Screaming Infants in Public Spaces? Allowed?

[Freefall11111]

I say spank the snot out of them, oops I might've hurt someones feeling GUESS WHAT , I DONT CARE, AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

I wonder if you know how cringeworthy your post was.

[Idzequitch]

Your liberty ends where you are inconveniencing, harming and disturbing others.

FTFY

Or we could go with his definition. IM's thread inconveniences me, so by that logic, he should be fined. We take personal checks.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I detect cordyceps infection in this ant colony of a thread. Population control in process. Fungi agents contaminating non-issues. Again. Must abandon thread.

[Esternial]

Yeah because those things relate to each other.

Adults can fly whenever they want.
You don't get to force children on anyone else though.

Guess what, sweet cheeks - flying as a family DOES relate to children on planes, and you thinking somehow, they ought to ship the little anklebiters by rail, or stuff them in the storage compartments apparently.

Until you've traveled as a parent with a small child, I can honestly state that you have NO idea the amount of stress they tend to be under when they are the responsible type that do not want to 'force their children' on anyone, but need to fly to get to where they're going. I've seen people come up with apology packs for the folks around them, I've seen parents do everything in their power to be sure their children are calm, entertained, and as unobtrusive as possible, I've experienced the problems first-hand, where my daughter was fine - right until we started to land, and the change in pressure made her ears hurt. And being a small child who did not know how to make her ears pop, nor old enough to chew gum, she cried. And we ended up crying right along with her, trying to help her through it, and comfort her - and quiet her - as best we could.

Just because you don't have kids, or don't want to deal with kids, does not give you the right to dictate to those who do that they cannot travel on certain sorts of conveyances because gods forbid you might be inconvenienced. This is entirely different from people who wantonly subject their bratty little munchkins on the public because they don't give two shits about how they behave. By all means, feel free to point those folks out. But for the most part? It's my experience that parents do not want their little ones screaming or crying or causing a fuss. And they would rather not be bothering you either.

It might behoove all of us to try to not be dicks when we're in public - whether we have kids, or pets, or are just our own obnoxious selves.

Dunno, I just sort of tolerate other people because I know other people tolerate me in public. It's not about not being dicks in public, per-se.

If I were to whine about everything it'd probably make me a selfish and self-righteous twat that probably annoys more people than I realise.

[Cymrea]

Yeah because those things relate to each other.

Adults can fly whenever they want.
You don't get to force children on anyone else though.

Guess what, sweet cheeks - flying as a family DOES relate to children on planes, and you thinking somehow, they ought to ship the little anklebiters by rail, or stuff them in the storage compartments apparently.

Until you've traveled as a parent with a small child, I can honestly state that you have NO idea the amount of stress they tend to be under when they are the responsible type that do not want to 'force their children' on anyone, but need to fly to get to where they're going. I've seen people come up with apology packs for the folks around them, I've seen parents do everything in their power to be sure their children are calm, entertained, and as unobtrusive as possible, I've experienced the problems first-hand, where my daughter was fine - right until we started to land, and the change in pressure made her ears hurt. And being a small child who did not know how to make her ears pop, nor old enough to chew gum, she cried. And we ended up crying right along with her, trying to help her through it, and comfort her - and quiet her - as best we could.

Just because you don't have kids, or don't want to deal with kids, does not give you the right to dictate to those who do that they cannot travel on certain sorts of conveyances because gods forbid you might be inconvenienced. This is entirely different from people who wantonly subject their bratty little munchkins on the public because they don't give two shits about how they behave. By all means, feel free to point those folks out. But for the most part? It's my experience that parents do not want their little ones screaming or crying or causing a fuss. And they would rather not be bothering you either.

It might behoove all of us to try to not be dicks when we're in public - whether we have kids, or pets, or are just our own obnoxious selves.

^Yes, this.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I detect cordyceps infection in this ant colony of a thread. Population control in process. Fungi agents contaminating non-issues. Again. Must abandon thread.

OH GODS, NOT THE CLICKERS!

