Freedom of speech disappearing?

[Arana]

That is depressing. Can I just point out that the ACLU isn't exactly known for it's unbias, just as Fox news isn't know for it's unbias. And I say this as a Brit

Sure, you can point it out, but I am of the mind that saying a private institution like the ACLU or Fox News is biased is kind of pointless. Of course they are biased. How could they not be biased? The BBC goes out of its way to be unbiased, and they still have a bias.

Everything is biased. Everyone leans one way or the other, and anything they do or say reflects that in one way or another.

[Minzerland]

You need to start fighting back, defend yourself. You won't be alone I can promise you that.

Remember, it's OK to assault people of they express left wing views.

I wasn't aware that self-defence was assault.

[Annorax]

You need to start fighting back, defend yourself. You won't be alone I can promise you that.

Remember, it's OK to assault people of they express left wing views.

No I didn't say that. It's ok to defend yourself if someone gets into a physical altercation with you though.

[Arana]

Remember, it's OK to assault people of they express left wing views.

I wasn't aware that self-defence was assault.

He's not arguing for self defence. He's arguing for retaliation, which is an entirely different thing.

If you punch me, self defense is blocking the punch. Retaliation is punching you a few days later.

[United Isles of the Commonwealth]

Remember, it's OK to assault people of they express left wing views.

I wasn't aware that self-defence was assault.

I both do Ju-jitsu and Army Cadets. However, I would only use it if absolutely necessary. I have a knack for not escalating situatons. With possible exception of my brother

[Aelex]

I do have a right to do that, actually. And whoever planned the event has every right to never allow me back in whatever place it was again. And probably to drag me kicking and screaming out.

No. You really don't. There is no "Right to be a douchebag" wrote in any constitution.

I'm pretty sure Nazis did not invent stealing podiums or shouting at someone until they shut up. I'm also pretty sure they've never had a monopoly, or some sort of copyright on it.

Sure, they didn't invented it. However, they and their Sturmabteilung were particularly famous for their over-use of it and that's why when people systemically try to do the same thing as them, they're justly compared to them.

[Minzerland]

I feel sorry for the position the U.S has gotten itself in, Hillary, Trump or Bernie.

Or Johnson, or Stein, or that socialist lady.

You can always hand the country over to Trudeau, I guess

I'll Never give Trudeau anything.

[Arana]

I do have a right to do that, actually. And whoever planned the event has every right to never allow me back in whatever place it was again. And probably to drag me kicking and screaming out.

No. You really don't. There is no "Right to be a douchebag" wrote in any constitution.

I'm pretty sure Nazis did not invent stealing podiums or shouting at someone until they shut up. I'm also pretty sure they've never had a monopoly, or some sort of copyright on it.

Sure, they didn't invented it. However, they and their Sturmabteilung were particularly famous for their over-use of it and that's why when people systemically try to do the same thing as them, they're justly compared to them.

There is, actually, although not worded specifically. There's also no written right to own a car, or to brush your teeth, or to be named Jim.

But, any right that is not explicitly given to the national government is left to either the states or the people. So I do, in fact, have the right to be a douchebag, if I so choose, provided I act within the law.

[Arana]

Or Johnson, or Stein, or that socialist lady.

You can always hand the country over to Trudeau, I guess

I'll Never give Trudeau anything.

I'll give him my heart <3

[Labor Syndicates]

No. You really don't. There is no "Right to be a douchebag" wrote in any constitution.


Sure, they didn't invented it. However, they and their Sturmabteilung were particularly famous for their over-use of it and that's why when people systemically try to do the same thing as them, they're justly compared to them.

There is, actually, although not worded specifically. There's also no written right to own a car, or to brush your teeth, or to be named Jim.

But, any right that is not explicitly given to the national government is left to either the states or the people. So I do, in fact, have the right to be a douchebag, if I so choose, provided I act within the law.

Not to mention "freedom of speech" sort of implies "freedom to be a douchebag" in terms of what you say and do.

[Liriena]

I do have a right to do that, actually. And whoever planned the event has every right to never allow me back in whatever place it was again. And probably to drag me kicking and screaming out.

No. You really don't. There is no "Right to be a douchebag" wrote in any constitution.

