Presumtion of 'Heaven'

[Godular]

Ohkewl! Can you provide support for the assertion of its existence with independently verifiable evidence?

You might make the news.

There is a life after death without a doubt but in this case it's just up to personal belief.

Without a doubt, huh? You have evidence to support this?

[Freefall11111]

There is a life after death without a doubt but in this case it's just up to personal belief.

Without a doubt, huh? You have evidence to support this?

"My holy book said so".

[Dushan]

I am wondering did any of the People in this Thread had any own religious/spritual/mystic experiences?

[The Isles of Lux]

The very first reply to this thread sums up my thoughts on this topic so completely that it is a bit scary.

[Mega City 5]

I am wondering did any of the People in this Thread had any own religious/spritual/mystic experiences?

No. But I am deeply imbued with the doctrines of the Platonists, of Aristotle and of St. Thomas Aquinas.

[Shakal]

Bottom line:

Either you believe in the stuff. Or you don't.

Besides, where's the Tetris playing OP?

I got slightly distracted by trying to get past level 13!

And I am inclined to agree. I personally believe organized religion is the worst cancer in society that man has ever created. So im going to all kinds of hells and purgatories. I was just curious since to me it just doesnt make sense. As stated my idea of a good life is far apart from regular religious theories.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

There is a life after death without a doubt but in this case it's just up to personal belief.

Without a doubt, huh? You have evidence to support this?

Are you suggesting there is eternal blackness because if so that is a form of life.

[Freefall11111]

Without a doubt, huh? You have evidence to support this?

Are you suggesting there is eternal blackness because if so that is a form of life.

No, the alternative to "life after death" is "nothing".

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

I am wondering did any of the People in this Thread had any own religious/spritual/mystic experiences?

I dreamed of heaven twice but IDK if that counts.

[Godular]

Without a doubt, huh? You have evidence to support this?

Are you suggesting there is eternal blackness because if so that is a form of life.

OOO! A STRAWMAN TO SET FIRE TO!

I'm suggesting nothing.

Heh... that applies on multiple levels.

[Mega City 5]

I got slightly distracted by trying to get past level 13!

And I am inclined to agree. I personally believe organized religion is the worst cancer in society that man has ever created. So im going to all kinds of hells and purgatories. I was just curious since to me it just doesnt make sense. As stated my idea of a good life is far apart from regular religious theories.

Your notion of a good life is the notion of a "happy" pig wallowing in the mud.

[Hesse Darmstadt]

Valhalla.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Are you suggesting there is eternal blackness because if so that is a form of life.

OOO! A STRAWMAN TO SET FIRE TO!

I'm suggesting nothing.

Heh... that applies on multiple levels.

Im assuming you're atheist.

[Shakal]

I got slightly distracted by trying to get past level 13!

And I am inclined to agree. I personally believe organized religion is the worst cancer in society that man has ever created. So im going to all kinds of hells and purgatories. I was just curious since to me it just doesnt make sense. As stated my idea of a good life is far apart from regular religious theories.

Your notion of a good life is the notion of a "happy" pig wallowing in the mud.

That is your opinion. Here comes the issue I was speaking of. Our ideas of Heaven would be very different. Your willingness to submit your entire existence to an almighty god to me goes contrary to the way I feel about these things.

[The Isles of Lux]

I am wondering did any of the People in this Thread had any own religious/spritual/mystic experiences?

I dreamed of heaven twice but IDK if that counts.

I dreamed that an orange dolphin brought me to a giant mansion on the beach and I lived there forever.

It must have been a message from God!

[Godular]

OOO! A STRAWMAN TO SET FIRE TO!

I'm suggesting nothing.

Heh... that applies on multiple levels.

Im assuming you're atheist.

Happily so, not that it matters.

If it is any consolation, I will generally be like this to anybody who tries to make a statement of belief sound like a statement of fact, no matter their choice of religion.

[Mega City 5]

That is your opinion. Here comes the issue I was speaking of. Our ideas of Heaven would be very different. Your willingness to submit your entire existence to an almighty god to me goes contrary to the way I feel about these things.

Except, not really. You have an idea of "happiness" which bases itself entirely on purely animal satisfaction. It's literally a "happiness" fit for pigs (I am inclined to think the same about the popular muslim conception of "heaven").

Insofar as human beings are more than pigs, your idea of happiness is not an idea of happiness which is properly human.

Note, this has nothing to do with religion. See Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics.

[Godular]

I dreamed of heaven twice but IDK if that counts.

I dreamed that an orange dolphin brought me to a giant mansion on the beach and I lived there forever.

It must have been a message from God!

I dreamed a version of Batman Vs. Superman in which instead of fighting they engaged in a street race.

Might have been a better movie, really.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Im assuming you're atheist.

Happily so, not that it matters.

If it is any consolation, I will generally be like this to anybody who tries to make a statement of belief sound like a statement of fact, no matter their choice of religion.

I was just asking because I wanted to get a better understanding of the position you were coming from.

[Freefall11111]

That is your opinion. Here comes the issue I was speaking of. Our ideas of Heaven would be very different. Your willingness to submit your entire existence to an almighty god to me goes contrary to the way I feel about these things.

Except, not really. You have an idea of "happiness" which bases itself entirely on purely animal satisfaction. It's literally a "happiness" fit for pigs.

Insofar as human beings are more than pigs, your idea of happiness is not an idea of happiness which is properly human.

There's no such thing as non-animal satisfaction. We are animals, therefore any satisfaction we have is animal. QED.

[The Isles of Lux]

Happily so, not that it matters.

If it is any consolation, I will generally be like this to anybody who tries to make a statement of belief sound like a statement of fact, no matter their choice of religion.

I was just asking because I wanted to get a better understanding of the position you were coming from.

Because his statements weren't clear enough? Anyway, just knowing he rejects any kind of theism only tells you what positions he isn't coming from, not which ones he is.

[Shakal]

That is your opinion. Here comes the issue I was speaking of. Our ideas of Heaven would be very different. Your willingness to submit your entire existence to an almighty god to me goes contrary to the way I feel about these things.

Except, not really. You have an idea of "happiness" which bases itself entirely on purely animal satisfaction. It's literally a "happiness" fit for pigs.

Insofar as human beings are more than pigs, your idea of happiness is not an idea of happiness which is properly human.

Note, this has nothing to do with religion. See Aristotle, Nicomachean Ethics.

While I do agree to a point. The things I mentioned were not the only things that make me happy, just things that go against the grain of Christain belief. I also enjoy helping my friends and hearing them laugh and all manner of things.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

I was just asking because I wanted to get a better understanding of the position you were coming from.

Because his statements weren't clear enough? Anyway, just knowing he rejects any kind of theism only tells you what positions he isn't coming from, not which ones he is.

I wasn't sure if he was like a spiritualist or something.

[Mega City 5]

There's no such thing as non-animal satisfaction.

Do you have any a priori reason for thinking this?

We are animals, therefore any satisfaction we have is animal. QED.

By "animal" I meant "merely animal." Humans and pigs differ in a very significant way.

[Killdash]

I understand the concepts of heaven, but personally cannot reconcile it's ideas and mine.

I've accepted that there's probably nothing after death, and though the thought scares me, it also motivates me.