Eleven States sue over federal Transgender Bathroom policy

[Unified Governments]

Utter horseshit. What's going on here is people are trying to butcher the standard for restrooms from being based on biological sex to being based on gender. If you're trying to completely redefine the standard of something then you're obviously going to meet a lot of resistance. Suddenly actual biological sex no longer matters. We're going by what people say they feel like.

And sigh, I mean ears, not ass. I hate typing on my phone.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

"This link to a random wiki will refute your entire argument"

Thanks, m8.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, I am not the one crying about "fucking SJWs pushing their ideas down my throat" while what they said was "can you prove to me that you aren't talking out of your ass, since you happen to disagree with a vast amount of evidence from the psychological community?"

I'm far less surprised by it than you are, honestly. We've had here in the U.S. black people demanding to be in the same facilities as white people. Were they "uppity niggers who just don't know their place and asking for special rights and treatment" too? Although, one point I'd like to mention is, I think we should abolish gendered restrooms altogether and make them all unisex. Much simpler.

It really, really doesn't answer my question, since you are saying that as soon as someone asks for accommodations (or, according to you, "special rights") they can't have any because they're just being uppity X challenging your little conceptions about the world.

No. You rather are whining about "fucking reactionnary alt-righters" when someone is taking a jape at people thinking that their feeling somehow make an argument and simply asking you why should gender dysphoria, a recognized mental disorder, be treated differently than any other kind of mental disorder. And it is much better for you, somehow.

Race is something demonstrably false. Sex isn't. Therefore, while race segregated bathroom were always based on nothing but discrimination; regular ones are based on physical differences.

Good strawman you built here, mate. But what I'm saying is that when someone is suffering from what is classified as a kind of mental disorder by the O.M.S is asking for being given access to a bathroom he don't belong to on the ground that he feel that he DO belong to it, we shouldn't accept it and change the way we're doing.

Point out to me where am I ragging on about "fucking reactionary alt-righters". Further, point out to me where I have called you one. Go ahead. I will wait patiently.

Race segregated bathrooms are discriminatory. Sex-segregated bathrooms are based upon our need to have order in things and categorize things accordingly. I have two bathrooms in my house which I share with my sisters and women who come to this house. There's no intrinsic purpose to have in my house a separated women's restroom. Do you have two restrooms, one for men and one for women, in your place? If not, then restrooms are not this magical "men's only" or "women's only" place you seem to imagine they are.

So basically, let's keep doing things the same way we've been doing them? That's your argument?

[Aelex]

Utter horseshit. What's going on here is people are trying to butcher the standard for restrooms from being based on biological sex to being based on gender. If you're trying to completely redefine the standard of something then you're obviously going to meet a lot of resistance. Suddenly actual biological sex no longer matters. We're going by what people say they feel like.

And sigh, I mean ears, not ass. I hate typing on my phone.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

Ho "rational" wiki, the left wing equivalent of metapedia; diantre, it almost sound like someone has a rather extremist viewpoint not even traditionnaly leftist wiki such as wikipedia are willing to entertain!

[Grave_n_idle]

Trans people aren't asking for extra rights. They are asking for the same rights, the right to shit according to their gender identity just like everyone else.

Except people are granted the right to shit into the bathroom that match their phenotypical sex, not their gender. Because while the former is something easy to access and to verify, the latter is so inconstant that some describe themselves as "gender-fluid".

In what way is phenotypical sex easy to access and verify?

I feel you're about to wander into a quagmire.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I am a man, who identifies as a man. But good job at trying to paint something that's not there.

Weren't you the one who just said a message ago that you find me distasteful for using cheap potshots? Whatever happened to that? Did you just suddenly become a hypocrite at your own game?

It's amusing to see how you desperately grasp at straws to undermine me, while also criticizing my style of arguing and at the same time engaging in the same cheap tactics you accuse me of using.

How is it a strawman exactly mate?
You're asking me why we should be continuing to base our bureaucracy on phenotypical sex rather than genders; I'm simply responding to you that any doctor can access your phenotypical sex while your gender is nothing but how you feel.
Feel free to point to me how exactly I'm twisting your argument here, or else your whole rant would quite seem out of place.

I'm not saying you are twisting my argument.

