Free Speech or Social Justice

[Frenline Delpha]

40% of Gamergate identifying as either strongly or moderately socialist "Could mean anything." Okay.

The alt-right is a thing, but you've not done anything to show Gamergate is a part of the alt-right. Rather, you've just asserted it.

Alright, I'll give you a few examples.

Sargon of Akkad and Christopher Hitchens identify as having a few socialist ideas towards fiscal policy. Fiscal and social beliefs can be separate. Plus, I should clarify, I'm trying to say Gamergate is a extension of the alt-right, a vessel where /pol/ recruits others. My personal opinion? I'm surprised people care. Some girl cheated on a guy and made people who write about games write clickbait articles about her shitty game. It's a waste of time.

Gotta ignore that evidence to reach that claim, don't you?

[Heidisteinian Fempire]

Alright, I'll give you a few examples.

Sargon of Akkad and Christopher Hitchens identify as having a few socialist ideas towards fiscal policy. Fiscal and social beliefs can be separate. Plus, I should clarify, I'm trying to say Gamergate is a extension of the alt-right, a vessel where /pol/ recruits others. My personal opinion? I'm surprised people care. Some girl cheated on a guy and made people who write about games write clickbait articles about her shitty game. It's a waste of time.

Gotta ignore that evidence to reach that claim, don't you?

Show me something not from Breitbart or Twitter or 4chan. I'm pretty lenient on accepting evidence.

Fun fact: Most people harden their opinions when presented with evidence. If I find the study, I'll share it. Very interesting one.

EDIT: Gotta ignore my previous example, huh?

[Asigna]

Free speech.

I may be a progressivist but freedom is always ideal. People just have to be educated of their responsibility on how to use it responsibly.

Compassion can't be enforced by policy, it has to be a popular, sincere and consensual initiative.

[Hirota]

how do you know it was a right winger?

I'd assume people who are so scared of these opinions are to the rights.

And you assume poorly.

Instead of naively swallowing the narrative bullshit make an effort to look into the facts. It makes you look gullible at best.

[Heidisteinian Fempire]

I'd assume people who are so scared of these opinions are to the rights.

And you assume poorly.

Instead of naively swallowing the narrative bullshit make an effort to look into the facts. It makes you look gullible at best.

Not counting third way or alt-right politics, sure.

Welcome to the SJW Sewer, have a cup of tea!

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YRDpRPw7sE

[Hirota]

Welcome to the SJW Sewer, have a cup of tea!

No thanks, I'm too right wing obviously.

[Ostroeuropa]

40% of Gamergate identifying as either strongly or moderately socialist "Could mean anything." Okay.

The alt-right is a thing, but you've not done anything to show Gamergate is a part of the alt-right. Rather, you've just asserted it.

Alright, I'll give you a few examples.

Sargon of Akkad and Christopher Hitchens identify as having a few socialist ideas towards fiscal policy. Fiscal and social beliefs can be separate. Plus, I should clarify, I'm trying to say Gamergate is a extension of the alt-right, a vessel where /pol/ recruits others. My personal opinion? I'm surprised people care. Some girl cheated on a guy and made people who write about games write clickbait articles about her shitty game. It's a waste of time. The only reason I care, and it's a pretty important reason to me (you guys can not care), is that it makes more kids, vulnerable adults and kids, turn to a pretty scary flavor of right wing politics. It's a gateway. Gamergateway.

It's not merely fiscal policy. They are liberals, just not progressives.

You've got the cause and effect backwards. What causes gamergate to have some overlap with the alt-right is that they are exposed to progressives opposing them.
Progressives are the biggest factor in fueling far-right sentiment.
Gamergate doesn't make more people buy into the alt-right.
SJWs do.

Just ask them. Just ask us. Balkens sig is about it too. You honestly can't see it, can you, that the behavior and ideology of the modern progressive lefts champions and institutions is so repugnant to so many people that an increasing number of people would rather throw their lot in with the white nationalists.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/05/23/how ... tionalism/
http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/30/the ... t-support/
https://therationalists.org/2016/03/23/ ... alt-right/
(This one is even hostile to us, but specifically:

Entertaining the complaints of the Progressive Left has made arguments from identity politics a legitimate area of discussion, and the Alt Right are capitalising on that by presenting the anti-white agenda of the SJWs as proof of an attack on white people…because it is. The question of whether this attack has teeth is irrelevant. The Progressive Left have used liberal guilt to advance an agenda that is focused largely around racism and advocacy against whites, and that has been instrumental in the coalescing and growth of the Alt Right to position themselves as advocates for whites.

