Screaming Infants in Public Spaces? Allowed?

[Arlathan and the Dales]

So, what? Children are now only allowed in parks and playgrounds? Can't take them out to eat and to enjoy things on the chance they may, perish the thought, cry? More than that, parents should be fined for not confining them indoors all day?

Right, because a baby crying somewhere in the same building you are in is going to cause instant irreparable damage to hearing on par with firing a gun at a range without adequate protection.

Yes. It astounds me that there are people who are so selfish and unable to handle children that they want them banned from all places save parks and such, when it can be resolved quite easily resolved with the mother or father simply calming them down by briefly taking them outside or otherwise.

I wouldn't say it's selfish to expect a certain level of decorum when out and about at certain public venues, I myself think it should boil down to common sense as a parent to understand that their screamin' demon child has become a disruption and start thinking about a quick exit with said child til the child calms down. As a parent myself, we didn't go out all that often when our children were babies, if we don't care to hear a screamin' demon child, why would we expect others to put up with our screamin' demon children?

We have been to restaurants and other venues that have turned people away with very young children where such places cater to an age group of teenage children and up.
Do I support a flat out ban of young children from all restaurants and other places? NO. Do I support fines or other law enforcement penalties? NO. I do support common sense and a parent's ability to finally do the right thing and leave the area with the wailing child and return after the child has calmed down.

No it is not. It is selfish however to want to ban all children from all restaurants and theaters, or other locations not strictly specified to serve children. Not that I am saying that is what you are advocating as that is clearly not the case. Very certain venues, yes I see why children would be banned, but not from any and all restaurants and theaters.

As does everyone I feel. And usually, that is exactly what happens. But apparently, to some, the idea of a parent simply taking them outside to calm down, or if they do not immediately, politely asking them to do so, is too abstract a concept. It is much more reasonable to ban children and fine parents and get the legal system involved.

[Herrebrugh]

Muzzle the lot of them.

[Leiwe]

Says it all really
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NP7SfpcsVhE (tell me if it works or not)

[Wallenburg]

Muzzle the lot of them.

Yes, force parents to treat their children like rabid animals.

This summer is going to be particularly vicious.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Muzzle the lot of them.

Yes, force parents to treat their children like rabid animals.

This summer is going to be particularly vicious.

Not rapid, just feisty.

I think it's a sound, logical, humane solution.

[Wallenburg]

Yes, force parents to treat their children like rabid animals.

This summer is going to be particularly vicious.

Not rapid, just feisty.

I think it's a sound, logical, humane solution.

I think it is a "Modest Proposal".

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Not rapid, just feisty.

I think it's a sound, logical, humane solution.

I think it is a "Modest Proposal".

Zing!

[United States of Conner]

TBTH, I've always hated that.

That being said, a law restricting that is ridiculous. If you can't control your kid, though, don't take them with you.

[Infected Mushroom]

and it should have the full backing and sanction of law

No. No it shouldn't. At all, really. I get that you seem to like advocating banning or bringing law into whatever incident particularly annoyed you that day, but these are not grounds for legal intervention unfortunately.

I am sure a majority of the people find screaming infants in public spaces quite unbearable, so no this is not just me... its in the public interest

[The first Galactic Republic]

I am getting such a strong sense of deja vu right now. Didn't you raise this exact topic at some point in the past? And you proposed adapting those "anti-barking" collars used on dogs - the ones that shock them if they try to make a noise - for use on babies?

Now, I'm no fan of babies - they're basically tiny mental patients - and I sometimes fantasize about raising all children everywhere in Matrix-style VR pods. But as I age the age at which I think children should be let out of the pods also goes up, to the point that the drunken hooting teenagers who inhabit my street would still be crammed into their pods today. And I certainly think children shouldn't be allowed in movie theaters until they can be quiet throughout (though I'll make an exception for movies targeted towards children, and some theaters have "Mums & Bubs nights" where such rules obviously don't apply).

But your urge to legislate and punish anything you personally find objectionable is breathtakingly authoritarian, petty, and fundamentally flawed. I suspect that what you really want is a world in which everything that is not mandatory is forbidden; that, like many autistic people, you are frustrated and confused by ambiguity or subtlety, and you think that if only everything were settled in law like some kind of How To Human Manual and Guidebook the world would finally make sense. But the problem here does not lie with the world; the problem is in you, and even if you somehow achieved your goals and every human interaction was perfectly laid out and perfectly enforced, you would still find the world confusingly ambiguous.

I think he just wants the consistent attention.

I mean the way IM always throws logical fallacies and refutations at obvious joke posts? Textbook.

[Alvecia]

No. No it shouldn't. At all, really. I get that you seem to like advocating banning or bringing law into whatever incident particularly annoyed you that day, but these are not grounds for legal intervention unfortunately.

I am sure a majority of the people find screaming infants in public spaces quite unbearable, so no this is not just me... its in the public interest

I find people who walk slowly down the pavement really annoying Especially when they have a friend and they're taking up the entire path.
Perhaps we should fine people for that as well.

[Infected Mushroom]

I am sure a majority of the people find screaming infants in public spaces quite unbearable, so no this is not just me... its in the public interest

I find people who walk slowly down the pavement really annoying Especially when they have a friend and they're taking up the entire path.
Perhaps we should fine people for that as well.

perhaps

but that is really a separate discussion

[Proticata]

what should they do, kill them?

babies cry. first they aren't crying then they are. you cant keep them home 24/7.