But from how it read, apparently you are assuming I don't even know what gender I am. If you are going to label me as someone who takes cheap potshots, refrain from doing the same. At least then you'll have some sort of high ground. So far, you don't. Don't even begin to pretend like you do.

[Vassenor]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

"This like to a random wiki will refute your entire argument"

Thanks, m8.

You're saying that we must continue to do something for no other reason than "but that's how we've always done it". That is Appeal to Tradition in a nutshell.

[Keshokif]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

Ho "rational" wiki, the left wing equivalent of metapedia; diantre, it almost sound like someone has a rather extremist viewpoint not even traditionnaly leftist wiki such as wikipedia are willing to entertain!

So are you saying you'd rather it were on Irrational Wiki?

Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

[Aelex]

Point out to me where am I ragging on about "fucking reactionary alt-righters". Further, point out to me where I have called you one. Go ahead. I will wait patiently.

Race segregated bathrooms are discriminatory. Sex-segregated bathrooms are based upon our need to have order in things and categorize things accordingly. I have two bathrooms in my house which I share with my sisters and women who come to this house. There's no intrinsic purpose to have in my house a separated women's restroom. Do you have two restrooms, one for men and one for women, in your place? If not, then restrooms are not this magical "men's only" or "women's only" place you seem to imagine they are.

So basically, let's keep doing things the same way we've been doing them? That's your argument?

Point out to me where I'm calling anyone a "damn S.J.W". Further, point out to me where i have called you one.
Go ahead. I will wait patiently.

Is your house a public place? Do more than hundred if not thousand of people use your bathroom each day? No? Damn, it sound like you're just doing one more of your famous faulty comparison, thus. :/

No. Rather let's not entertain people suffering from mental disorders into thinking that they're healty.

[Unified Governments]

Except people are granted the right to shit into the bathroom that match their phenotypical sex, not their gender. Because while the former is something easy to access and to verify, the latter is so inconstant that some describe themselves as "gender-fluid".

In what way is phenotypical sex easy to access and verify?

I feel you're about to wander into a quagmire.

In what way is it easy to access and verify if a person is truly transitioning?

I feel like you're about to wander into a quagmire.

[Grave_n_idle]

Utter horseshit. What's going on here is people are trying to butcher the standard for restrooms from being based on biological sex to being based on gender.

These 'standards' you talk about are not traditional.

Historically, toilet facilities have not tended to be gendered at all (biologically or otherwise), or have been privately owned (and not been gendered).

Your rebuttal about standards was utter horseshit. Ironically.

[Genivaria]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

Ho "rational" wiki, the left wing equivalent of metapedia; diantre, it almost sound like someone has a rather extremist viewpoint not even traditionnaly leftist wiki such as wikipedia are willing to entertain!

What I'm not willing to entertain is retarded conspiracy theories in place of argument.

[Aelex]

I'm not saying you are twisting my argument.

But from how it read, apparently you are assuming I don't even know what gender I am. If you are going to label me as someone who takes cheap potshots, refrain from doing the same. At least then you'll have some sort of high ground. So far, you don't. Don't even begin to pretend like you do.

No. It was a general "you". You weren't targeted particularly.

[Unified Governments]

"This like to a random wiki will refute your entire argument"

Thanks, m8.

You're saying that we must continue to do something for no other reason than "but that's how we've always done it". That is Appeal to Tradition in a nutshell.

No, I'm saying we should continue to do it because it is far better than basing bathrooms off of what a person happens to feel like they are.

[Keshokif]

You're saying that we must continue to do something for no other reason than "but that's how we've always done it". That is Appeal to Tradition in a nutshell.

No, I'm saying we should continue to do it because it is far better than basing bathrooms off of what a person happens to feel like they are.

What about using bathrooms with no distinction for gender?

(*mind=blown*)

[Grave_n_idle]

In what way is phenotypical sex easy to access and verify?

I feel you're about to wander into a quagmire.

In what way is it easy to access and verify if a person is truly transitioning?

Was the question too hard to answer, or did you just realise that answering it would make your argument look bad?

Asking me to defend a claim I didn't make is not a rebuttal.

[Genivaria]

Utter horseshit. What's going on here is people are trying to butcher the standard for restrooms from being based on biological sex to being based on gender.

These 'standards' you talk about are not traditional.

Historically, toilet facilities have not tended to be gendered at all (biologically or otherwise), or have been privately owned (and not been gendered).

