Presumtion of 'Heaven'

[Aekra]

Wiccan here.

I already somewhat have the idea everyone's afterlife is unique to them... But they can visit friends and family in their afterlives if they want.

That's my personal belief, anyway.

Based off of what?

Based loosely off of the multiverse theory that science has come up with?

But more on a spiritual level.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

I dreamed of heaven twice but IDK if that counts.

If dreaming of something is the same as experiencing it then I feel the need to boast that I had a five way just last night.

okay

[Mega City 5]

Other animals being incapable of using our tools or our language does not mean they do not think about the same things we do.

My point:

If they contemplate the whys, they sure don't act like it.

I wish I shared your opinion on this matter. I personally find the very notion that I will die beyond frightening and I will try my hardest to extend my life as long as possible.

Why on earth would you be afraid of a dreamless sleep? As the Epicureans often said, was there anything terrifying before you hit the cradle?

If there is no life after death, and all of our sins, iniquities, injustices, intemperance, incontinence...if all of that dies with us, then there is nothing terrifying about death.

If, however, there is, and if man's natural aspiration for immortality is not in vain...

Kyrie eleison.

[Godular]

I wish I shared your opinion on this matter. I personally find the very notion that I will die beyond frightening and I will try my hardest to extend my life as long as possible.

Oh it scares me alright. My life's ambition is study the science of life extension. That's why I want to study Bio Medical Engineering. But I'm more afraid of being forgotten than actually dieing.

Way I figure... so long as you leave the world better off than when you arrived, you're golden.

[Freefall11111]

I wish I shared your opinion on this matter. I personally find the very notion that I will die beyond frightening and I will try my hardest to extend my life as long as possible.

Oh it scares me alright. My life's ambition is study the science of life extension. That's why I want to study Bio Medical Engineering. But I'm more afraid of being forgotten than actually dieing.

Good luck. Maybe you'll be able to contribute to something that makes us functionally immortal from aging.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Okay? I believe in Allah as the creator of everything, in this universe and all things we perceive in this physical world.

That's just what you believe. It is only a fact insofar as you state what your opinion is, not what actually is. Do keep this in mind.

Okay

Im really sorry if Im being a let down right now with this discussion but I dont feel well today and I dont have the answers you're looking for and like I already stated Islam discourages one from talking in regards they don't know much about I may know a lot but I dont feel prepared to have a discussion like this yet so please forgive me.

[Freefall11111]

If they contemplate the whys, they sure don't act like it.

Given how little of most animal behaviour we understand, it's impossible to say that with any certainty.

Why on earth would you be afraid of a dreamless sleep? As the Stoics often said, was there anything terrifying before you hit the cradle?

I don't know about you, but I find the idea of never experiencing reality ever again beyond terrifying. I quite enjoy life and I would like to experience it for as long as I physically can.

[The Isles of Lux]

Oh it scares me alright. My life's ambition is study the science of life extension. That's why I want to study Bio Medical Engineering. But I'm more afraid of being forgotten than actually dieing.

Way I figure... so long as you leave the world better off than when you arrived, you're golden.

How do you decide if it is better?

[Mega City 5]

I don't know about you, but I find the idea of never experiencing reality ever again beyond terrifying. I quite enjoy life and I would like to experience it for as long as I physically can.

That's only because you are imagining an "I" and then superimposing unconsciousness on this "I," which you are already presupposing as existent (another proof of mans' natural aspiration for immortality; death is literally inconceivable for us).

There is nothing terrifying about a dreamless sleep, about pure not-being.

Hell, on the other hand, is positively terrifying.

[Killdash]

Oh it scares me alright. My life's ambition is study the science of life extension. That's why I want to study Bio Medical Engineering. But I'm more afraid of being forgotten than actually dieing.

Good luck. Maybe you'll be able to contribute to something that makes us functionally immortal from aging.

That is the goal my friend. I have a lot of ideas, but I need a bit of professional polishing before I'm ready to release them.

[Freefall11111]

There is nothing terrifying about a dreamless sleep, about pure not-being.

Speak for yourself. Not all of us are comfortable with not existing.

Hell, on the other hand, is positively terrifying.

The alternative to not dying isn't Hell.

[Godular]

Way I figure... so long as you leave the world better off than when you arrived, you're golden.

How do you decide if it is better?

Dunno. Me, I'd go with 'Does the air smell a bit fresher? Did you work to make people other than yourself smile? Do your kids (if any) not have to deal with any shit you left behind?'

[The Isles of Lux]

I don't know about you, but I find the idea of never experiencing reality ever again beyond terrifying. I quite enjoy life and I would like to experience it for as long as I physically can.

That's only because you are imagining an "I" and then superimposing unconsciousness on this "I," which you are already presupposing as existent (another proof of mans' natural aspiration for immortality; death is literally inconceivable for us).

There is nothing terrifying about a dreamless sleep, about pure not-being.

Hell, on the other hand, is positively terrifying.

