America's """Gun""" Problem...

[Tobiasia]

Prehaps instead of saying, oh well people die from other stuff, why don't we try and make the world just a little bit better. Those 200,000 people could have made a difference. It is the classic attitude of oh well might not bother, that has lead to thousands of deaths.

No. They're my guns. They're my gun rights. Fuck off.

See everyone? If we remove the right to own weapons that are designed to murder people then this attitude will not continue! Look, a basic equation is Guns+Angry People=Murders. If we remove Guns from the equation, it equals Angry People=Angry People, all we are left with is some Angry People, and do you know what, we can give them a tax break to make them happy! Because America will not have to spend so much money on it's police force! Or you could spend it on stuff that matters, like healthcare or education! Problem solved!

[Big Jim P]

Too bad, because my Constitution mandates I have a right to own a firearm and that isn't going to change because near every American agrees. Don't like it? Doesn't fucking matter, you're not an American.

Too bad, because your Constitution is enacted with the consent of the states, and with it the Constitution may be changed. If your Constitution was not in the first place enacted by the states acting upon the mandate of the people therein, it would have no legitimacy whatsoever.

Takes 3/4 of the States. Not going to happen.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No. They're my guns. They're my gun rights. Fuck off.

See everyone? If we remove the right to own weapons that are designed to murder people then this attitude will not continue! Look, a basic equation is Guns+Angry People=Murders. If we remove Guns from the equation, it equals Angry People=Angry People, all we are left with is some Angry People, and do you know what, we can give them a tax break to make them happy! Because America will not have to spend so much money on it's police force! Or you could spend it on stuff that matters, like healthcare or education! Problem solved!

lol

More people kill other people with their fists yearly than with long rifles and shotguns combined.

[Eisen Choras]

No. They're my guns. They're my gun rights. Fuck off.

See everyone? If we remove the right to own weapons that are designed to murder people then this attitude will not continue! Look, a basic equation is Guns+Angry People=Murders. If we remove Guns from the equation, it equals Angry People=Angry People, all we are left with is some Angry People, and do you know what, we can give them a tax break to make them happy! Because America will not have to spend so much money on it's police force! Or you could spend it on stuff that matters, like healthcare or education! Problem solved!

What if I told you that I do not need any weapons to kill a man, but rather my own hands?

Did you know that if you give an angry person a car he can kill another man with it; we call this road rage.

[Wolfundwood]

See everyone? If we remove the right to own weapons that are designed to murder people then this attitude will not continue! Look, a basic equation is Guns+Angry People=Murders. If we remove Guns from the equation, it equals Angry People=Angry People, all we are left with is some Angry People, and do you know what, we can give them a tax break to make them happy! Because America will not have to spend so much money on it's police force! Or you could spend it on stuff that matters, like healthcare or education! Problem solved!

lol

More people kill other people with their fists yearly than with long rifles and shotguns combined.

Back to the ban all guns, most guns used in crimes are obtained illegally. Criminals will criminal, really no matter fists or guns.

[Hyggemata]

No. They're my guns. They're my gun rights. Fuck off.

See everyone? If we remove the right to own weapons that are designed to murder people then this attitude will not continue! Look, a basic equation is Guns+Angry People=Murders. If we remove Guns from the equation, it equals Angry People=Angry People, all we are left with is some Angry People, and do you know what, we can give them a tax break to make them happy! Because America will not have to spend so much money on it's police force! Or you could spend it on stuff that matters, like healthcare or education! Problem solved!

Angry people can still smack and flail, though. Let's also ban anger!

In all seriousness, though, the ultimate purpose of government is to serve the nation, and the ultimate purpose of nationhood/statehood is collective security and happiness, because we already have full freedom as living beings. If some freedoms must be curtailed, and I am sure that such insensible manifestations of freedom like vivisection must be, then so they must, but only with the consent of the governed, for the common good.

[Big Jim P]

Actually in Britain we have a welfare state, and we have a much lower gun crime rate. A lack of gun control is the sick joke of America.

Gun deaths may be down, but is crime and homicide also down?

Yes. Hold on a sec and I'll find a source.

Here you go.

[Tobiasia]

lol

More people kill other people with their fists yearly than with long rifles and shotguns combined.

Back to the ban all guns, most guns used in crimes are obtained illegally. Criminals will criminal, really no matter fists or guns.

Then I suggest better rehab in prisons

[Washington Resistance Army]

See everyone? If we remove the right to own weapons that are designed to murder people then this attitude will not continue! Look, a basic equation is Guns+Angry People=Murders. If we remove Guns from the equation, it equals Angry People=Angry People, all we are left with is some Angry People, and do you know what, we can give them a tax break to make them happy! Because America will not have to spend so much money on it's police force! Or you could spend it on stuff that matters, like healthcare or education! Problem solved!

Angry people can still smack and flail, though. Let's also ban anger!

