Transgendered Woman Sweeps Cisgendered Competitors in Sports

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Sometimes I wish time travel was possible, just so I could go back and find out if most issues in our modern society existed back then or if we're just suffering from Calhoun's Behavioral Sink...

A transwoman was mention in the Quran. It is theorized the Eunuch of Ethiopia (and many Eunuch's mentioned in the Bible) was a transwoman.

[Impireacht]

Heh. Okay, then... I guess my opinion has "no basis" in simple 7th grade biology.

Indeed. Your opinion is not based on "simple 7th grade biology", because "7th grade biology", last I checked, did not teach people the psychological, social and cultural intricacies of gender, and their relation with biology. Rather, it looks like your opinion is based on a biological essentialism that can only be sustained by willfully ignoring the disciplines that are actually dedicated to studying human gender.

I guess your parents didn't let you go to sex ed to learn about puberty.

Actually, they did. In fact, I had both annual subjects dedicated to adolescence, as well as occasional classes given by sexologists. With that said, while puberty and gender are related, I fail to see how human puberty could possibly validate your dismissal of trans people's genders.

I'm going to refuse to believe that humans have made a magical "gender potion" that can completely remove any physical differences besides genitalia.

There is no "magical gender potion", but there is a plethora of treatments that purposefully change certain physical aspects of trans people, in order to accomodate their bodies to their genders.

2nd point, I'm not dismissing their genders there. They can say they're whatever they want, whether others accept that is up to them, but if they want to claim a gender they're free to do so. I was using pubert to reference the biological differences...

[Neutraligon]

What does Latin, a dead language nobody speaks natively, have to do with any of this?

Spanish is a romance language, duh. Most languages in Europe with genders come from Latin, and got their genders from it.

And that is relevant how? Or are you claiming that table over there is female? Oh...by the way...latin had gender neutral verbs and nouns as well. First declension was typically feminine, second was masculine, third and after was...mixed.

[Liriena]

It is pure newspeak.

*Orwell violently rolls in his grave as yet another person on the internet conflates minor changes and critiques to the English language with the totalitarian nightmare he envisioned in 1984*

[Annorax]

You do know that psychiatry has a history of political abuse, especially in the former Soviet Union? It looks like they are at it again.

Show that it is doing so in this particular instance.

I am not an authoritative figure in psychiatry and I don't pretend to be.

Do you deny that psychiatry was used a political weapon in the Soviet Union? It is safe to say that being transgendered is not a mental illness but using what psychiatrists conclude as an argument in favor of or in opposition of transgender issues is irrelevant. It was not too long ago psychiatrists were treating transgender people for gender dysphoria.

[Neutraligon]

Indeed. Your opinion is not based on "simple 7th grade biology", because "7th grade biology", last I checked, did not teach people the psychological, social and cultural intricacies of gender, and their relation with biology. Rather, it looks like your opinion is based on a biological essentialism that can only be sustained by willfully ignoring the disciplines that are actually dedicated to studying human gender.


Actually, they did. In fact, I had both annual subjects dedicated to adolescence, as well as occasional classes given by sexologists. With that said, while puberty and gender are related, I fail to see how human puberty could possibly validate your dismissal of trans people's genders.


There is no "magical gender potion", but there is a plethora of treatments that purposefully change certain physical aspects of trans people, in order to accomodate their bodies to their genders.

2nd point, I'm not dismissing their genders there. They can say they're whatever they want, whether others accept that is up to them, but if they want to claim a gender they're free to do so. I was using pubert to reference the biological differences...

Which can and are changed when introduced to a mixture of different hormones/hormone blockers.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Do you deny that psychiatry was used a political weapon in the Soviet Union?

Since when is the USA the USSR? The USA and the USSR are very different countries.

[Salus Maior]

Sometimes I wish time travel was possible, just so I could go back and find out if most issues in our modern society existed back then or if we're just suffering from Calhoun's Behavioral Sink...

A transwoman was mention in the Quran. It is theorized the Eunuch of Ethiopia (and many Eunuch's mentioned in the Bible) was a transwoman.

Well, most eunuchs would not have had much choice in the matter of becoming eunuchs. But that's a conversation for another time.

[Neutraligon]

Show that it is doing so in this particular instance.

I am not an authoritative figure in psychiatry and I don't pretend to be.

