Gay Nightclub Attacked in Orlando, FL

[Legionary United States]

Where were the law-abiding citizens with guns?

Well, the people at the bar were gay, gays are usually leftiests, leftists are anti-gun most of the time, so they probably wern't there.

[Conserative Morality]

Where were the law-abiding citizens with guns?

Well, the people at the bar were gay, gays are usually leftiests, leftists are anti-gun most of the time, so they probably wern't there.

JC Christ I need a drink.

[Heidisteinian Fempire]

Of course if this actually has the effect of genuinely and permanently changing evangelical outlook on LGBTs for the better it will also prove the Islamic Litmus Test right, in this case that treating LGBTs as subhuman shits suddenly became a vile, unconscionable thing the second a Muslim gunned them all down.

Lololololololol

You again, know nothing about what you speak. The most prominent clergy of every major denomination of Christianity support the kind treatment of homosexuals. Muslims are the only ones who commonly advocate treating "LGBT" as "subhuman shits."

Please stop pretending to be pro-lgbt.

You honestly don't care.

[Elepis]

how is it no Abrahamic? Abraham is a fucking prophet (as is Jesus)! It is just as Abrahamic as Judaism or Christianity.

Its like saying Christianity is not Abrahamic. Hate Islam all you want, don't deny facts

Friend, have you ever wondered why the iconography most often associated with islam is a crescent moon?
Mohammed's islam is a cobbled together fairytale stolen from everywhere he could. Now there are some hints islam is older than mohammed, which is cool and actually backs up an earlier statement I made.
Islam as mohammed made it is not Abrahamic in anything (and for Christians to see some sort of kinship in moslems is pure folly) and most certainly not a religion.

Abraham is a Prophet of Islam, Ishmail (Abraham's son) is a Prophet of Islam, Moses, is a prophet and Jesus is a prophet. The vast majority of things the other religions believe, Muslims believe.

I agree Islam is a fairytale, however I would say exactly the same about ALL religions so maybe this allows me to say that as Muslims believe in almost exactly the same stuff as Christians and Jews that it is Abrahamic. And your evidence against the word of 1.6 Billion believers and their holy book is that their symbol is a moon. You will have to do better than saying it is not Abrahamic because it uses the Moon and star symbol.

[Imperializt Russia]

Radicalisation is a direct result of "othering" of Muslims.
Noticed that it's first or second generation western native Muslims, often well-educated, who become radicalised and go to fight for IS, and al-Qaeda before them?

These are people who the west, normally would trip over for. Well-educated, probably professionals or hopeful professionals, in relatively affluent backgrounds... but because their skin is a little darker, or they worship a different god, for some reason, everyone's afraid of you. People come up to you in the street and start shit. You've not done anything, why would they do this to you?

This eventually spins a narrative of "the west really is out to get you" and then radicalisation happens and they slaughter prisoners and civilians in a far off land they've never even been to.

Jihadi John was radicalised partly due to being racially profiled, repeatedly, by the British security services.

Now, tell me what Trump is proposing.
That.

Everyone is "afraid" of them because they join the terrorist group.
Oh how I hate the "If you are mean to Muslims for committing terrorism you are just giving them more reason to do it" talking point

I'm sorry the truth hurts you.

[The New Sea Territory]

You again, know nothing about what you speak. The most prominent clergy of every major denomination of Christianity support the kind treatment of homosexuals. Muslims are the only ones who commonly advocate treating "LGBT" as "subhuman shits."

Grade-A Bullshit.

[Sasar De]

It's not a talking point.

Why would it ever be justified to be mean to someone for their identity?

Are you saying committing acts of terror are part of muslim identity? Because I said people would be "afraid" of muslims for committing acts of terror.

Why would I say that? The overwhelming majority of American Muslims do not believe terror attacks are justifiable.

[Ratateague]

Where were the law-abiding citizens with guns?

Well, the people at the bar were gay, gays are usually leftiests, leftists are anti-gun most of the time, so they probably wern't there.

Or, you know, the nightclub didn't allow people to bring in guns? Because it's a terrible liability?

[Ararat Mountain]

He didn't say ALL of Africa, or Africa for that matter, he even pointed to a town on the other side of the world.
We are not making racist assumptions here, you are.

So you don't have an answer for me.