)

A few links for you.


The rise of the far-right in europe is another expression of the phenomana of people getting sick of progressivism and deciding "Fuck it."

From 2014 to 2015, the number of active Klu Klux Klan chapters in the United States grew from 72 to 190, a massive increase for a group so closely associated with hatred.

But nevermind, you proudly identify as an SJW. The actual effect your movements rhetoric and policy demands have had on society doesn't matter.
You even allude to your mentality in your post. You just can't see that it isn't some kind of quarantine leak or censorship failure and oh no, they heard the badidea, so they've turned into racists, it's people drawing the same conclusions independently of one another after having had conversations with progressives and having seen the way they behave, the ideology that drives them etc.

You know the mens rights movement?
Similar thing.
We don't need to go around proselytizing to gain converts. We just sit and wait for mainstream feminists to barge in to some new community and start alienating the fuck out of everyone, and soon enough a flood of traffic arrives, like clockwork.

But go ahead. Keep doing your thing the same way, i'm sure it'll all work out in the end.

Basically, you're wrong, and if you're actually worried about the growth of the far-right, you should stop doing things that directly contribute to its rise.

If you go around whipping up tribalist and racist mentalities in minority communities and marshalling them against white people, don't be surprised when white people up and decide they need to defend themselves.

[Heidisteinian Fempire]

Welcome to the SJW Sewer, have a cup of tea!

No thanks, I'm too right wing obviously.

I'm definitely more authoritarian than you are, according to the pre-2010s method of the political compass. I really dislike those spicy /pol/ memes, and I like, close my eyes and look away from the screen!

[Gauthier]

Reminds me of this.

Like I need a reminder that both sides are terrible.

God I hate sounding like the fucking balance fallacy.

Oh look, Social Justice represented as a stereotypical overweight belligerent bull dyke. How original.

[Atlanticatia]

I'd assume people who are so scared of these opinions are to the rights.

And you assume poorly.

Instead of naively swallowing the narrative bullshit make an effort to look into the facts. It makes you look gullible at best.

Okay, you might be socially libertarian, but you don't seem like a social/cultural progressive. It's not about just having the government/business/academia take a 'hands off' approach on moral issues, it's about actively shaping the public discourse and our laws to ensure an equitable and progressive society.

You can't have 'justice' if one of the sides of the scales are tipped towards one side in the first place. Social justice is about equity, because not everyone is at the same starting point. We can't be blind to race, gender, etc -- we need to acknowledge these social constructs and change society to dismantle these unequal power structures.

Be progressive, don't be libertarian.

[Hirota]

Oh look, Social Justice represented as a stereotypical overweight belligerent bull dyke. How original.

Oh look, Gauthier sticking his nose in with a post that contributes nothing whatsoever. How original.

I'm definitely more authoritarian than you are

Thats obvious, and fairly normal amongst regressive left ideologues that have more in common with the far-right than the center-left

[Heidisteinian Fempire]

Alright, I'll give you a few examples.

Sargon of Akkad and Christopher Hitchens identify as having a few socialist ideas towards fiscal policy. Fiscal and social beliefs can be separate. Plus, I should clarify, I'm trying to say Gamergate is a extension of the alt-right, a vessel where /pol/ recruits others. My personal opinion? I'm surprised people care. Some girl cheated on a guy and made people who write about games write clickbait articles about her shitty game. It's a waste of time. The only reason I care, and it's a pretty important reason to me (you guys can not care), is that it makes more kids, vulnerable adults and kids, turn to a pretty scary flavor of right wing politics. It's a gateway. Gamergateway.

It's not merely fiscal policy. They are liberals, just not progressives.