Your rebuttal about standards was utter horseshit. Ironically.

Can we please just have unisex restrooms already?
I really is the only logical solution and I hate that women get 2 and men have to fight over the 1 fucking stall at my work.
Get off your phone jackass I have to shit.

[Unified Governments]

Utter horseshit. What's going on here is people are trying to butcher the standard for restrooms from being based on biological sex to being based on gender.

These 'standards' you talk about are not traditional.

Historically, toilet facilities have not tended to be gendered at all (biologically or otherwise), or have been privately owned (and not been gendered).

Your rebuttal about standards was utter horseshit. Ironically.

I never claimed they were traditional. In fact, I never even said it. I'm rather confused as to why you would try and refute something I never said.

[Unified Governments]

No, I'm saying we should continue to do it because it is far better than basing bathrooms off of what a person happens to feel like they are.

What about using bathrooms with no distinction for gender?

(*mind=blown*)

The slippery slope continues.

[Genivaria]

You're saying that we must continue to do something for no other reason than "but that's how we've always done it". That is Appeal to Tradition in a nutshell.

No, I'm saying we should continue to do it because it is far better than basing bathrooms off of what a person happens to feel like they are.

Unisex restrooms, boom problem solved.

[Aelex]

So are you saying you'd rather it were on Irrational Wiki?

Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_tradition

No. Just that like I would disregard any article coming from a stereotypically far-right wiki like Metapedia, I feel no remorses disregarding any article coming from a stereotypically left-right wiki like rational wiki.

Also, that would have been a better counter-argument to U.G's point than what Vassenor did.

[Keshokif]

What about using bathrooms with no distinction for gender?

(*mind=blown*)

The slippery slope continues.

Oh, it's a slippery slope now! I get it. So now, it's not just new ideas that the Right finds horrifying, but age-old ideas too.

[Unified Governments]

In what way is it easy to access and verify if a person is truly transitioning?

Was the question too hard to answer, or did you just realise that answering it would make your argument look bad?

Asking me to defend a claim I didn't make is not a rebuttal.

No, it isn't easy to access and verify.

But that's not the point. I was using your own argument against you in order to show how utterly stupid it was.

Your snarkiness does not change the stupidity.

[Unified Governments]

The slippery slope continues.

Oh, it's a slippery slope now! I get it. So now, it's not just new ideas that the Right finds horrifying, but age-old ideas too.

"the Right"

Heh. You know, on certain issues I'm very liberal. Liberal in a traditional sense, not the authoritarian US Democratic sense.

[Keshokif]

Oh, it's a slippery slope now! I get it. So now, it's not just new ideas that the Right finds horrifying, but age-old ideas too.

"the Right"

Heh. You know, on certain issues I'm very liberal. Liberal in a traditional sense, not the authoritarian US Democratic sense.

Yes. Hence why I said 'the Right'.

[Ifreann]

I remember when this was the argument against gay marriage. "But it's not discrimination, men are allowed marry women and women are allowed marry men! Perfectly fair!" How'd that work out for you?

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Well, it's new in that historically people used the one bathroom, regardless of their genitalia. It's obvious how it's discriminatory. Before no, no one cared about the genitals of the people in the bathroom with them, except people just there for the glory holes. But with trans rights movements getting more public attention, suddenly states feel that there is a pressing need to pass laws changing men's and women's rooms into penis and vagina rooms, respectively. There can be no question that the entire aim of these laws is to discriminate against trans people.

Just whose head are you saying is up their own ass?

Utter horseshit. What's going on here is people are trying to butcher the standard for restrooms from being based on biological sex to being based on gender. If you're trying to completely redefine the standard of something then you're obviously going to meet a lot of resistance. Suddenly actual biological sex no longer matters. We're going by what people say they feel like.

Biological sex never mattered. Appearance mattered, in that someone who looked like a man would be questioned about their presence in the women's room, and vice versa. But appearance doesn't always correlate to sex, especially today when people start on hormones in their early teens and can get surgery to change the shape of their face and what have you. It's possible that you've already shared a bathroom with a dude with a vagina and didn't notice a thing.

And sigh, I mean ears, not ass. I hate typing on my phone.

Ah, I know the feeling. I'd remember that between their ass one, I thought it was clever.