Gay Nightclub Attacked in Orlando, FL

[Unified Governments]

Shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS.

First the San Bernandino and now this cockroach. We're totally safe from terror, right?

[The Serbian Empire]

Oh there is still murder, fag bashing, even a case of dragging one behind a truck.

And Islam throws gays off buildings, runs them over with trucks, routinely executing them and other stuff.

Including forcing sexual reassignment surgery or execution for effeminate gay men.

Oh there is still murder, fag bashing, even a case of dragging one behind a truck.

But remember, as long as the body counts aren't comparable it's okay to dismiss those.

The Christians are more subtle than the Muslims are with their violence by picking off people one at a time instead of mass murdering. The more the news story bleeds, the more it leads in the headlines.

[IsraelHoldsTheDoor]

REMEMBER.....
As long the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. Although there WILL be Islamic attacks..
United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. There will be MORE attacks at this level
This is happening in:
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. There will now be a level of fear from the natural population towards muslims This is occurring in:
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in: Almost DAILY attacks in this range
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
NIGERIA-- Muslim 42.8%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and ***ya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons. Then you have BOKO HARAM, ISIS..ect

[Mega City 5]

You know what we're tired of? This man's pure utter lack of class and compassion.

You call it lack of class and compassion. I call it an unfiltered and uncensored willingness to see things for what they are.

He's using this tragedy to pump his campaign.

Tragedies like this are what his campaign is based on. Fact is, America has tons of problems because of Mexicans, because of Muslims, because of brown people, etc.

And while the liberals want to have a massive hug fest and hand-wave the problem away, Trump wants to take action and fix things.

That's why I'm voting for him.

[Thermodolia]

But remember, as long as the body counts aren't comparable it's okay to dismiss those.

Unfortunately, a real and actual office holder in the United States thought it was appropriate to point out that no, in fact he does support doing those things in gay clubs:

Good god!!!

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Do the distinctions even matter?

It matters insofar as emphasizing the nature of the rifle distracts from the real issue at hand (WHO gets guns, rather than what guns they get).

I'm British and know fuck all about firearms (they're all high-powered as far as I'm concerned), but I do know that he managed to kill 50 people and injure an additional 50 using a fairly cheap and easily accessible one. As I understand it, he bought it legally as well, with little to no check-ups or cross-references. If that doesn't raise serious red flags about America's firearm policies, I don't know what will.

Yeah, but he could've done the same with a rifle. As several other people have said, it probably would've been worse had he not had the bulkier, (comparitively) long-range rifle.

The type of weapon, unless you're really going to go off on semiautomatics altogether, doesn't matter in the situation. So no, the rifle did not 'facilitate' the attack.

I see the confusion - I need to clarify my earlier post. The emphasis wasn't meant to be on the rifle facilitating the attack. It was on the firearm itself. Any firearm. I have no clue which one would be the most effective in massacring loads of people, but the fact that he was able to attain one cheaply and legally certainly did facilitate the attack.

[Giovenith]

Absolutely terrible. Fifty people - this should not have happened, but I really hope it does serve as a damn rude wake-up call to the people who are still complaining about how "it's teh gays that are the real oppressors trying to make everyone accept them." It's hard to put into words just how much it blows my fucking mind that these are the responses that human beings will take when faced with the reality of people who like people of the same sex instead of the opposite. Just jesus christ. An absolute waste of human life over something that just doesn't fucking matter. Why? Why is this the kind of shit that enters our minds? We could be feeding one another and traveling to Mars, but no, instead we're shooting one another over what amounts to little more than "cooties" blown up to a cosmological scale. My god.


As for the whole Muslim question...

Look: Nobody is saying that terrorists shouldn't be reviled. Nobody is saying that radical Islam is not a problem we should be addressing. Nobody is saying that Islamic beliefs cannot be criticized nor that its growing number of radicals isn't a concern, especially if members are coming from Western countries. Nobody is saying that we should deny the fact that the religion of Islam is clearly playing a role in the conversion and convincing of people into atrocities.

What people are saying is that you cannot use these things as an excuse to see two teenage girls in hijabs at an ice cream parlor, march up to them, and start bitching them out about how their faith is evil, and Muslims kill people, and why don't they do something about it or forsake Islam, and that they must support this, and that they also must be terrorists or at least wife-beaten mindslaves to the terrorist agenda, etc., etc. You are not sticking one to ISIS by cornering Ali and his girlfriend Tina in a club and demanding to know if he plans to put her in a burqa. Crazy assholes chopping people's heads off or committing crimes like this is not an excuse to start taking out your fear and frustration on Ahmed el-Amin from Home Depot over here who was born in Chicago and takes God about as seriously as your average smalltown 12 year old girl. "God is special and good and made us and yeah. I have a prayer book my grandma bought me, I think, somewhere. Yay God!" There is no righteousness in blind social catharsis. You will never be doing the victims of injustice any favors by witch hunting scapegoats with superficial similarities to their killers in their memory - I thought this would have been a lesson humanity got by now, but apparently not.