You've got the cause and effect backwards. What causes gamergate to have some overlap with the alt-right is that they are exposed to progressives opposing them.
Progressives are the biggest factor in fueling far-right sentiment.
Gamergate doesn't make more people buy into the alt-right.
SJWs do.

Just ask them. Just ask us. Balkens sig is about it too. You honestly can't see it, can you, that the behavior and ideology of the modern progressive lefts champions and institutions is so repugnant to so many people that an increasing number of people would rather throw their lot in with the white nationalists.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/05/23/how ... tionalism/
http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/30/the ... t-support/
https://therationalists.org/2016/03/23/ ... alt-right/
(This one is even hostile to us, but specifically:

Entertaining the complaints of the Progressive Left has made arguments from identity politics a legitimate area of discussion, and the Alt Right are capitalising on that by presenting the anti-white agenda of the SJWs as proof of an attack on white people…because it is. The question of whether this attack has teeth is irrelevant. The Progressive Left have used liberal guilt to advance an agenda that is focused largely around racism and advocacy against whites, and that has been instrumental in the coalescing and growth of the Alt Right to position themselves as advocates for whites.

)

A few links for you.


The rise of the far-right in europe is another expression of the phenomana of people getting sick of progressivism and deciding "Fuck it."

From 2014 to 2015, the number of active Klu Klux Klan chapters in the United States grew from 72 to 190, a massive increase for a group so closely associated with hatred.

But nevermind, you proudly identify as an SJW. The actual effect your movements rhetoric and policy demands have had on society doesn't matter.
You even allude to your mentality in your post. You just can't see that it isn't some kind of quarantine leak or censorship failure and oh no, they heard the badidea, so they've turned into racists, it's people drawing the same conclusions independently of one another after having had conversations with progressives and having seen the way they behave, the ideology that drives them etc.

You know the mens rights movement?
Similar thing.
We don't need to go around proselytizing to gain converts. We just sit and wait for mainstream feminists to barge in to some new community and start alienating the fuck out of everyone, and soon enough a flood of traffic arrives, like clockwork.

But go ahead. Keep doing your thing the same way, i'm sure it'll all work out in the end.

Basically, you're wrong, and if you're actually worried about the growth of the far-right, you should stop doing things that directly contribute to its rise.

If you go around whipping up tribalist and racist mentalities in minority communities and marshalling them against white people, don't be surprised when white people up and decide they need to defend themselves.

You admitted yourself that some of the links that you posted are hostile to your progressive views.

Think of it like this, alright? You think a few people like you are kinda annoying, so you hang out with people who hate your guts. Believe me, I've been there. I used to be from /pol/. I considered myself a marxist, but looking back, I was not a marxist. All my friends were right-wing, a few were full on nazis who espoused anti-colored rhetoric, BUT IT WAS A JOKE! Spicy memes hit again. I was not a marxist, because I thought pickelhaubes were cool, because I insulted women, because I was disrespectful to minorities to the point where I actually believed that they deserved pain. I tentatively agreed with white supremacists because I thought the SJWs were annoying. These people had me around to make them look better. They were not my friends. They would have put me in a gas chamber faster than you can say "Gotterdamnung."

It made no sense. Why did I, someone who supposedly held progressive views, spout crappy "fat feminist hate" memes and support a harassment campaign? It's a narrative more common than one would think, at least the backbone of it is common.

If you go around whipping up tribalist and racist mentalities in minority communities and marshalling them against white people, don't be surprised when white people up and decide they need to defend themselves.

How lovely. "Defending the white race" sounds very familiar.

[New Edom]

how do you know it was a right winger?

I'd assume people who are so scared of these opinions are to the rights.

Well Heidi, you know me a bit. I'm not really right wing though annoyingly I keep geting lumped with them because I at least somewhat care about families and moral issues though I have all my life been pro women's rights, pro minority rights, pro LGBT rights. I am just not knee jerk in favour of whatever the cause of the day is and try to weigh it historically and pragmatically. It gets tiresome at times.

So I listen to these people raging and getting their facts wrong, unscientific, ahistorical, and they are exasperating. It is not the overal CAUSEs that are a probelm, it is how they are carried out, the analysis, the ideas that are criticized and should be criticized. Being objective is sometiems vitally necessary on both sides, and soemtiems the right is right and the left is wrong and vice versa.