Etsy: More or less meant if we all at least attempted to not be dickish - whether it's our kids who are upset, or if we're the one getting all pissed off and grumbly over that person smoking nearby, or that group of teenagers laughing too loudly, or the music being played at the park by some group that is rubbing us the wrong way. We can all be a bit more tolerant, and less dickish, whichever side of any particular scenario we happen to find ourselves in. Doesn't take much, like you've noted there. Just requires a touch less selfishness or what not.

[Scarlet Tides]

I don't want to start an oppression olympics race but if the worst you honestly have to contend with in any venue or mode of transportation is a baby crying a bit, shit is pretty chill and you're fortunate.

[Donut section]

Yeah because those things relate to each other.

Adults can fly whenever they want.
You don't get to force children on anyone else though.

Guess what, sweet cheeks - flying as a family DOES relate to children on planes, and you thinking somehow, they ought to ship the little anklebiters by rail, or stuff them in the storage compartments apparently.

Until you've traveled as a parent with a small child, I can honestly state that you have NO idea the amount of stress they tend to be under when they are the responsible type that do not want to 'force their children' on anyone, but need to fly to get to where they're going. I've seen people come up with apology packs for the folks around them, I've seen parents do everything in their power to be sure their children are calm, entertained, and as unobtrusive as possible, I've experienced the problems first-hand, where my daughter was fine - right until we started to land, and the change in pressure made her ears hurt. And being a small child who did not know how to make her ears pop, nor old enough to chew gum, she cried. And we ended up crying right along with her, trying to help her through it, and comfort her - and quiet her - as best we could.

Just because you don't have kids, or don't want to deal with kids, does not give you the right to dictate to those who do that they cannot travel on certain sorts of conveyances because gods forbid you might be inconvenienced. This is entirely different from people who wantonly subject their bratty little munchkins on the public because they don't give two shits about how they behave. By all means, feel free to point those folks out. But for the most part? It's my experience that parents do not want their little ones screaming or crying or causing a fuss. And they would rather not be bothering you either.

It might behoove all of us to try to not be dicks when we're in public - whether we have kids, or pets, or are just our own obnoxious selves.

I wasn't aware this had anything to do with rights. I also wasn't aware that families had rights that individuals didn't.

Unless there's some medical emergency there's no reason to NEED to fly.

We don't allow other things that interfere with other people's lives on airplanes.

How hard is it to accept that it's entirely your responsibility to deal with your kids. Never anyone else's.

[The Batorys]

Infants scream, they can't help it. But parents don't have to bring them outside to disrupt other people at restaurants, public transit, or movie theatres. That is just being irresponsible and selfish. There is no denying that the sound of screaming babies, especially over a sustained time period, is overbearingly obnoxious.

1. Should parents bring screaming infants into public spaces where others are trying to have a good time?

2. If yes, why? If no... should the law do something about it?

Personally, I think there should be a fine imposed on those who don't care about others and bring screaming infants into movie theatres, restaurants, and public transit. Your liberty ends where you are inconveniencing, harming, and disturbing others.

What do you think?

I wholeheartedly support the idea of removing loud, obnoxious children from public spaces.

Starting with you.

[Shaggy Dog Story]

Guess what, sweet cheeks - flying as a family DOES relate to children on planes, and you thinking somehow, they ought to ship the little anklebiters by rail, or stuff them in the storage compartments apparently.

Until you've traveled as a parent with a small child, I can honestly state that you have NO idea the amount of stress they tend to be under when they are the responsible type that do not want to 'force their children' on anyone, but need to fly to get to where they're going. I've seen people come up with apology packs for the folks around them, I've seen parents do everything in their power to be sure their children are calm, entertained, and as unobtrusive as possible, I've experienced the problems first-hand, where my daughter was fine - right until we started to land, and the change in pressure made her ears hurt. And being a small child who did not know how to make her ears pop, nor old enough to chew gum, she cried. And we ended up crying right along with her, trying to help her through it, and comfort her - and quiet her - as best we could.

Just because you don't have kids, or don't want to deal with kids, does not give you the right to dictate to those who do that they cannot travel on certain sorts of conveyances because gods forbid you might be inconvenienced. This is entirely different from people who wantonly subject their bratty little munchkins on the public because they don't give two shits about how they behave. By all means, feel free to point those folks out. But for the most part? It's my experience that parents do not want their little ones screaming or crying or causing a fuss. And they would rather not be bothering you either.