Do you deny that psychiatry was used a political weapon in the Soviet Union? It is safe to say that being transgendered is not a mental illness but using what psychiatrists conclude as an argument in favor of or in opposition of transgender issues is irrelevant. It was not too long ago psychiatrists were treating transgender people for gender dysphoria.

I am unaware of why what happened in the soviet union is at all relevant here. Psychologists are those knowledgeable in the field, and they are supported by a multitude of studies. So again show that what you claimed is relevant in this particular case. Gender Dysphroia is being treated, as gender dysphoria has negative impacts on the individual, the same way depression has negative impacts on the individual; being trans does not.

[Senkaku]

If on hormone therapy, it seems fine. If not, no- but that's my basic instinct. It's possible I could turn out to be wrong. Honestly, given that this seems to be coming up more and more often, you'd think that someone would do some studies on it by now (perhaps there are and I just haven't seen them). Take trans men and trans women and do trials on them compared to cis people of the same gender, both with and without hormone therapy, and then we'd have some actual solid data to back up a conclusion.

[Annorax]

Do you deny that psychiatry was used a political weapon in the Soviet Union?

Since when is the USA the USSR? The USA and the USSR are very different countries.

Artfully dodged! Nice non answer are you running for President?

[Neutraligon]

Since when is the USA the USSR? The USA and the USSR are very different countries.

Artfully dodged! Nice non answer are you running for President?

I notice you have still not shown why what was done in the USSR is at any way relevant to the discussion (hence why I asked to show that abuse was the case here), and instead tried to side step the issue. Next time try not to be so hypocritical.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Since when is the USA the USSR? The USA and the USSR are very different countries.

Artfully dodged! Nice non answer are you running for President?

Its not a non-answer. You gave a non-argument and I called you on it. What is with Conservatives acting as if every benign point they make has to be treated as legitimate? Its not a valid comparison. The USA is not the USSR. The way the USSR, a totalitarian dictatorship where all science was done directly through the state, treated psychology has nothing to do with the way the USA, a democratic republic with private research institutions, treats psychology.

[Impireacht]

Sometimes I wish time travel was possible, just so I could go back and find out if most issues in our modern society existed back then or if we're just suffering from Calhoun's Behavioral Sink...

A transwoman was mention in the Quran. It is theorized the Eunuch of Ethiopia (and many Eunuch's mentioned in the Bible) was a transwoman.

Okay, cool. That disproves my behavioral sink theory, which makes me happy, cause it means that I'm less likely to have another human come around a corner screaming and trying to bite my head off, and the human population isn't doomed to suffer extinction or bottleneck.

[Annorax]

I am not an authoritative figure in psychiatry and I don't pretend to be.

Do you deny that psychiatry was used a political weapon in the Soviet Union? It is safe to say that being transgendered is not a mental illness but using what psychiatrists conclude as an argument in favor of or in opposition of transgender issues is irrelevant. It was not too long ago psychiatrists were treating transgender people for gender dysphoria.

I am unaware of why what happened in the soviet union is at all relevant here. Psychologists are those knowledgeable in the field, and they are supported by a multitude of studies. So again show that what you claimed is relevant in this particular case. Gender Dysphroia is being treated, as gender dysphoria has negative impacts on the individual, the same way depression has negative impacts on the individual; being trans does not.

Well if a political argument is being made with what psychiatrists say then I think its fair to air out all their dirty laundry. I think its safe to say if a psychiatrist agrees with your political bent than they are ok to use them as evidence but if they (when psychiatrists thought transgenders have mental illness) disagree they should be attacked.

[Annorax]

Artfully dodged! Nice non answer are you running for President?

Its not a non-answer. You gave a non-argument and I called you on it. What is with Conservatives acting as if every benign point they make has to be treated as legitimate? Its not a valid comparison. The USA is not the USSR. The way the USSR, a totalitarian dictatorship where all science was done directly through the state, treated psychology has nothing to do with the way the USA, a democratic republic with private research institutions, treats psychology.

Are you saying the U.S. government doesn't fund science?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

I am unaware of why what happened in the soviet union is at all relevant here. Psychologists are those knowledgeable in the field, and they are supported by a multitude of studies. So again show that what you claimed is relevant in this particular case. Gender Dysphroia is being treated, as gender dysphoria has negative impacts on the individual, the same way depression has negative impacts on the individual; being trans does not.