Existing is just as terrifying as not existing, in my opinion. Just the idea that I am a thing that is actually manifested in reality, and that reality is something as well, is quite horrifying and shocking to me.

[Dominated Earth]

As a Norse Pagan, all those things come with Valhalla. But mostly drinking and fighting and eating.

We as humans however probably use heaven as a means to understand what happens after death. After all, we aren't capable of conceiving nothing same as trying to conceive infinite.

[Killdash]

How do you decide if it is better?

Dunno. Me, I'd go with 'Does the air smell a bit fresher? Did you work to make people other than yourself smile? Do your kids (if any) not have to deal with any shit you left behind?'

When people think of you, will it be with a fond smile, or a hurried little footnote in their day.

[Dushan]

I don't know about you, but I find the idea of never experiencing reality ever again beyond terrifying. I quite enjoy life and I would like to experience it for as long as I physically can.

That's only because you are imagining an "I" and then superimposing unconsciousness on this "I," which you are already presupposing as existent (another proof of mans' natural aspiration for immortality; death is literally inconceivable for us).

There is nothing terrifying about a dreamless sleep, about pure not-being.

Hell, on the other hand, is positively terrifying.

Depends on the definition of Hell. What if something actually lurks there for you after Death to judge you?

and you know you can't escape that judgement.

I think thats a terrifying idea. Or perhaps not?

As a Norse Pagan, all those things come with Valhalla. But mostly drinking and fighting and eating.

Sounds good to me...

We as humans however probably use heaven as a means to understand what happens after death. After all, we aren't capable of conceiving nothing same as trying to conceive infinite.

Perhaps even if we could we would perhaps decide better not to know? If its something... not so nice?

[Mega City 5]

The alternative to not dying isn't Hell.

That's the promise of the Christian faith, and I certainly hope its true.

[Godular]

That's only because you are imagining an "I" and then superimposing unconsciousness on this "I," which you are already presupposing as existent (another proof of mans' natural aspiration for immortality; death is literally inconceivable for us).

There is nothing terrifying about a dreamless sleep, about pure not-being.

Hell, on the other hand, is positively terrifying.

Depends on the definition of Hell. What if something actually lurks there for you after Death to judge you?

I think thats a terrifying idea.

As a Norse Pagan, all those things come with Valhalla. But mostly drinking and fighting and eating.

Sounds good to me...

We as humans however probably use heaven as a means to understand what happens after death. After all, we aren't capable of conceiving nothing same as trying to conceive infinite.

Perhaps even if we could we would perhaps decide better not to know? If its something... not so nice?

Myeh... that's just getting worked up over nothing.

Heh... works on multiple levels again.

[The Isles of Lux]

Dunno. Me, I'd go with 'Does the air smell a bit fresher? Did you work to make people other than yourself smile? Do your kids (if any) not have to deal with any shit you left behind?'

When people think of you, will it be with a fond smile, or a hurried little footnote in their day.

The only problem I face with this is that I struggle to assure myself that any of these things actually matter, or if any kind of "better" even exists. I know what I prefer, but I don't know if what I prefer is actually what is better.

[Godular]

When people think of you, will it be with a fond smile, or a hurried little footnote in their day.

The only problem I face with this is that I struggle to assure myself that any of these things actually matter, or if any kind of "better" even exists. I know what I prefer, but I don't know if what I prefer is actually what is better.

The only thing that matters is if it satisfies you. That's subjective as all hell, I know, but really that's all it comes down to.

[Killdash]

When people think of you, will it be with a fond smile, or a hurried little footnote in their day.

The only problem I face with this is that I struggle to assure myself that any of these things actually matter, or if any kind of "better" even exists. I know what I prefer, but I don't know if what I prefer is actually what is better.

I get it. Sort of like, it would be nice, but I wouldn't actually know about it, right? So does it really mean something.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

The first meal in paradise will be the liver of a fish.

In Jannah when a married man and woman see each other they will stare for 40 years at each other in awe of each other's beauty

In Jannah five minuets with Allah is 1 million earth years

Each level of Paradise is larger than the universe

[Jolet]

Dunno. Me, I'd go with 'Does the air smell a bit fresher? Did you work to make people other than yourself smile? Do your kids (if any) not have to deal with any shit you left behind?'

When people think of you, will it be with a fond smile, or a hurried little footnote in their day.

It is for that reason that I hope there is something after death. I believe there is, loosely, but of course, in matters like these there can be no proof.

But the alternative is frightning, is it not? Becoming less than a footnote in history, being forgotten the dusty story of the human race. Without something after, what are our works, beyond dust left in our wake as we plummet towards oblivion?

Wow. That waxed far more whimsical than I intended. Well, it does illustrate my point- without something after this, what's the fucking point of living? Why does it matter?

[Freefall11111]

The alternative to not dying isn't Hell.

That's the promise of the Christian faith, and I certainly hope its true.

Not relevant to my point.

[Alvecia]

I figure if I've had a good life then I'll be fine not existing.
I think that's just part of my sedentary nature.