I really don't give a shit what their books say, for Christians or Muslims, as long as they're good enough people to ignore that horror and get along nicely with everyone. Whether or not that makes them "true believers" is really none of my concern, they're not causing trouble, that's what matters. A cherrypicking religious person may be annoying from an intellectual perspective, but I'd rather have a cherrypicker who "lies" to themselves about such faiths than one who plays it out to the letter. Those who do act upon such passages though are people that we should all be banding together to punish and put in place, not as members or enemies of a faith, but as human beings who understand and value a free society. I see no value in alienating potential allies in that cause out of sheer misplaced anger and heartache. At best, you are becoming the monsters that you fight. At worst, you're creating new reasons for people to see things from the monsters' point of view and go to the dark side.

[Unified Governments]

But remember, as long as the body counts aren't comparable it's okay to dismiss those.

Unfortunately, a real and actual office holder in the United States thought it was appropriate to point out that no, in fact he does support doing those things in gay clubs:

I don't get it. What's so bad about that?

[The balkens]

Shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS.

First the San Bernandino and now this cockroach. We're totally safe from terror, right?

Still not a radical muslim guise.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS.

:gasp:

[Vassenor]

Unfortunately, a real and actual office holder in the United States thought it was appropriate to point out that no, in fact he does support doing those things in gay clubs:

I don't get it. What's so bad about that?

"You reap what you sow" is generally taken as a statement of "you got what you deserved".

[Gauthier]

But remember, as long as the body counts aren't comparable it's okay to dismiss those.

Unfortunately, a real and actual office holder in the United States thought it was appropriate to point out that no, in fact he does support doing those things in gay clubs:

At least he wasn't disingenuously crying outrage over LGBTs being victimized by Those Ebil Moozlemz, that much I'll give him.

[Conserative Morality]

I see the confusion - I need to clarify my earlier post. The emphasis wasn't meant to be on the rifle facilitating the attack. It was on the firearm itself. Any firearm. I have no clue which one would be the most effective in massacring loads of people, but the fact that he was able to attain one cheaply and legally certainly did facilitate the attack.

Certainly. It's why I'm in favor of hard standards on handgun ownership.

[Gauthier]

Shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS.

:gasp:

Daesh encouraging and taking credits for fanboys. They explicitly claimed they planned Paris.

[Imperializt Russia]

I don't even agree with the UK ban on semi-automatic rifles.

We control guns.
It works.

The end.

Yes, that is why gun crime in the UK increased in the early two-thousands. Trying to restrict firearm access might bring crime down in the long run after the initial spike that's seen in every heavily gun-controlled nation thus-far, but it's not going to stop mass shootings as Charles Whitman has already shown. Mass shootings are cultural anomalies primarily contained to the US.

In the early 2000s, there was a major gun smuggling operation ongoing, as well as guns "walked off" as a direct result of the 1997 handgun ban. In this period, some soldiers were happily walking small arms off bases for cash too, and presumably some gear drifted from Norn Iron after the Good Friday Agreement cooled tensions there and militias started standing down.

These were eventually stamped out, though their effect, through the guns they already put into the system, lingers.

As you very deliberately cut off from the quote, "or happens with such low frequency it's laughable".

Smuggled firearms also rather defeats the point. If you smuggle guns in, then of course they'll be used. It's how street gangs operate, it's how the IRA operated.

Mass killings by Islamists happen in the U.S. more frequently than in other nations?

If you're going to leave it as hilariously unqualified as that to try make a snide point, then yes. Thank September 11 for that.

[Herskerstad]

Not a thread for Christian conspiracies. Short of said conspiracies linking into this mass murder then they can have no imaginable benefit to this thread. Or to a rational mind for that matter.

[Xadufell]

You know what we're tired of? This man's pure utter lack of class and compassion.

He's using this tragedy to pump his campaign. A person has problems, when others expect this of them.

I'm a Republican, and I cannot bear to be in the room when he speaks. There are very few people I have that sort of reaction towards.

I've gotten tired of him too. But the problem is he's right about certain things. Our government doesn't do enough to combat this.

I think Trump's lack of compassion is a testament to how being nice doesn't get you much nowadays. The only way to stop this terrorism is to put your foot down on their necks until they die, not pamper and appease them.

[Major-Tom]

If I keep saying Moderate Islam, then I can dispel legitimate concerns about Islam. If I keep saying Moderate Islam, then I can dispel legitimate concerns about Islam. If I keep calling people bigots, then I can dispel legitimate concerns about Islam.

That's become like half of this thread, you know who you are, guys.

[Thermodolia]

Unfortunately, a real and actual office holder in the United States thought it was appropriate to point out that no, in fact he does support doing those things in gay clubs:

I don't get it. What's so bad about that?

What's so bad?!! He is literally saying that gays deserved this and that they should all be killed!!

[Unified Governments]

I don't get it. What's so bad about that?

"You reap what you sow" is generally taken as a statement of "you got what you deserved".

Isn't it possible he was referring to the shooter who was killed by police?

[Christiaanistan]

Well, the only people I really trust in the long-term are the secular humanists. They have a lot to be proud of. The secular humanists have been at the forefront of all major advancements in human rights over the few centuries, and we have always contributed to our cultures disproportionately to our presence in those cultures. One of the very developers of the American education system was a positivist named John Dewey, for instance, and the man who actually penned the draft of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was a secular humanist.

