Should criminals who flee by vehicle be shot?

[Tsaraine]

No, summary execution without trial remains a bad idea and contrary to the ideals of justice and assumption of innocence upon which our judicial system is built.

You can't logically support police summarily killing fleeing criminals "because of the danger to other drivers" unless you also support police summarily killing anyone who drives badly. While the idea of shooting all boy racers appeals to me, it's a bad idea.

[Risottia]

But fleeing from police; at least in an automobile; also poses an imminent threat to public safety. Why not just shoot them?

And shooting on a road DOESN'T pose an even more imminent threat to public safety.
I wonder why we don't just mount recoilless 100mm AT guns on police cars.

[Barboneia]

We should just have gunships patrolling the skies 24/7 around large cities and highways, so then they can just blast the fuck out of anyone trying to flee. Collateral damage would probably be sky high, but it would be worth it for the sake of justice.

[Ochea]

Shooting them wouldn't end the threat to the public. On the contrary, a fast moving vehicle suddenly being deprived of an operator would probably put the public in more danger. Plus the police tend to be terrible shots and moving objects tend to be harder to shoot.

This is exactly what I addressed in my response! A helicopter would take the vehicle off the road so that it would not become a dangerous projectile.

[Conserative Morality]

I'd rather the predictable path of an automobile with a dead criminal than the unpredictable path of an automobile with someone crazy enough to run from the cops.

If anyone's going to have accurate aim, it's a police officer. They're not known for shooting themselves in the hand at gun shows like civilians do.

At close range in real life situations against stationary targets police generally have around ~50% accuracy.

That's damn good under pressure, but that also displays why firing their gun should be a cop's last resort. It only takes one missed shot to serious fuck someone's day.

[Greed and Death]

But fleeing from police; at least in an automobile; also poses an imminent threat to public safety. Why not just shoot them?

And shooting on a road DOESN'T pose an even more imminent threat to public safety.
I wonder why we don't just mount recoilless 100mm AT guns on police cars.

Those can miss they have guidance systems that will only hit the suspect's car.

[Conserative Morality]

And shooting on a road DOESN'T pose an even more imminent threat to public safety.
I wonder why we don't just mount recoilless 100mm AT guns on police cars.

Well, crime in general might not go down much but I bet there'd be a lot less speeding.

[Neutraligon]

Shooting them wouldn't end the threat to the public. On the contrary, a fast moving vehicle suddenly being deprived of an operator would probably put the public in more danger. Plus the police tend to be terrible shots and moving objects tend to be harder to shoot.

This is exactly what I addressed in my response! A helicopter would take the vehicle off the road so that it would not become a dangerous projectile.

That is assuming the police helicopter can target the correct car. Why do people assume the runaway car is alone on the road?

[Ifreann]

Shooting them wouldn't end the threat to the public. On the contrary, a fast moving vehicle suddenly being deprived of an operator would probably put the public in more danger. Plus the police tend to be terrible shots and moving objects tend to be harder to shoot.

This is exactly what I addressed in my response! A helicopter would take the vehicle off the road so that it would not become a dangerous projectile.

You idea is insane, though.

[Napkiraly]

But fleeing from police; at least in an automobile; also poses an imminent threat to public safety. Why not just shoot them?

And shooting on a road DOESN'T pose an even more imminent threat to public safety.
I wonder why we don't just mount recoilless 100mm AT guns on police cars.

Fuck it, why don't we just have cops ride around in tanks? *nod*

[Neutraligon]

This is exactly what I addressed in my response! A helicopter would take the vehicle off the road so that it would not become a dangerous projectile.

You idea is insane, though.

It would also interfere with places like airports.

[Napkiraly]

Shooting them wouldn't end the threat to the public. On the contrary, a fast moving vehicle suddenly being deprived of an operator would probably put the public in more danger. Plus the police tend to be terrible shots and moving objects tend to be harder to shoot.

This is exactly what I addressed in my response! A helicopter would take the vehicle off the road so that it would not become a dangerous projectile.

Shooting from a helicopter is not as easy as COD would have you believe.

[Ifreann]

And shooting on a road DOESN'T pose an even more imminent threat to public safety.
I wonder why we don't just mount recoilless 100mm AT guns on police cars.

Fuck it, why don't we just have cops ride around in tanks? *nod*

Can't afford the diesel.

[Ochea]

This is exactly what I addressed in my response! A helicopter would take the vehicle off the road so that it would not become a dangerous projectile.

That is assuming the police helicopter can target the correct car. Why do people assume the runaway car is alone on the road?

The helicopter would be targeted by a computer. Humans can mess up and have bad aim, but a computer can identify the run away car and send a helicopter to lift it off the road.

[Napkiraly]

1)Fleeing from the authorities implies guilt, 2)is in and of itself a crime, 3)and implies a willingness to commit further crimes. Anyone fleeing from police should be a legitimate target. Not to use any heated terminology or w/e.

1) Depends on the circumstances.
2) And?
3) And?

None of those three justify using armed force.

[Miarie]

Because cops have garbage accuracy and out of control vehicles aren't fun.

If they were to give the cops TOWs I think neither would be a problem.

Probably not a good idea until the police department becomes less corrupt and stops losing Humvees and other military gear.

[Napkiraly]

Fuck it, why don't we just have cops ride around in tanks? *nod*

Can't afford the diesel.

Just slash welfare and education funding. It's the American way after all.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

And shooting on a road DOESN'T pose an even more imminent threat to public safety.
I wonder why we don't just mount recoilless 100mm AT guns on police cars.

Fuck it, why don't we just have cops ride around in tanks? *nod*

Because the army is having a fire sale on M-raps, not tanks. : ' )

[Ifreann]

That is assuming the police helicopter can target the correct car. Why do people assume the runaway car is alone on the road?

The helicopter would be targeted by a computer. Humans can mess up and have bad aim, but a computer can identify the run away car and send a helicopter to lift it off the road.

The more you tell us the more insane this sounds.

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If they were to give the cops TOWs I think neither would be a problem.

Probably not a good idea until the police department becomes less corrupt and stops losing Humvees and other military gear.

How do you lose a Humvee?

[Neutraligon]

That is assuming the police helicopter can target the correct car. Why do people assume the runaway car is alone on the road?

The helicopter would be targeted by a computer. Humans can mess up and have bad aim, but a computer can identify the run away car and send a helicopter to lift it off the road.

Again you are assuming the computer can target a moving object that will likely be changing directions frequently, make use of underpasses, and will be near other cars and people.

Are you a controls engineer or computer scientist?

[Napkiraly]

Fuck it, why don't we just have cops ride around in tanks? *nod*

Because the army is having a fire sale on M-raps, not tanks. : ' )

Build more tanks, improve the economy. Win.

[Ochea]

I actually had an Issue to address that was a lot like this. This wasn't completely my idea.

[Christ the Redeemer]

Yes, blow up their cars. -Christ

[Barboneia]

Probably not a good idea until the police department becomes less corrupt and stops losing Humvees and other military gear.

How do you lose a Humvee?

You park it somewhere and forget where exactly.

[Ifreann]

The helicopter would be targeted by a computer. Humans can mess up and have bad aim, but a computer can identify the run away car and send a helicopter to lift it off the road.

Again you are assuming the computer can target a moving object that will likely be changing directions frequently, make use of underpasses, and will be near other cars and people.

And pick it up with magnets.

And fly it to prison.