-capitalism. If it has an opposite; not merely companions and bystanders, but an actual opposite, you can't be neutral on one side and prejudiced on the other.

*In the meaning of the term as worker ownership of the means of production

[Gauthier]

Just goes to show how people who think LGBTs are subhumans who should not be allowed to have the same marriage benefits and rights as straight people consider themselves enlightened just because they don't give in to their id and kill them like some unhinged Daesh fanboy did.

[Irona]

So is this guy IS or not? Diffrent news feeds are giving conflicting reports

what I am kind of understanding is that he is not affiliated with ISIS, but is acting in their name

So lone wolf, this is going to play straight into IS's hands. All the anti-muslim retoric and the inevitable escilation against ISIS is just going to fuel their campaign.

[Esternial]

Right. That's stupid.

Is the statement "our country has basic voting rights" true if women cannot vote? No?

Then why would the statement "our country has basic civil liberties" be true when the LGBT community doesn't have them?

It'd definitely make "The United States of America, land of the free" a sad joke.

For people so proud of their freedom, some would grant the people whose lifestyle they disapprove of very little.

[Geilinor]

Right. That's stupid.

Is the statement "our country has basic voting rights" true if women cannot vote? No?

Then why would the statement "our country has basic civil liberties" be true when the LGBT community doesn't have them?

So Australia and Germany lack basic civil liberties? There's, you know, a scale of civil liberties and some countries have liberties in some areas and don't in others.

[Ganos Lao]

Is the statement "our country has basic voting rights" true if women cannot vote? No?

Then why would the statement "our country has basic civil liberties" be true when the LGBT community doesn't have them?

It'd definitely make "The United States of America, land of the free" a sad joke.

For people so proud of their freedom, some would grant the people whose lifestyle they disapprove of very little.

Hasn't that always been a sad joke? Samuel Johnson once mused, after all, "How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?" and "Slavery is now no where more patiently endured, than in countries once inhabited by the zealots of liberty."

[Liriena]

You again, know nothing about what you speak. The most prominent clergy of every major denomination of Christianity support the kind treatment of homosexuals. Muslims are the only ones who commonly advocate treating "LGBT" as "subhuman shits."

Grade-A Bullshit.

There's something so... repulsive... about posters who have a long history of opposing LGBT+ rights, often with Christian doctrine as their excuse, going on to claim that Christianity totally loves us LGBT+ folk and would never ever treat us like this Muslim shooter has.

[Gauthier]

what I am kind of understanding is that he is not affiliated with ISIS, but is acting in their name

So lone wolf, this is going to play straight into IS's hands. All the anti-muslim retoric and the inevitable escilation against ISIS is just going to fuel their campaign.

Daesh encourages and praises fanboys acting out precisely because of reactionary attitudes that such things will generate like in this thread and others.

[Patrick OConner]

And tolerating something, even with some disdain is also different from being anti it. Millions of people in the USA tolerate the president (with disdain), but they are not anti-Obama or whoever will be the president. They are just for the other side. You can be pro something without being anti the opposite

No, you really can't. You can't be pro-egalitarianism and not anti-racist. You can't be pro-socialism* and not anti-capitalism. If it has an opposite; not merely companions and bystanders, but an actual opposite, you can't be neutral on one side and prejudiced on the other.

Key word there is tolerant. I do not like socailist but i do not go around shooting them. I do not like librals but i do not go around shooting them. I tolerate there existence. I think you need to make use of a dictionary.

[Zeinbrad]

And when another group rises up since we did nothing to fix the problem?

Leave US troops. It's the mistake that Obama made, withdrawing troops so that ISIS could rise. Had US troops been left there ISIS could have been destroyed before they took any territory.

So, be locked in endless war? That's your answer?

Thank god your not a general.

[Patrick OConner]

Grade-A Bullshit.

There's something so... repulsive... about posters who have a long history of opposing LGBT+ rights, often with Christian doctrine as their excuse, going on to claim that Christianity totally loves us LGBT+ folk and would never ever treat us like this Muslim shooter has.