It might behoove all of us to try to not be dicks when we're in public - whether we have kids, or pets, or are just our own obnoxious selves.

I wasn't aware this had anything to do with rights. I also wasn't aware that families had rights that individuals didn't.

Unless there's some medical emergency there's no reason to NEED to fly.

We don't allow other things that interfere with other people's lives on airplanes.

How hard is it to accept that it's entirely your responsibility to deal with your kids. Never anyone else's.

While there may be some merit in a discussion as to whether children should not be permitted in intentionally quiet private places (theaters, cinemas, high end restaurants) we have apparently passed that point and are now arguing if it's OK to ban children from public accommodations like AIRPLANES.

This is so beyond a reasonable position that I can't even begin to respond to it.

It is absolutely untrue that we ban things that "interfere with people's lives" on airplanes. We ban things that interfere with their safety . That is a very different thing.

[Lanoraie]

I say spank the snot out of them, oops I might've hurt someones feeling GUESS WHAT , I DONT CARE, AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Because hitting someone totally solves their problem. Oh wait, it doesn't. It solves YOUR problem, which is laziness and abuse. Talk about self-centered.

Yikes. Do the gene pool a favor and never have children.

I say put an age restriction in certain places like movie theaters. You can't bring a child under 3, for example. But it usually can't be helped, like in airplanes. Babies are babies and they get upset. And for airplanes specifically, their ears popping can be surprising and painful to them. It's best to just ignore it and have some damn empathy. Always bring ear plugs just in case, or noise-canceling headphones. That's what I and the people of my nation do.

[Holy Jakelandion Empire]

They are so annoying when I'm trying to eat at a restaurant and the parents just ignore it. My mother always took us outside to the car and scolded us. All she did was squeeze my shoulder tight and glare at me and that shut me up.

[Iwassoclose]

Public spaces, sure.

Private spaces fuck nooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

[Holy Jakelandion Empire]

I say spank the snot out of them, oops I might've hurt someones feeling GUESS WHAT , I DONT CARE, AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Because hitting someone totally solves their problem. Oh wait, it doesn't. It solves YOUR problem, which is laziness and abuse. Talk about self-centered.

Yikes. Do the gene pool a favor and never have children.

I say put an age restriction in certain places like movie theaters. You can't bring a child under 3, for example. But it usually can't be helped, like in airplanes. Babies are babies and they get upset. And for airplanes specifically, their ears popping can be surprising and painful to them. It's best to just ignore it and have some damn empathy.

Well, we might want to reverse the 'wussy' process of these new generations and not just hand shit to them. It's the parents' responsibility for their child in public. I agree, spank them.

[Holy Jakelandion Empire]

I wasn't aware this had anything to do with rights. I also wasn't aware that families had rights that individuals didn't.

Unless there's some medical emergency there's no reason to NEED to fly.

We don't allow other things that interfere with other people's lives on airplanes.

How hard is it to accept that it's entirely your responsibility to deal with your kids. Never anyone else's.

While there may be some merit in a discussion as to whether children should not be permitted in intentionally quiet private places (theaters, cinemas, high end restaurants) we have apparently passed that point and are now arguing if it's OK to ban children from public accommodations like AIRPLANES.

This is so beyond a reasonable position that I can't even begin to respond to it.

It is absolutely untrue that we ban things that "interfere with people's lives" on airplanes. We ban things that interfere with their safety . That is a very different thing.

Okay, imagine a terrorist is on that plane and wants everyone to be quiet. Baby starts screaming and stresses the terrorist. Terrorist decides to either kill parents+baby or blow up the entire plane.

[Lanoraie]

Because hitting someone totally solves their problem. Oh wait, it doesn't. It solves YOUR problem, which is laziness and abuse. Talk about self-centered.

Yikes. Do the gene pool a favor and never have children.

I say put an age restriction in certain places like movie theaters. You can't bring a child under 3, for example. But it usually can't be helped, like in airplanes. Babies are babies and they get upset. And for airplanes specifically, their ears popping can be surprising and painful to them. It's best to just ignore it and have some damn empathy.