If they are young thats understanble but if they are over 6 and they are screaming and b!itching something should be done

[Proticata]

Also something should done with parents letting their children making too much noise in backyards

[Alvecia]

I find people who walk slowly down the pavement really annoying Especially when they have a friend and they're taking up the entire path.
Perhaps we should fine people for that as well.

perhaps

but that is really a separate discussion

Much like what you're proposing, the benefit is negligible compared to the enforcement effort.
I give it an official Not Worth It/10

[The Constitutional Republic of Freedonia]

No. No it shouldn't. At all, really. I get that you seem to like advocating banning or bringing law into whatever incident particularly annoyed you that day, but these are not grounds for legal intervention unfortunately.

I am sure a majority of the people find screaming infants in public spaces quite unbearable, so no this is not just me... its in the public interest

For those who are currently hearing a child in public-sure, but that is not particularly common. What is it decidedly against the interest of is every single parent who can no longer risk bringing their child along anywhere outside of their house for risk of a fine, even if they believe them to be rather well-behaved, a group that is undoubtedly far larger than the handful being annoyed by a crying baby, especially given that many, perhaps most, of those instances are in private establishments, who can ask them to leave if they wish.

[Ifreann]

It's unreasonable to expect infants to be sequestered from the hearing of the public for their early lives. Therefore the government must issue noise-cancelling headphones to the entire populace designed to filter out the sound of crying infants. It might cost a fortune, but if it will save people from minor irritation then there can be no question that it must be done.

[Free Republics]

There absolutely should not be any laws on this issue. However, businesses should be free to ban infants from the premises and it would be a good policy for most restaurants to adopt. Most restaurants are in the business of selling an atmosphere moreso than they are actually in the business of selling food, so anything that ruins the atmosphere for other customers should not be allowed by the business owner.

Law enforcement resources need to be dedicated to fighting real crimes. Until shoplifters and vandals start being caught and prosecuted on a routine basis (rather than going on Tumblr, openly bragging about their crimes under the guise of "fiction" and providing tips to other criminals on how not to get caught stealing from their local Walmart), it makes absolutely no sense to waste police resources on a mere annoyance.

[Arlathan and the Dales]

No. No it shouldn't. At all, really. I get that you seem to like advocating banning or bringing law into whatever incident particularly annoyed you that day, but these are not grounds for legal intervention unfortunately.

I am sure a majority of the people find screaming infants in public spaces quite unbearable, so no this is not just me... its in the public interest

And I find ridiculous forum topics about inane fines unbearable. Shall we fine those now? Also, I really find people who wear vibrant orange unbearable, let's fine them too. In fact, anytime anyone complains about being annoyed by something, we should just fine the perpetrator of the annoyance. No, no it really is not. This is about you and something you find annoying and want to be rid of. Find me a sizable portion of the public that would support fines against parents and subsidized nannies, then you can say that. Fining people over something this inconsequential, and then making taxpayers pay for nannies is far from the public interest.

[Arlathan and the Dales]

I find people who walk slowly down the pavement really annoying Especially when they have a friend and they're taking up the entire path.
Perhaps we should fine people for that as well.

perhaps

but that is really a separate discussion

For Gods' sake you cannot fine everything you find to be a minor inconvenience or bother. Jaysus.

[Des-Bal]

If parents have the right to inflict their children on people then those parents have no right to complain when the world is in turn inflicted upon their children. You want to bring your screaming child into a restaurant? Fine, don't cut your fucking eyes at me when I start using casual profanity and don't ask "how am I going to explain this to my kids" about anything that happens in public. If you get your chocolate in the peanut butter the fucking floodgates open.

[Shaggy Dog Story]

If parents have the right to inflict their children on people then those parents have no right to complain when the world is in turn inflicted upon their children. You want to bring your screaming child into a restaurant? Fine, don't cut your fucking eyes at me when I start using casual profanity and don't ask "how am I going to explain this to my kids" about anything that happens in public. If you get your chocolate in the peanut butter the fucking floodgates open.

I find the idea of being intentionally profane because a parent decided to bring a child (an affliction you were once cursed with) into the public to "spite" them a far more ludicrous proposition.

The infant is at least justified in behaving childish. What's your excuse?

[Albertae]

If your infant is screaming in public that probably means that your not giving him/her enough attention. Infants can't talk remember idiots? This is their way of communication, right now. And if you suppress it- it may have dastardly consequences. My point is, if your baby is screaming he/she is probably signaling that they are hungry or went #1 or #2 in their diaper or some other necessity WHICH THEY CANT DO THEMSELVES Don't neglect your infant's screaming.

[Des-Bal]

I find the idea of being intentionally profane because a parent decided to bring a child (an affliction you were once cursed with) into the public to "spite" them a far more ludicrous proposition.

The infant is at least justified in behaving childish. What's your excuse?

"Casual" is not a synonym for "intentional." I use profanity casually, that upsets some parents who then have a tendency to "cut [their] fucking eyes at me."

[Shaggy Dog Story]

The solution of course is obvious. Outlaw children. If we do that society will be free not only of this meddlesome burden but all others in a mere 100 years or so.

Imagine it. Street free from crime. Skies clear of pollution. Nothing but blessed silence. We must outlaw children immediately!