Screaming Infants in Public Spaces? Allowed?

[Impireacht]

More annoying noises are often emitted from adults....
If bob can shout "Sup you m***********!" and proceed to body slam his friend in public, then a baby should be able to cry.

Movie theaters should just have a screen at the beginning that says, "Please be courteous and silence your babies now!"

[Napkiraly]

except some infants are just completely unreasonable, and the parents should know better than to bring them to a public place where they will cause disruption against other members of the public who have been paying to enjoy certain services such as at restaurants and movie theatres

No one is faulting the infants, its the fault of the parents

Those people can get fucked and deal with it. It's a baby. The mother isn't exactly happy about that either. She's sorry.

What more do you want?
I know what you want, but you're inherently unreasonable. You're a meme.

And quite selfish.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Babies fucking cry, its what they do they are damn babies, putting a fine on someone because their child screams is one of the most fucking idiotic things ive read in a long time.


"Some infants are completely unreasonable" They are fucking Infants.

[Jordkloden]

Kill the child, sterilize the parents.

I mean, there's really nothing to be done about it. It's just kinda whatever.

[Arlathan and the Dales]

While it might be irritating, that is life. It is okay provided someone has to accompany their infant and they couldn't get a babysitter or whatever. But I'd say it is less socially acceptable if it is in an optional place such as a restaurant or movie theater. If I have a baby to look after, I simply wouldn't ever go out to these places unless I have someone to watch them elsewhere or I wait until they're old enough to behave such as 6 years old or so.

hence why a fine ought to be imposed to make sure people are responsible

It is already hard enough to provide for a child money wise, so let's also slap them with fines to increase the costs! Brilliant! And then, as an added bonus of pure genius, those families who cannot afford to pay babysitters will now have to pay an inane and frivolous fine and now they will almost certainly not have enough to pay a sitter. Doubly brilliant!

Or you could just grow up and accept that the world doesn't cater to you and your clearly bizarre desires.

[Union Of Autocratic Empires]

Fining someone because their baby is crying in public is not okay. Babies cry all the time, and there's nothing its parents - or the government - can do aboout it.

[Australian rePublic]

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[Impireacht]

"All those babies. need is a bit of discipline!" *whips a line of babies*, "You gonna cry maggots, you gonna CRY?" *babies remain silent out of fear*

See?


Okay seriously I came here because this issue is so tame compared to a lot of the other ones in general, and both sides sorta make sense. (Or maybe it's not so tame, Vulkata got banned )
Babies are annoying, and private businesses that want a peaceful, quiet environment can enforce rules against it and deny service to people with babies. That's pretty much the only solution that isn't going to piss everyone off...

[Australian rePublic]

There are plenty of places to go to with your baby. Why wouldnyou go somewhere quiet where everyone else is an adult. Even if you wanted to do adult stuff, there are places you can go

[Arlathan and the Dales]

If you want to take your kids out, you don't go to a quiet, serene resturant, it's just common sense! You would take them to a fun park, or the football or something, where screaming is to be expected. Unfortunately people are stupid these days and therefore quiet places should step up and possibly ban kids or something.
Wait sorry, how old are the kids?

Ban children from restaurants. Brilliant. After all, children don't deserve to go anywhere but parks! Want to take the family out on a nice celebratory birthday dinner? Sorry folks, not if you have young kids that could potentially commit the heinous crime of crying. Stay home.

Why is it so hard for some people to realize babies cry and this is not a devastating and ruinous event?

[Union Of Autocratic Empires]

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[Republic of the Cristo]

what should they do, kill them?

babies cry. first they aren't crying then they are. you cant keep them home 24/7.

You can if you take responsible steps such as hiring a professional when you both need to be outside, if you can't afford it then maybe the state should subsidise some/all of the costs but that's a separate discussion

we have a collective interest in preventing unnecessary noise pollution. When a screaming infant is in a theatre, everybody else suffers. The law should prevent the exercise of selfishness.

Babies should not stay at home all the time, they need to go out into the world with their parents - it is essential for their development. And the state should not subsidize for nannies for this completely detrimental proposition. When a child is screaming in a theatre, the parent takes them out. I have never heard of a case were people were deeply and gravely affected by hearing a baby cry.

Truly, the only thing that is selfish here is that you demand that children be forced to stay at home only so that you can have a few more precious moments of relative quite.

[Arlathan and the Dales]

You can if you take responsible steps such as hiring a professional when you both need to be outside, if you can't afford it then maybe the state should subsidise some/all of the costs but that's a separate discussion

we have a collective interest in preventing unnecessary noise pollution. When a screaming infant is in a theatre, everybody else suffers. The law should prevent the exercise of selfishness.

Babies should not stay at home all the time, they need to go out into the world with their parents - it is essential for their development. And the state should not subsidize for nannies for this completely detrimental proposition. When a child is screaming in a theatre, the parent takes them out. I have never heard of a case were people were deeply and gravely affected by hearing a baby cry.

Truly, the only thing that is selfish here is that you demand that children be forced to stay at home only so that you can have a few more precious moments of relative quite.

Indeed. Especially in a theater, if a child is crying I have never seen or heard of an incident where the parent does not take them out to calm down. Restaurants, perhaps less so, but that is almost never a completely quite space like a theater is so I fail to see the issue if the do not.

[Infected Mushroom]

More annoying noises are often emitted from adults....
If bob can shout "Sup you m***********!" and proceed to body slam his friend in public, then a baby should be able to cry.