In all seriousness, though, the ultimate purpose of government is to serve the nation, and the ultimate purpose of nationhood/statehood is collective security and happiness, because we already have full freedom as living beings. If some freedoms must be curtailed, and I am sure that such insensible manifestations of freedom like vivisection must be, then so they must, but only with the consent of the governed, for the common good.

Fuck the common good, if I'm not infringing on anyone elses rights I should be free to do whatever the hell I want.

[Hyggemata]

Too bad, because your Constitution is enacted with the consent of the states, and with it the Constitution may be changed. If your Constitution was not in the first place enacted by the states acting upon the mandate of the people therein, it would have no legitimacy whatsoever.

Takes 3/4 of the States. Not going to happen.

Doesn't stop me from freaking out the Americans on NSG

[Hyggemata]

Fuck the common good

You've been sigged!

[Tobiasia]

The following is Europe's reaction to Americas gun problem:

Why can't they just sort it out with proper gun controls?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Fuck the common good

You've been sigged!

Thank you, I try.

#individualism

[Wolfundwood]

Takes 3/4 of the States. Not going to happen.

Doesn't stop me from freaking out the Americans on NSG

Truly accomplishing great things

[Wolfundwood]

Now back to Making America Great Again.

[Jolet]

Indeed. A person does not need to justify exercising a right. Those who would restrict anothers rights are the ones who have to provide the justification. Another place where the gun-grabbers fail.

I think the fundamental issue is that us evil "gun-grabbers" just don't see why it should be a right. I'm not in favor of terking teh gunz or whatever it is that gun nuts and the NRA are afraid of, though I do support regulations, but frankly when people just justify their gun ownership with "it's mah right", it makes me raise an eyebrow. I'm not convinced it should be a right, frankly. Not everything the Founding Fathers wrote down was terribly intelligent (see: black people count as 3/5ths of a white person).

Actually, the 3/5ths Compromise was a work of political appeasement. If you were to look up the context of it, you'd find that the South wanted to have all of its blacks count towards its population in the House of Representatives, which would have heavily unbalanced the rep count, which the North didn't like. Thus, the 3/5ths compromise was implemented, in order to keep things from getting too far out of hand. In fact, if memory serves the only reason slavery wasn't abolished at the founding of the country was the fact that the country was very, very poor and couldn't afford paying people. The race issue probably also played a part, but that grew more prevalent later. At its inception, the slavery question was a necessary evil, not intentional bigotry.

All that to say that the 3/5ths compromise was more than just shenanigans.

[Eisen Choras]

Now back to Making America Great Again.

That will start when I buy me an OT-64 SKOT and a Browning M2.

[Senkaku]

Fuck the common good

This attitude is selfish, short-sighted, and dangerous. But way to try to come across as edgy. 0/10, try harder next time.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

...yes, both of those things are pretty fucking totalitarian, and totalitarianism isn't fucking okay.

It isn't already happening. You'd be sacrificing thousands, millions of lives for this. Way more than would have been killed by the evil guns otherwise.

There is no cause to make such a presumption. Or may I also take a peek into your crystal ball?

Yes there is. Have you ever even been to America? US gun owners aren't going to hand over shit.

[Big Jim P]

Fuck the common good

This attitude is selfish, short-sighted, and dangerous. But way to try to come across as edgy. 0/10, try harder next time.

WRA is edgy now? I always though he was ballistic.

[Big Jim P]

There is no cause to make such a presumption. Or may I also take a peek into your crystal ball?

Yes there is. Have you ever even been to America? US gun owners aren't going to hand over shit.

We aren't involved in daily shootouts either, in spite of the medias attempt to portray that image.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

This attitude is selfish, short-sighted, and dangerous. But way to try to come across as edgy. 0/10, try harder next time.

WRA is edgy now? I always though he was ballistic.

Pretty sure he's an energy weapon.

[Eisen Choras]

WRA is edgy now? I always though he was ballistic.

Pretty sure he's an energy weapon.

Like a railgun or a Rea-gun?

[Hyggemata]

There is no cause to make such a presumption. Or may I also take a peek into your crystal ball?

Yes there is. Have you ever even been to America? US gun owners aren't going to hand over shit.

Yes I have been to the USA, countless times, in fact. I've been to Washington, Oregon, California, New York (incl. NYC), Pennsylvania, Maryland, Vermont, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Virginia, New Jersey, Delaware, Hawaii, and DC. I have gone to the States on academic pursuits, on commercial missions, and for leisure. I have entered by air, by rail, by highway, and by steamship.

None of the people that I met have ever used a gun as a courtesy gesture to me, except the border guards, that is. They just walk around the vehicle and look at their wrist watches.

[Philjia]

...yes, both of those things are pretty fucking totalitarian, and totalitarianism isn't fucking okay.

It isn't already happening. You'd be sacrificing thousands, millions of lives for this. Way more than would have been killed by the evil guns otherwise.

There is no cause to make such a presumption. Or may I also take a peek into your crystal ball?

The chances of America becoming a gun free state in my lifetime are the same as the chances of me abandoning social democracy in favour of communism, reactionary conservatism, or anarchism.