Well if a political argument is being made with what psychiatrists say then I think its fair to air out all their dirty laundry. I think its safe to say if a psychiatrist agrees with your political bent than they are ok to use them as evidence but if they (when psychiatrists thought transgenders have mental illness) disagree they should be attacked.

There are almost no modern psychiatrists that are of that opinion. The vast majority accept gender theory.

[Annorax]

Well if a political argument is being made with what psychiatrists say then I think its fair to air out all their dirty laundry. I think its safe to say if a psychiatrist agrees with your political bent than they are ok to use them as evidence but if they (when psychiatrists thought transgenders have mental illness) disagree they should be attacked.

There are almost no modern psychiatrists that are of that opinion. The vast majority accept gender theory.

BTW I am not a conservative, at least I don't consider myself to be...
Any who I agree with that position. At the same time when the government funds research the person(s) being funded has an incentive to tote the party line and do as they are told or risk losing their funding.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

Should people with very long legs also be banned from normal leagues for having an unfair advantage? The others won because they had a physical advantage of some form; what is the difference? If anything, adjust the time for people with any physical advantage to even it out.

[Impireacht]

Should people with very long legs also be banned from normal leagues for having an unfair advantage? The others won because they had a physical advantage of some form; what is the difference? If anything, adjust the time for people with any physical advantage to even it out.

Difference is having long legs is natural, changing genders is medical. So it's like steroids...

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

There are almost no modern psychiatrists that are of that opinion. The vast majority accept gender theory.

BTW I am not a conservative, at least I don't consider myself to be...
Any who I agree with that position. At the same time when the government funds research the person(s) being funded has an incentive to tote the party line and do as they are told or risk losing their funding.

Sooo... clearly the psychiatrists who's studies were funded during Republican administrations found different things? I don't believe that to be the case.

[Liriena]

Should people with very long legs also be banned from normal leagues for having an unfair advantage? The others won because they had a physical advantage of some form; what is the difference? If anything, adjust the time for people with any physical advantage to even it out.

Difference is having long legs is natural, changing genders is medical. So it's like steroids...

Except it's the exact opposite of stereoids. Trans women have the allegedly advantageous male physique from birth, and their transition acts against it.

[Eastern Equestria]

Had this occurred in a primary school competition, this'd pretty much be a non-issue. However, high school athletics in the US are taken very seriously as they're often the key to student athletes gaining admission into their college/university of choice. Simply put, the biology of transgender men and women imbalance the playing field of their respectively gendered sports. Therefore I'm in agreement with the others in this thread who've posited that these individuals should not be allowed to play amongst their similarly gendered peers unless they've first undergone sufficient hormone therapy.

[Giovenith]

Naturally born women shouldn't have to deal with this crap period. Same with the restrooms and everything else, I'm seriously feeling bad for women as these issues progress (and quietly thanking god I was born a male)

Kindly don't. If there's one thing that's exceedingly shitty about being a cisgendered woman these days, it's constantly having your existence lifted up as a damsel-in-distress in need of valiant protection from the wrath of the big bad progressive agenda. It's not helpful, it's patronizing garbage. I am not fucking intimidated or put down by transwomen sharing my presence and I don't need you or anyone else feeling sorry for me or trying to rescue me from it for my own good. I promise you, women do not find the "male physique" anywhere near as overwhelming, frightening, or "Eeeeek! A MAAAAN!" *collect skirts and flee gasping and moaning hysterically* as people like you seem to believe - don't flatter yourself. We get tied to far less train tracks by mustache-twirling fiends than you think.

With the prevalence of this white knight attitude flying around, I'm surprised that more people aren't surprised that women aren't afraid to leave the house.

[Annorax]

BTW I am not a conservative, at least I don't consider myself to be...
Any who I agree with that position. At the same time when the government funds research the person(s) being funded has an incentive to tote the party line and do as they are told or risk losing their funding.

Sooo... clearly the psychiatrists who's studies were funded during Republican administrations found different things? I don't believe that to be the case.

I am not talking about Republican administrations we don't have one now. Besides science is not a rigid thing or at least it is not supposed to be and it was not too long ago there was a different mode of thinking in that field.

The corruption in the U.S. government runs deep, maybe not as much as Mexico as an example but it is there and no one can deny it with a straight face. Why should I believe anything they say? I reached the conclusion that transgendered people are not mentally ill by looking into it myself not because some academic twit told me. That's why I don't buy the argument Psychiatrist X says so and so.