Well, we might want to reverse the 'wussy' process of these new generations and not just hand shit to them. It's the parents' responsibility for their child in public. I agree, spank them.

Yikes x2. We're really going for new levels of idiocy here, aren't we, folks? Yeah, hit a child! Totally makes sense! Hit an infant for communicating with you that something's wrong in the only way it can! Hell, why stop there? Kick your pregnant wife in the stomach to show your developing infant who's boss!

I love how you call latest generations wussies, assuming your generation and previous ones were proper and correct, as apposed to violent and cold hearted. Yeah, I'm pretty sick of muh safe spaces too, but it's scientifically proven that hitting children is harmful to them in the long run. Exhibit A: You.

You people tire me out. So, so much.

[Holy Jakelandion Empire]

Well, we might want to reverse the 'wussy' process of these new generations and not just hand shit to them. It's the parents' responsibility for their child in public. I agree, spank them.

Yikes x2. We're really going for new levels of idiocy here, aren't we, folks? Yeah, hit a child! Totally makes sense! Hit an infant for communicating with you that something's wrong in the only way it can! Hell, why stop there? Kick your pregnant wife in the stomach to show your developing infant who's boss!

I love how you call latest generations wussies, assuming your generation and previous ones were proper and correct, as apposed to violent and cold hearted. Yeah, I'm pretty sick of muh safe spaces too, but it's scientifically proven that hitting children is harmful to them in the long run. Exhibit A: You.

You people tire me out. So, so much.

What? You just gave me autism. For my fucking generation (meh, somewhere around millennials), I am the best one probably and my parents had discipline. I'd rather be part of the older generations than be seen with the latest generations. They give me 2nd-hand shame. What are you supposed to do to a child that is having a fit and being whiney bastard? Give it candy and hand it shit all its life?

And if we make you tired, why not just leave? Leave with your annoying babies in public. Don't dump it on the rest of us.

[Shaggy Dog Story]

There is a certain irony about kids complaining about kids these days.

And if we make you tired, why not just leave?

Ah yes there it is.

[Lanoraie]

Yikes x2. We're really going for new levels of idiocy here, aren't we, folks? Yeah, hit a child! Totally makes sense! Hit an infant for communicating with you that something's wrong in the only way it can! Hell, why stop there? Kick your pregnant wife in the stomach to show your developing infant who's boss!

I love how you call latest generations wussies, assuming your generation and previous ones were proper and correct, as apposed to violent and cold hearted. Yeah, I'm pretty sick of muh safe spaces too, but it's scientifically proven that hitting children is harmful to them in the long run. Exhibit A: You.

You people tire me out. So, so much.

What? You just gave me autism. For my fucking generation (meh, somewhere around millennials), I am the best one probably and my parents had discipline. I'd rather be part of the older generations than be seen with the latest generations. They give me 2nd-hand shame. What are you supposed to do to a child that is having a fit and being whiney bastard? Give it candy and hand it shit all its life?

And if we make you tired, why not just leave? Leave with your annoying babies in public. Don't dump it on the rest of us.

That's quite the arrogant attitude you have. I am completely ambivalent about most generations, though yours is quite entitled itself, not to mention rude and unsympathetic. If the child is having a fit, you figure out why. Solve the issue. Talk through it with them. Set guidelines before even going somewhere (if they're old enough to understand) and tell them the consequences of misbehavior. You know, things normal, healthy, educated parents do.

I love how you claim my generation (I'm 20) to be entitled, yet you think you're entitled to tell someone to leave if their baby is crying. The irony is strong.

[Ifreann]

Because hitting someone totally solves their problem. Oh wait, it doesn't. It solves YOUR problem, which is laziness and abuse. Talk about self-centered.

Yikes. Do the gene pool a favor and never have children.

I say put an age restriction in certain places like movie theaters. You can't bring a child under 3, for example. But it usually can't be helped, like in airplanes. Babies are babies and they get upset. And for airplanes specifically, their ears popping can be surprising and painful to them. It's best to just ignore it and have some damn empathy.

Well, we might want to reverse the 'wussy' process of these new generations and not just hand shit to them. It's the parents' responsibility for their child in public. I agree, spank them.

Yes, pain will certainly make babies stop crying.