What was your question?

[East Catalina]

Of course if this actually has the effect of genuinely and permanently changing evangelical outlook on LGBTs for the better it will also prove the Islamic Litmus Test right, in this case that treating LGBTs as subhuman shits suddenly became a vile, unconscionable thing the second a Muslim gunned them all down.

Lololololololol

You again, know nothing about what you speak. The most prominent clergy of every major denomination of Christianity support the kind treatment of homosexuals. Muslims are the only ones who commonly advocate treating "LGBT" as "subhuman shits."

He's probably referring to the day they all stop opposing gay sex and marriage, which will be the day that Muslims are shooting up everyone who's LGBT through inspiration from Riyadh.

[Conserative Morality]

What was your question?

This is a forum. You *can* reread posts, you know. It's pretty easy.

Right, so, out of curiosity, would you say that a perception that Africa is a place where people overwhelmingly live in mud huts and wear loincloths isn't racist?

[Stormopolis]

Friend, have you ever wondered why the iconography most often associated with islam is a crescent moon?
Mohammed's islam is a cobbled together fairytale stolen from everywhere he could. Now there are some hints islam is older than mohammed, which is cool and actually backs up an earlier statement I made.
Islam as mohammed made it is not Abrahamic in anything (and for Christians to see some sort of kinship in moslems is pure folly) and most certainly not a religion.

More anathema from thereligionofpeace, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Verses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah_as_Moon-god
The authenticity of the claims of islamophobes are false and based on shaky ground. Allah is a word derivative of "Elohim".

Not really. Simple observation and comparison. Tell you what, when I feel like it, I will write a short essay on it. You can quote me on that. Before this year is out, I will have it ready.

This also goes for Elepis and whomever else is curious what I have to say.

[Ararat Mountain]

Are you saying committing acts of terror are part of muslim identity? Because I said people would be "afraid" of muslims for committing acts of terror.

Why would I say that? The overwhelming majority of American Muslims do not believe terror attacks are justifiable.

But an overwhelming majority of non-American muslims do!

[Jumalariik]

Lololololololol

You again, know nothing about what you speak. The most prominent clergy of every major denomination of Christianity support the kind treatment of homosexuals. Muslims are the only ones who commonly advocate treating "LGBT" as "subhuman shits."

He's probably referring to the day they all stop opposing gay sex and marriage, which will be the day that Muslims are shooting up everyone who's LGBT through inspiration from Riyadh.

So not supporting gay sex and gay marriage makes you anti-gay?

[Ararat Mountain]

What was your question?

This is a forum. You *can* reread posts, you know. It's pretty easy.

Right, so, out of curiosity, would you say that a perception that Africa is a place where people overwhelmingly live in mud huts and wear loincloths isn't racist?

And here was my answer:

He didn't say ALL of Africa, or Africa for that matter, he even pointed to a town on the other side of the world.
We are not making racist assumptions here, you are.

[Camicon]

Why would I say that? The overwhelming majority of American Muslims do not believe terror attacks are justifiable.

But an overwhelming majority of non-American muslims do!

And do you have any sort of evidence whatsoever to back that assertion?

Trick question: you don't, because no such evidence exists.

[Arachaea]

I see people are still saying that all Muslims are like that.

The London mayor is a Muslim and he voted for same-sex marriage in 2013, so people who say all Muslims are like that don't know what they're talking about.

[Esternial]

Doesn't explain why it's a crescent moon. What does it have to do with fairy tales?

I was hoping for a nice factoid and all I'm getting is this...whatever.

after looking it up, I have the factoid for you!

The crescent moon has been around for many centuries before Islam and was used as a symbol for various empires, tribes and nations in the middle east, Persia and Central Asia. The symbol did not gain popularity in Islam until the Ottoman Empire in 1844, when it was used as their flag. Up until then, it was just used as a flag for Constantinople. The Ottoman empire brought the crescent star into islam to show that the christian city was not muslim (along with the name change to istanbul in the 1400s)

Finally, someone delivers INPUT.

NEED MORE INPUT.

[Conserative Morality]

So not supporting gay sex and gay marriage makes you anti-gay?

Not supporting equal rights makes you anti-gay, yes. It's funny how homophobes try to cover up their prejudices the same way racists do. "Some of my best friends are gay!" "Not all gay people, but some of those fags..." "Now, I'm not homophobic, but..."