I really like to think of the positive aspect of the equation. Secular humanists have really helped with some of the most fundamental landmark contributions in human society.

On the other hand, I don't think we get anywhere by complaining about religious people. Over the past century, we have managed to win over the Christians on many important aspects of secular philosophy, and while they might not understand or agree with our logical positivist philosophy, what they have no problem with is the fact that our ideas on keeping the social peace have helped make the world a safer place to raise their families.

I am glad that more Christians are starting to recognize this sort of thing, and I hope that the future can be one of greater toleration and understanding.

[Church of the Earth Mother]

Absolutely terrible. Fifty people - this should not have happened, but I really hope it does serve as a damn rude wake-up call to the people who are still complaining about how "it's teh gays that are the real oppressors trying to make everyone accept them." It's hard to put into words just how much it blows my fucking mind that these are the responses that human beings will take when faced with the reality of people who like people of the same sex instead of the opposite. Just jesus christ. An absolute waste of human life over something that just doesn't fucking matter. Why? Why is this the kind of shit that enters our minds? We could be feeding one another and traveling to Mars, but no, instead we're shooting one another over what amounts to little more than "cooties" blown up to a cosmological scale. My god.


As for the whole Muslim question...

Look: Nobody is saying that terrorists shouldn't be reviled. Nobody is saying that radical Islam is not a problem we should be addressing. Nobody is saying that Islamic beliefs cannot be criticized nor that its growing number of radicals isn't a concern, especially if members are coming from Western countries. Nobody is saying that we should deny the fact that the religion of Islam is clearly playing a role in the conversion and convincing of people into atrocities.

What people are saying is that you cannot use these things as an excuse to see two teenage girls in hijabs at an ice cream parlor, march up to them, and start bitching them out about how their faith is evil, and Muslims kill people, and why don't they do something about it or forsake Islam, and that they must support this, and that they also must be terrorists or at least wife-beaten mindslaves to the terrorist agenda, etc., etc. You are not sticking one to ISIS by cornering Ali and his girlfriend Tina in a club and demanding to know if he plans to put her in a burqa. Crazy assholes chopping people's heads off or committing crimes like this is not an excuse to start taking out your fear and frustration on Ahmed el-Amin from Home Depot over here who was born in Chicago and takes God about as seriously as your average smalltown 12 year old girl. "God is special and good and made us and yeah. I have a prayer book my grandma bought me, I think, somewhere. Yay God!" There is no righteousness in blind social catharsis. You will never be doing the victims of injustice any favors by witch hunting scapegoats with superficial similarities to their killers in their memory - I thought this would have been a lesson humanity got by now, but apparently not.

I really don't give a shit what their books say, for Christians or Muslims, as long as they're good enough people to ignore that horror and get along nicely with everyone. Whether or not that makes them "true believers" is really none of my concern, they're not causing trouble, that's what matters. A cherrypicking religious person may be annoying from an intellectual perspective, but I'd rather have a cherrypicker who "lies" to themselves about such faiths than one who plays it out to the letter. Those who do act upon such passages though are people that we should all be banding together to punish and put in place, not as members or enemies of a faith, but as human beings who understand and value a free society. I see no value in alienating potential allies in that cause out of sheer misplaced anger and heartache. At best, you are becoming the monsters that you fight. At worst, you're creating new reasons for people to see things from the monsters' point of view and go to the dark side.

*cries tears of joy*
I don't know how you do it.

Shooter pledged allegiance to ISIS.

First the San Bernandino and now this cockroach. We're totally safe from terror, right?

Still not a radical muslim guise.

When did anyone say otherwise?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Yes, that is why gun crime in the UK increased in the early two-thousands. Trying to restrict firearm access might bring crime down in the long run after the initial spike that's seen in every heavily gun-controlled nation thus-far, but it's not going to stop mass shootings as Charles Whitman has already shown. Mass shootings are cultural anomalies primarily contained to the US.

In the early 2000s, there was a major gun smuggling operation ongoing, as well as guns "walked off" as a direct result of the 1997 handgun ban. In this period, some soldiers were happily walking small arms off bases for cash too, and presumably some gear drifted from Norn Iron after the Good Friday Agreement cooled tensions there and militias started standing down.

but i thought

gun control

works perfectly

[Unified Governments]

I don't get it. What's so bad about that?

What's so bad?!! He is literally saying that gays deserved this and that they should all be killed!!

Or perhaps he's saying the shooter got what he deserved, which was to be filled with lead.

[Mega City 5]

I think Trump's lack of compassion is a testament to how being nice doesn't get you much nowadays. The only way to stop this terrorism is to put your foot down on their necks until they die, not pamper and appease them.

Until we get rid of all Muslims, there will be a danger of Islamic terrorism. Mohammad himself was the first jihadist.

It may not be true that all persons who call themselves Muslims actually want to do us harm.

Their religion, however, inherently lends itself to violent interpretation.

Islam is not a religion of peace.