Movie theaters should just have a screen at the beginning that says, "Please be courteous and silence your babies now!"

and it should have the full backing and sanction of law

[Arlathan and the Dales]

More annoying noises are often emitted from adults....
If bob can shout "Sup you m***********!" and proceed to body slam his friend in public, then a baby should be able to cry.

Movie theaters should just have a screen at the beginning that says, "Please be courteous and silence your babies now!"

and it should have the full backing and sanction of law

No. No it shouldn't. At all, really. I get that you seem to like advocating banning or bringing law into whatever incident particularly annoyed you that day, but these are not grounds for legal intervention unfortunately.

[Jochizyd Republic]

Yes. Should be allowed. It can't be helped.

[Napkiraly]

More annoying noises are often emitted from adults....
If bob can shout "Sup you m***********!" and proceed to body slam his friend in public, then a baby should be able to cry.

Movie theaters should just have a screen at the beginning that says, "Please be courteous and silence your babies now!"

and it should have the full backing and sanction of law

Perhaps people shouldn't make any noises in public.

[Jochizyd Republic]

and it should have the full backing and sanction of law

Perhaps people shouldn't make any noises in public.

Don't encourage them.

[Arlathan and the Dales]

and it should have the full backing and sanction of law

Perhaps people shouldn't make any noises in public.

Or just any noises at all.

[Victorious Decepticons]

I'm with IM on this one. The idea that it's okay to subject others to volume levels that seem likely to damage hearing (in areas where such noises are NOT a typical part of the environment) - and on top of that, in a form that will make people's hair stand on end and totally ruin their ability to enjoy their surroundings - is ridiculous. My own solution would be to ban babies from such places.

There is NO need to take babies to movies or to restaurants that aren't set up to cater to young children. This is especially true in this day and age, where home entertainment centers are things and are often preferable to theaters anyway. The parents want to go out? Tough shit or hire a sitter. They decided to be parents; nobody made them do it. Therefore they should keep the bad results of their decision to themselves.

Why is it so hard for some people to realize babies cry and this is not a devastating and ruinous event?

Those of us with ears would prefer them to remain useful, and it is indeed a devastating and ruinous event to have noise blasted into them at ridiculous volumes. "Why is it so hard" for some people to realize that it is not okay to make other people miserable and that their little brat's horrendous racket is not something anyone else wants to listen to?

[Aelex]

Meh. If it's just a baby (0-3 years) screaming, well, that's life; just raise the sound of your ipod or talk a little bit louder with your friends, neither you nor the parents can do anything about it.
If it's a kid (4-10 years) throwing a tantrum, however, it should be the parents' duty than to swiftly resolve the problem by either talking the child back to reason or by spanking him so he learn how to behave in public.

[Arlathan and the Dales]

There is NO need to take babies to movies or to restaurants that aren't set up to cater to young children.

So, what? Children are now only allowed in parks and playgrounds? Can't take them out to eat and to enjoy things on the chance they may, perish the thought, cry? More than that, parents should be fined for not confining them indoors all day?

Those of us with ears would prefer them to remain useful, and it is indeed a devastating and ruinous event to have noise blasted into them at ridiculous volumes. "Why is it so hard" for some people to realize that it is not okay to make other people miserable and that their little brat's horrendous racket is not something anyone else wants to listen to?

Right, because a baby crying somewhere in the same building you are in is going to cause instant irreparable damage to hearing on par with firing a gun at a range without adequate protection.

Yes. It astounds me that there are people who are so selfish and unable to handle children that they want them banned from all places save parks and such, when it can be resolved quite easily resolved with the mother or father simply calming them down by briefly taking them outside or otherwise.

[Frank Zipper]

More people should read Marcus Aurelius.

[Legitimists]

Of course they should, they are a natural part of life. However as in all things use your judgement, sometimes people pay for spaces where they won't have to put up with hearing that for whatever reason. I knew some people who took their baby on a transatlantic flight.....first class, that's probably over the line.

[Grinning Dragon]

There is NO need to take babies to movies or to restaurants that aren't set up to cater to young children.

So, what? Children are now only allowed in parks and playgrounds? Can't take them out to eat and to enjoy things on the chance they may, perish the thought, cry? More than that, parents should be fined for not confining them indoors all day?

Those of us with ears would prefer them to remain useful, and it is indeed a devastating and ruinous event to have noise blasted into them at ridiculous volumes. "Why is it so hard" for some people to realize that it is not okay to make other people miserable and that their little brat's horrendous racket is not something anyone else wants to listen to?

Right, because a baby crying somewhere in the same building you are in is going to cause instant irreparable damage to hearing on par with firing a gun at a range without adequate protection.

Yes. It astounds me that there are people who are so selfish and unable to handle children that they want them banned from all places save parks and such, when it can be resolved quite easily resolved with the mother or father simply calming them down by briefly taking them outside or otherwise.

I wouldn't say it's selfish to expect a certain level of decorum when out and about at certain public venues, I myself think it should boil down to common sense as a parent to understand that their screamin' demon child has become a disruption and start thinking about a quick exit with said child til the child calms down. As a parent myself, we didn't go out all that often when our children were babies, if we don't care to hear a screamin' demon child, why would we expect others to put up with our screamin' demon children?

We have been to restaurants and other venues that have turned people away with very young children where such places cater to an age group of teenage children and up.
Do I support a flat out ban of young children from all restaurants and other places? NO. Do I support fines or other law enforcement penalties? NO. I do support common sense and a parent's ability to finally do the right thing and leave the area with the wailing child and return after the child has calmed down.