[Esternial]

What? You just gave me autism. For my fucking generation (meh, somewhere around millennials), I am the best one probably and my parents had discipline. I'd rather be part of the older generations than be seen with the latest generations. They give me 2nd-hand shame. What are you supposed to do to a child that is having a fit and being whiney bastard? Give it candy and hand it shit all its life?

And if we make you tired, why not just leave? Leave with your annoying babies in public. Don't dump it on the rest of us.

That's quite the arrogant attitude you have. I am completely ambivalent about most generations, though yours is quite entitled itself, not to mention rude and unsympathetic. If the child is having a fit, you figure out why. Solve the issue. Talk through it with them. Set guidelines before even going somewhere (if they're old enough to understand) and tell them the consequences of misbehavior. You know, things normal, healthy, educated parents do.

I love how you claim my generation (I'm 20) to be entitled, yet you think you're entitled to tell someone to leave if their baby is crying. The irony is strong.

Frankly that entitled attitude comes with the times. Increasing individualism and such.

You can't expect a kid to have a properly nuanced opinion about some stuff so cut him some slack. Perspective grows with age.

Maybe it might seem like hitting your kid is the only option to some, and that those that don't want to are immediately the kind of parents that enable and reward bad behaviour. That said, you can be stern and authoritative with a child without having to physically harm him. Talking it out with them won't always work, but there are other routes that you can try, and which ones those are depends on your child. There's no "one size fits all" when it comes to your children.

[Tekeristan]

Ah yes, babies and toddlers understand what fines are and will surely shut up once that is implemented! /s

[Lanoraie]

That's quite the arrogant attitude you have. I am completely ambivalent about most generations, though yours is quite entitled itself, not to mention rude and unsympathetic. If the child is having a fit, you figure out why. Solve the issue. Talk through it with them. Set guidelines before even going somewhere (if they're old enough to understand) and tell them the consequences of misbehavior. You know, things normal, healthy, educated parents do.

I love how you claim my generation (I'm 20) to be entitled, yet you think you're entitled to tell someone to leave if their baby is crying. The irony is strong.

Frankly that entitled attitude comes with the times. Increasing individualism and such.

You can't expect a kid to have a properly nuanced opinion about some stuff so cut him some slack. Perspective grows with age.

Maybe it might seem like hitting your kid is the only option to some, and that those that don't want to are immediately the kind of parents that enable and reward bad behaviour. That said, you can be stern and authoritative with a child without having to physically harm him. Talking it out with them won't always work, but there are other routes that you can try, and which ones those are depends on your child. There's no "one size fits all" when it comes to your children.

Preaching to the choir, bud.

[Camicon]

While there may be some merit in a discussion as to whether children should not be permitted in intentionally quiet private places (theaters, cinemas, high end restaurants) we have apparently passed that point and are now arguing if it's OK to ban children from public accommodations like AIRPLANES.

This is so beyond a reasonable position that I can't even begin to respond to it.

It is absolutely untrue that we ban things that "interfere with people's lives" on airplanes. We ban things that interfere with their safety . That is a very different thing.

Okay, imagine a terrorist is on that plane and wants everyone to be quiet. Baby starts screaming and stresses the terrorist. Terrorist decides to either kill parents+baby or blow up the entire plane.

Oh, wait... you're being serious?

[The Constitutional Republic of Freedonia]

While there may be some merit in a discussion as to whether children should not be permitted in intentionally quiet private places (theaters, cinemas, high end restaurants) we have apparently passed that point and are now arguing if it's OK to ban children from public accommodations like AIRPLANES.

This is so beyond a reasonable position that I can't even begin to respond to it.

It is absolutely untrue that we ban things that "interfere with people's lives" on airplanes. We ban things that interfere with their safety . That is a very different thing.

Okay, imagine a terrorist is on that plane and wants everyone to be quiet. Baby starts screaming and stresses the terrorist. Terrorist decides to either kill parents+baby or blow up the entire plane.

Imagine that there is a terrorist on that plane and wants everyone to be quiet. Baby starts screaming, and the terrorist suddenly realizes he would be murdering children, repents, and deactivates his bomb.

See? I can make pointless hypotheticals too.