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Adoption as an alternative to breeding

Postby Novorobo » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:23 am

Right now, first-world birthrates are decreasing. Increasing the proportion of our society that consists of old people. What to do about this is typically framed as an immigration vs. breeding debate; immigration meaning that the effects of a foreign upbringing can affect their role in our society, breeding meaning people pay for the costs associated with OB-GYN care, let alone of baby care. And then there's the nuisance of screaming babies in public...

But what about adoption, the middle ground? Some of their formative years were spent in the third world, but some of them would be spent in the first world, and in so doing, we'd be rescuing them from a life of third-world misery.

And while we're at it, though subsidizing adoption might lead some people to have kids for the wrong reason, if we taxed breeding instead, might that encourage more adoption as an alternative to breeding?

EDIT: Irrelevant sidenote retracted; not worth the risk of derailing the thread over.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:25 am

so instead of breeding ourselves we should steal the children of 3rd world countries?

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Postby Novorobo » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:27 am

Ashmoria wrote:so instead of breeding ourselves we should steal the children of 3rd world countries?

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Well, start with adopting the orphans, and if it catches on, we'll see how it goes from there.

If third world people see how much better off they are in the first world, they might hand them over willingly.
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Postby The balkens » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:28 am

no.

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Postby Shaggy Dog Story » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:29 am

Adoption is great. I think more should do it rather than have biological children.

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:29 am

Ashmoria wrote:so instead of breeding ourselves we should steal the children of 3rd world countries?

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It would be great trolling of people who rant about the Brown Muslim Zombie horde overrunning the Civilized West though.

Even more hilarioous if someone who rants against the Brown Muslim Zombie horde adopts a Middle Eastern child.
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Postby Dinake » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:29 am

Why shouldn't we just have children the normal way?
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Postby Aelex » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:30 am

Yeah, no. I don't know about you but I definitely want kids of my own. You may love your adopted kids but they aren't the blood of your blood. It's simply not the same thing.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:30 am

Dinake wrote:Why shouldn't we just have children the normal way?


Decreased birthrate is the price of being CIVILIZED.
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Postby Shaggy Dog Story » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:31 am

Aelex wrote:Yeah, no. I don't know about you but I definitely want kids of my own. You may love your adopted kids but they aren't the blood of your blood. It's simply not the same thing.

My fiancée isn't related to me by blood (because, ew). I love her madly. You can love someone not related to you by blood.

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Postby The balkens » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:33 am

Gauthier wrote:
Dinake wrote:Why shouldn't we just have children the normal way?


Decreased birthrate is the price of being CIVILIZED.


and that means we should adopt kids from fuck knows where?

sorry, id rather raise my own flesh and blood then someone elses.

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:33 am

Shaggy Dog Story wrote:
Aelex wrote:Yeah, no. I don't know about you but I definitely want kids of my own. You may love your adopted kids but they aren't the blood of your blood. It's simply not the same thing.

My fiancée isn't related to me by blood (because, ew). I love her madly. You can love someone not related to you by blood.


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Postby Aelex » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:36 am

Shaggy Dog Story wrote:My fiancée isn't related to me by blood (because, ew). I love her madly. You can love someone not related to you by blood.

Funny, or rather creepy, how you find more disgusting the idea of incest with a woman than the implied pedophilia of this comparison. :p
Anyway, your comparison make the perfect exemple. Sure you can love them madly. But you won't love them as your kids. They won't be the blood of your blood, the flesh of your flesh. They won't be your.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:45 am

The balkens wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Decreased birthrate is the price of being CIVILIZED.


and that means we should adopt kids from fuck knows where?

sorry, id rather raise my own flesh and blood then someone elses.

^this tbh
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Postby Greater United American Republics » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:48 am

I'm very much so more intent on having progeny of my own thank you. My lineage needs to continue.
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Postby Dushan » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:59 am

No. For a multitude of reasons. Its only an option for People who cannot have Children.

Also totally disregarding the Fact that People come together and have their own Children for a reason.

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Postby G-Max » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:00 am

Why not both, if you have the bandwidth for it?

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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:11 am

The balkens wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Decreased birthrate is the price of being CIVILIZED.


and that means we should adopt kids from fuck knows where?

sorry, id rather raise my own flesh and blood then someone elses.

Erm, ok?

I mean, if you can't have a child, that's why adoption exists.

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Postby The balkens » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:12 am

Kelinfort wrote:
The balkens wrote:
and that means we should adopt kids from fuck knows where?

sorry, id rather raise my own flesh and blood then someone elses.

Erm, ok?

I mean, if you can't have a child, that's why adoption exists.


not what im refuting.

Mass adoption is what the OP seems to be advocating.
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Postby Aelex » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:14 am

The balkens wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Erm, ok?

I mean, if you can't have a child, that's why adoption exists.


not what im refuting.

Mass adoption is what the OP seems to be advocating.

That as well as pecuniary discouragement of normal birth.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:18 am

The balkens wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Erm, ok?

I mean, if you can't have a child, that's why adoption exists.


not what im refuting.

Mass adoption is what the OP seems to be advocating.

We're dealing with what amounts to an IM thread, I don't really think a response is necessary.

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Postby Valaran » Wed Jun 08, 2016 11:22 am

The balkens wrote:no.


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But seriously, no tax on procreation pls. People can adopt if they want, maybe if the govt. has spare cash, they can provide targeted incentives for it, but it shouldn't put disincentives on breeding. That's restrictive of freedom, and I like babymaking as a freedom.
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Postby Novorobo » Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:21 pm

G-Max wrote:Why not both, if you have the bandwidth for it?

Then you might have favouritism toward your own biological sons or daughters instead of your adopted ones. It should be adoption OR breeding, but not both.
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Postby Stormopolis » Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:42 pm

I can't stomach the idea of raising another man's child, so I disagree on a personal level. In fact, I'd probably go full on lion and eat the children from my woman's previous relationship(s) just to make sure my genes carry on. Now, it is a viable alternative for putting more children on this world, since we're already bursting at the seams.
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Postby UpwardThrust » Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:09 pm

Novorobo wrote:
G-Max wrote:Why not both, if you have the bandwidth for it?

Then you might have favouritism toward your own biological sons or daughters instead of your adopted ones. It should be adoption OR breeding, but not both.

What? I know plenty of families that do both depending on their circumstances there is nothing wrong with it.

The mark of successful raising of kids is not that you don't care for one more than the other (even with purely biological children there are always the ones who's personality mesh with the parents better) but that you raise them in a loving home, take care of their needs, make sure they grow into successful contributing adults.

If you are capable of doing that with adopted and biological children without putting undue burden on society then there is no reason not to do both
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