by Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:46 pm
by Nazeroth » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:47 pm
by Shaggy Dog Story » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:48 pm
by Wolfmanne2 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:48 pm
Mad hatters in jeans wrote:Yeah precipitating on everyone doesn't go down well usually. You seem patient enough to chat to us, i'm willing to count that as nice.
by Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:48 pm
Nazeroth wrote:Prepare for so many butthurt people to complain op
by Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:50 pm
Wolfmanne2 wrote:I was looking forward to this because as someone who is left-leaning I could agree with this sentiment. But than these links and the OP...
by Ostroeuropa » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:50 pm
Shaggy Dog Story wrote:Wasn't someone on Trump's staff investigated for assault?
by Shaggy Dog Story » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:51 pm
by Nazeroth » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:52 pm
by Great Feng » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:52 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:58 pm
Shaggy Dog Story wrote:So let me see if I can sum up:
Trump supporters aren't committing assaults!
Didn't his own campaign assault someone?
That doesn't count!
by Conserative Morality » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:06 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Being accused obviously means it happened. An anti-trump journalist accused a member of trumps campaign staff of assault, and they were investigated, not charged.
There's no actual evidence it happened.
by Ostroeuropa » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:09 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:Being accused obviously means it happened. An anti-trump journalist accused a member of trumps campaign staff of assault, and they were investigated, not charged.
There's no actual evidence it happened.
Right, except the video evidence of it.
This is why no one takes Trump supporters seriously.
by Moschetia » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:15 pm
by Caninope » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:15 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Shaggy Dog Story wrote:Wasn't someone on Trump's staff investigated for assault?
Don't conflate investigated with charged for one thing, for another;
That's due to the hypocrisy of the establishment. Most of the incidents on the Trump side of "Assault" and "Violence" are people attempting to move others by force, not attempting to actively injure and harm them.
Wrong? Yes.
Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.
Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.
by Ostroeuropa » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:17 pm
Caninope wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
Don't conflate investigated with charged for one thing, for another;
That's due to the hypocrisy of the establishment. Most of the incidents on the Trump side of "Assault" and "Violence" are people attempting to move others by force, not attempting to actively injure and harm them.
Wrong? Yes.
That is, by definition, assault.
by Great Feng » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:17 pm
Moschetia wrote:Trump is extremely dangerous, and the successfulness of his campaign is an embarrassment. The left (or whoever opposes Trump) retains their moral ground because he's an illiberal demagogue who shouldn't be a presidential candidate in the US.
Advocating violence against Trump supporters isn't justified. But "The Left" doesn't have a consensus on violence against Trump. Trump himself is the one who's come closest to advocating violence against opponents. Do we see Clinton Sanders or Romney offering to pay the legal fees of people who annoy their supporters?
by Nazeroth » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:17 pm
Moschetia wrote:Trump is extremely dangerous, and the successfulness of his campaign is an embarrassment. The left (or whoever opposes Trump) retains their moral ground because he's an illiberal demagogue who shouldn't be a presidential candidate in the US.
Advocating violence against Trump supporters isn't justified. But "The Left" doesn't have a consensus on violence against Trump. Trump himself is the one who's come closest to advocating violence against opponents. Do we see Clinton Sanders or Romney offering to pay the legal fees of people who annoy their supporters?
by Moschetia » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:21 pm
Nazeroth wrote:Moschetia wrote:Trump is extremely dangerous, and the successfulness of his campaign is an embarrassment. The left (or whoever opposes Trump) retains their moral ground because he's an illiberal demagogue who shouldn't be a presidential candidate in the US.
Advocating violence against Trump supporters isn't justified. But "The Left" doesn't have a consensus on violence against Trump. Trump himself is the one who's come closest to advocating violence against opponents. Do we see Clinton Sanders or Romney offering to pay the legal fees of people who annoy their supporters?
No they don't have "moral high ground" It's this type of thinking that is dangerous
" We can beat them up and it's excused because we think he is dangerous"
It's the same as stabbing Ceasar in the back and yelling "tyranny" based on conspiracy and paranoia.
by Great Feng » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:22 pm
Moschetia wrote:Nazeroth wrote:
No they don't have "moral high ground" It's this type of thinking that is dangerous
" We can beat them up and it's excused because we think he is dangerous"
It's the same as stabbing Ceasar in the back and yelling "tyranny" based on conspiracy and paranoia.
They have the moral high ground because Trump has no virtue.
by Caninope » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:23 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Caninope wrote:That is, by definition, assault.
Not under some circumstances. Notably the journalist incident, and several others, have a defense of others rationale. All of them also have defense of the constitutional right to freedom of assembly as a justification.
Forcibly removing people who are illegally in an area.
Agritum wrote:Arg, Caninope is Captain America under disguise. Everyone knows it.
Frisivisia wrote:Me wrote:Just don't. It'll get you a whole lot further in life if you come to realize you're not the smartest guy in the room, even if you probably are.
Because Caninope may be in that room with you.
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Thankfully, we have you and EM to guide us to wisdom and truth, holy one. :p
Norstal wrote:What I am saying of course is that we should clone Caninope.
by Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:24 pm
Moschetia wrote:Nazeroth wrote:
No they don't have "moral high ground" It's this type of thinking that is dangerous
" We can beat them up and it's excused because we think he is dangerous"
It's the same as stabbing Ceasar in the back and yelling "tyranny" based on conspiracy and paranoia.
They have the moral high ground because Trump has no virtue.
by Ostroeuropa » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:26 pm
Caninope wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
Not under some circumstances. Notably the journalist incident, and several others, have a defense of others rationale. All of them also have defense of the constitutional right to freedom of assembly as a justification.
Forcibly removing people who are illegally in an area.
The defense of the right to freedom of assembly is not a justification for battery under Florida law. There is no such defense under Florida Statue 748.03. As noted here, possible defenses include: self-defense, defense of others, defense of property, and mutual combat. None are particularly apt in this case.
It's also qualitatively different, and you know it as well as I do. The intent to injure is lacking, and were these incidents judged by an impartial judge, the ones with intent and premeditated planning to assault, who actively seeks out the victims, would be deemed worse.
The sides aren't equivalent, even if you don't accept the Trump supporters legal arguments for why what they do isn't assault.
by Benuty » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:26 pm
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