Yeah because a Christian is a lot less likely lot less lilely to shoot you than a Muslim. Christain will just preach at you.

[Conserative Morality]

Key word there is tolerant. I do not like socailist but i do not go around shooting them. I do not like librals but i do not go around shooting them. I tolerate there existence. I think you need to make use of a dictionary.

You don't have to goddamn shoot someone to be against what they are or what they do.

[Dakini]

He's probably referring to the day they all stop opposing gay sex and marriage, which will be the day that Muslims are shooting up everyone who's LGBT through inspiration from Riyadh.

So not supporting gay sex and gay marriage makes you anti-gay?

Of course it does. Have you been living under a rock in a cave on Pluto?

[Rhodevus]

No, you really can't. You can't be pro-egalitarianism and not anti-racist. You can't be pro-socialism* and not anti-capitalism. If it has an opposite; not merely companions and bystanders, but an actual opposite, you can't be neutral on one side and prejudiced on the other.

Key word there is tolerant. I do not like socailist but i do not go around shooting them. I do not like librals but i do not go around shooting them. I tolerate there existence. I think you need to make use of a dictionary.

Strong point, but why the need for the insult?

[Godular]

The way I figure, it's like how I treat broccoli.

I can't STAND the stuff. Everything about it is positively disgusting. When I see people eating it, I can't even begin to fathom how they can stomach it. I ain't gonna swat a lump of broccoli out of someone's hands or shoot them if they eat it though. Their tastes are simply different than mine.

Why in the bloody hell does it even seem remotely right to anyone to murder other people because of a simple difference in tastes?

What kind of fucked up priorities are in place to justify that kind of depravity in their own minds, that the lives of those who don't behave like you are forfeit?

[Gauthier]

Key word there is tolerant. I do not like socailist but i do not go around shooting them. I do not like librals but i do not go around shooting them. I tolerate there existence. I think you need to make use of a dictionary.

You don't have to goddamn shoot someone to be against what they are or what they do.

I repeat...

Just goes to show how people who think LGBTs are subhumans who should not be allowed to have the same marriage benefits and rights as straight people consider themselves enlightened just because they don't give in to their id and kill them like some unhinged Daesh fanboy did.

[Scarlet Tides]

Got posters in here treating gay people as less than and at the same time lamenting that they were targeted for execution.

The fuck, get a fucking clue.

[Ratateague]

Grade-A Bullshit.

There's something so... repulsive... about posters who have a long history of opposing LGBT+ rights, often with Christian doctrine as their excuse, going on to claim that Christianity totally loves us LGBT+ folk and would never ever treat us like this Muslim shooter has.

Not only that, but claims to know their "way of living," which implies an inherent degeneracy. Oh, but he doesn't hate them. Just thinks the worst of them, that's all.

[United Territories and States]

I think people forgot the fact that he was mentally unstable.

[Gauthier]

Got posters in here treating gay people as less than and at the same time lamenting that they were targeted for execution.

The fuck, get a fucking clue.

Because the equation goes Sodomite Faggots > Ebil Moozlemz

[Rhodevus]

I think people forgot the fact that he was mentally unstable.

Is there a source for that?

[Camicon]

Is the statement "our country has basic voting rights" true if women cannot vote? No?

Then why would the statement "our country has basic civil liberties" be true when the LGBT community doesn't have them?

So Australia and Germany lack basic civil liberties? There's, you know, a scale of civil liberties and some countries have liberties in some areas and don't in others.

If Australia and Germany don't guarantee the same civil liberties for the LGBT community as they do for everyone else, then no.

[Gauthier]

I think people forgot the fact that he was mentally unstable.

Muslim shooters are ALWAYS of sound mind and body, silly.

[Geilinor]

http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/06/20-dead-after-shooting-at-orlando-nightclub-scott-headed-to-region-102758
The attacker was a known homophobe. According to his father, his son lost it after seeing a gay couple kissing. Such a depraved man.