[Heidisteinian Fempire]

I'd assume people who are so scared of these opinions are to the rights.

Well Heidi, you know me a bit. I'm not really right wing though annoyingly I keep geting lumped with them because I at least somewhat care about families and moral issues though I have all my life been pro women's rights, pro minority rights, pro LGBT rights. I am just not knee jerk in favour of whatever the cause of the day is and try to weigh it historically and pragmatically. It gets tiresome at times.

So I listen to these people raging and getting their facts wrong, unscientific, ahistorical, and they are exasperating. It is not the overal CAUSEs that are a probelm, it is how they are carried out, the analysis, the ideas that are criticized and should be criticized. Being objective is sometiems vitally necessary on both sides, and soemtiems the right is right and the left is wrong and vice versa.

If you strip gamergate down to bare bones, journalism ethics is a decent cause. Once you add on that these websites are mostly clickbait sites, it becomes a bit petty. Once you add harassment, it becomes a bit fucked up.

[Ostroeuropa]

How lovely. "Defending the white race" sounds very familiar.

I'm sure it does.

I'm not addressing the rest of your post because you for some reason think i'm a progressive, when i'm certainly not, and you didn't appear to actually understand it, and from the fact you prove my point by thinking the quoted part is sufficient rebuttal.

[Heidisteinian Fempire]

How lovely. "Defending the white race" sounds very familiar.

I'm sure it does.

I'm not addressing the rest of your post because you for some reason think i'm a progressive, when i'm certainly not, and from the fact you prove my point by thinking the quoted part is sufficient rebuttal.

You are not a progressive.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm sure it does.

I'm not addressing the rest of your post because you for some reason think i'm a progressive, when i'm certainly not, and from the fact you prove my point by thinking the quoted part is sufficient rebuttal.

You are not a progressive.

I agree, so then why did you say this:

You admitted yourself that some of the links that you posted are hostile to your progressive views.

It also shows you didn't bother to read any of the links to learn what they are about.

[Gauthier]

Oh look, Social Justice represented as a stereotypical overweight belligerent bull dyke. How original.

Oh look, Gauthier sticking his nose in with a post that contributes nothing whatsoever. How original.

But a drawing of crass if not misogynistic stereotyping is "contributing". Cute.

[Heidisteinian Fempire]

You are not a progressive.

I agree, so then why did you say this:

You admitted yourself that some of the links that you posted are hostile to your progressive views.

It also shows you didn't bother to read any of the links to learn what they are about.

I read the first one. Very skeevy article.

[Heidisteinian Fempire]

Oh look, Gauthier sticking his nose in with a post that contributes nothing whatsoever. How original.

But a drawing of crass if not misogynistic stereotyping is "contributing". Cute.

I like you.

[Ostroeuropa]

I agree, so then why did you say this:



It also shows you didn't bother to read any of the links to learn what they are about.

I read the first one. Very skeevy article.

So you're just going to ignore the overall point and how everything you've said so far about how your opponents work has been wrong.

They aren't right wing, and they aren't attracted to the alt-right because of the rhetoric of the alt-right, but rather, because of the behavior of progressives and all of them will tell you so.

You're also not going to bother saying why it's "Skeevy."

[Atlanticatia]

Oh look, Gauthier sticking his nose in with a post that contributes nothing whatsoever. How original.

But a drawing of crass if not misogynistic stereotyping is "contributing". Cute.

Hey, using the term 'misogynist' is misandrist to all the oppressed men.

[Heidisteinian Fempire]

But a drawing of crass if not misogynistic stereotyping is "contributing". Cute.

Hey, using the term 'misogynist' is misandrist to all the oppressed men.

Yeah, my fedora is shaking ;-;

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh look, Gauthier sticking his nose in with a post that contributes nothing whatsoever. How original.

But a drawing of crass if not misogynistic stereotyping is "contributing". Cute.

Hey, using the term 'misogynist' is misandrist to all the oppressed men.

Yeah, my fedora is shaking ;-;

It's great when you can capture these moments. Italicized by me.