[Threlizdun]

Also, over the past couple of years, I have tried not to curse on NS. However, I am going to make an exception for one presidential candidate who needs to go fuck himself.

Donald J. Trump, presumptive nominee of the GOP and notoriously nasty, thin-skinned conman and loudmouth... FUCK YOU and your immoral, narcissistic self-indulgence. This horror, this tragedy, is not yours to fellate your ego with. And shame on anyone who still supports you after this, you disgusting little creature.

I stand with Trump.

The man never backed down from this warning even when the whole nation was laughing in his face.

Mind you, I disagree on how he'd handle the issue. But his heart is in the right place.

No, his heart isn't in the right place for patting himself on the back after the death of 50 people, particularly when they are people he has spent the rest of his campaign victimizing. Not even half a day has passed and the man is using this as an opportunity to praise himself. That's disgusting. I don't care what your politics are. Anyone who does that is a monster.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

Of course if this actually has the effect of genuinely and permanently changing evangelical outlook on LGBTs for the better it will also prove the Islamic Litmus Test right, in this case that treating LGBTs as subhuman shits suddenly became a vile, unconscionable thing the second a Muslim gunned them all down.

Lololololololol

You again, know nothing about what you speak. The most prominent clergy of every major denomination of Christianity support the kind treatment of homosexuals. Muslims are the only ones who commonly advocate treating "LGBT" as "subhuman shits."

You mean like a prominent pastor who headlined a conference with three GOP candidates in the audience?

Pastor Kevin Swanson is taking a victory lap after his headline-making National Religious Liberties Conference in Iowa earlier this month. After hosting Republican presidential candidates Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee, and Bobby Jindal (who since left the race), the Colorado preacher who calls for gays who don’t repent to be sentenced to death went on radio to reflect on the “media firestorm” he created.

Generations Radio listeners heard Swanson declare that all the outrage over his remarks is proof that America is at war with God:

“Any time the nation has taken up a fight with the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, the Creator of the universe, you don’t pick a fight with the Creator of all of the galaxies, all of the planets, this entire solar system, you don’t pull together a couple of ants and lift a fist to the Almighty and think you can get away with it,” he said. “This is, I think, the reason why the media firestorm — we have touched the conscience of a nation and they realize they’re in trouble, they’re in trouble with the God of the universe.”

At his religious freedom conference, attended by some 1,700 people, Swanson announced that he believes that churches should have sackcloth and ashes at their entrances for Christian families whose “sons are rebelling, hanging out with homosexuals, and getting married, and their parents are invited. And I would sit in cow manure, and I would spread it all over my body.”

Listen below to Kevin Swamson’s rhetoric in which he claims “God blessed that conference in so many different ways,” courtesy of Right Wing Watch:

[Gauthier]

So not supporting gay sex and gay marriage makes you anti-gay?

Not supporting equal rights makes you anti-gay, yes. It's funny how homophobes try to cover up their prejudices the same way racists do. "Some of my best friends are gay!" "Not all gay people, but some of those fags..." "Now, I'm not homophobic, but..."

"I don't kill them like those Ebil Moozlemz do!"

[Heidisteinian Fempire]

He's probably referring to the day they all stop opposing gay sex and marriage, which will be the day that Muslims are shooting up everyone who's LGBT through inspiration from Riyadh.

So not supporting gay sex and gay marriage makes you anti-gay?

Yes.

This is the thought process of a alt-righter! Rather than just say they dislike something, they say something along the lines of "How is that homophobic?" or "How is that racist?", when what they said was obviously homophobic or racist.

[Ararat Mountain]

But an overwhelming majority of non-American muslims do!

And do you have any sort of evidence whatsoever to back that assertion?

Trick question: you don't, because no such evidence exists.

[Jumalariik]

Lololololololol

You again, know nothing about what you speak. The most prominent clergy of every major denomination of Christianity support the kind treatment of homosexuals. Muslims are the only ones who commonly advocate treating "LGBT" as "subhuman shits."

Please stop pretending to be pro-lgbt.

You honestly don't care.

?

I have the utmost compassion for LGBT people. That said, I do not inherently support the LGBT way of living.