I'm pretty sure Nazis did not invent stealing podiums or shouting at someone until they shut up. I'm also pretty sure they've never had a monopoly, or some sort of copyright on it.

Sure, they didn't invented it. However, they and their Sturmabteilung were particularly famous for their over-use of it and that's why when people systemically try to do the same thing as them, they're justly compared to them.

Alrighty then.

[Liriena]

I'll Never give Trudeau anything.

I'll give him my heart <3

He is quite dreamy.

[Annorax]

Not to mention "freedom of speech" sort of implies "freedom to be a douchebag" in terms of what you say and do.

Correct. Someone also has the right to be a racist, bigot or anything else uncouth.

[United Isles of the Commonwealth]

No. You really don't. There is no "Right to be a douchebag" wrote in any constitution.


Sure, they didn't invented it. However, they and their Sturmabteilung were particularly famous for their over-use of it and that's why when people systemically try to do the same thing as them, they're justly compared to them.

There is, actually, although not worded specifically. There's also no written right to own a car, or to brush your teeth, or to be named Jim.

But, any right that is not explicitly given to the national government is left to either the states or the people. So I do, in fact, have the right to be a douchebag, if I so choose, provided I act within the law.

Try convincing your teacher/professor/boss that.

[Labor Syndicates]

Not to mention "freedom of speech" sort of implies "freedom to be a douchebag" in terms of what you say and do.

Correct. Someone also has the right to be a racist, bigot or anything else uncouth.

Yes, they do. And someone also has a right to call them a racist or a bigot, funnily enough.

[Arana]

Not to mention "freedom of speech" sort of implies "freedom to be a douchebag" in terms of what you say and do.

Correct. Someone also has the right to be a racist, bigot or anything else uncouth.

And somebody has the right to call you those things, and to protest you being them.

[Jumhuriyah Hindustan]

Blah blah blah

Says the fascist.

[Vassenor]

Not to mention "freedom of speech" sort of implies "freedom to be a douchebag" in terms of what you say and do.

Correct. Someone also has the right to be a racist, bigot or anything else uncouth.

And we have the right to call them out for it.

[Minzerland]

I wasn't aware that self-defence was assault.

He's not arguing for self defence. He's arguing for retaliation, which is an entirely different thing.

If you punch me, self defense is blocking the punch. Retaliation is punching you a few days later.

Disregard my prior points on self defence, I was thinking of American self defence laws, not English law, my mistake.

[Minzerland]

I'll Never give Trudeau anything.

I'll give him my heart <3

If that's your shtick...

[Labor Syndicates]

He's not arguing for self defence. He's arguing for retaliation, which is an entirely different thing.

If you punch me, self defense is blocking the punch. Retaliation is punching you a few days later.

Disregard my prior points on self defence, I was thinking of American self defence laws, not English law, my mistake.

Even in American legal systems, I don't think "I punched the leftist because I heard stories about leftists punching rightists." holds up as a self-defense argument. Even "I punched Mr. Left because Mr. Progressive (an entirely different person) punched me." would hold up about as well as "I assaulted this guy named Jim because yesterday a different guy named Jim attacked me."

[Annorax]

Correct. Someone also has the right to be a racist, bigot or anything else uncouth.

And somebody has the right to call you those things, and to protest you being them.

Well there is where I think we disagree somewhat. You can protest someone being a racist to a point. If it is a private gathering and a protestor is told to leave then they must leave or if done in public it cannot get violent. Other than that yeah, protest away, it is a constitutionally protected right at least in America.

[Arana]

I'll give him my heart <3

If that's your shtick...

I'm not even gay, but if Justin Trudeau wanted to date me, I don't know that I'd be able to say no...

[Arana]

And somebody has the right to call you those things, and to protest you being them.

Well there is where I think we disagree somewhat. You can protest someone being a racist to a point. If it is a private gathering and a protestor is told to leave then they must leave or if done in public it cannot get violent. Other than that yeah, protest away, it is a constitutionally protected right at least in America.

Well it hasn't gotten violent. I don't know where you're seeing violence... aggression, certainly, but not violence.

[Aelex]

And we have the right to call them out for it.

But that right don't include storming podiums, threatening speakers or yelling like infants.