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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:36 pm

Hirota wrote:
Galiantus VII wrote:"social" justice is different than justice.
Reminds me of this.

Like I need a reminder that both sides are terrible.

God I hate sounding like the fucking balance fallacy.
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Postby Heidisteinian Fempire » Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:26 pm

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Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:1. Yes it is. I believe that joking about rape and calling women inferior is wrong.

2. I love how right-wingers beg for free speech, then take it away when they are in power. Plus, Milo seems like the guy who can't debate without ad-hominem.

You must be the fucking life of the party. And I don't need morality police, thank you very much.

Yeah, I am. Anytime you want to chill, I'm welcome to do so.
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Postby Heidisteinian Fempire » Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:27 pm

Hirota wrote:
Galiantus VII wrote:"social" justice is different than justice.
Reminds me of this.

What's with Gamergrease and really edgy memes?
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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:44 pm

Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:

What's with Gamergrease and really edgy memes?


what.

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Postby Heidisteinian Fempire » Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:45 pm

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Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:What's with Gamergrease and really edgy memes?


what.

Right wingers like to insult appearances and exaggerate opinions.

I could easily do the same.
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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:50 pm

Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:
The balkens wrote:
what.

Right wingers like to insult appearances and exaggerate opinions.

I could easily do the same.


how do you know it was a right winger?

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Postby Heidisteinian Fempire » Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:52 pm

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Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:Right wingers like to insult appearances and exaggerate opinions.

I could easily do the same.


how do you know it was a right winger?

I'd assume people who are so scared of these opinions are to the rights.
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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:53 pm

Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:
The balkens wrote:
how do you know it was a right winger?

I'd assume people who are so scared of these opinions are to the rights.


Not scared but think that they are outright insane.

and no, not all of them are to the right.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:54 pm

Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:
The balkens wrote:
how do you know it was a right winger?

I'd assume people who are so scared of these opinions are to the rights.


So you pre-judge them before you actually know. That's nice.

If you bothered to actually check you'd see that the majority of gamergate voted for Obama.
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Postby Grand Eurassia » Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:59 pm

You technically can have free speech and social justice. Using BLM is a horrible example because they are just a mindless bullies who think yelling at everything will solve their "problems"
For christ sakes they interuppted Bernie Sanders of all things. Bernie! Their greatest chance at fixing things. They would interupt MLK.Jr if they had the chance...
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:03 pm

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1FIfsGj ... wanalytics

Gamergate Survey.

Note that they are people of color and LGBT are disproportionately represented compared to the amount of them in the population, which is also true of the MRM.

Gamergate also leans to the left and liberal. (The MRM conversely, is split about 50/50 between left and right economics, but still socially liberal.)

The narrative being pushed about them is a straight up lie by disingenuous propagandists.

The NotYourShield hashtag is an expression of this.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:10 pm

Milo has once again been censored by SJWs.
They called in a bomb threat to UCLA where he was speaking.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... mb-threat/

They also previously have called in bomb threats to the MRM attempting to meet, and to Gamergate events.
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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:14 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Milo has once again been censored by SJWs.
They called in a bomb threat to UCLA where he was speaking.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... mb-threat/

They also previously have called in bomb threats to the MRM attempting to meet, and to Gamergate events.


Really?

Then again, breitbart, but i wouldnt doubt it if it was true.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 02, 2016 4:19 pm

The balkens wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Milo has once again been censored by SJWs.
They called in a bomb threat to UCLA where he was speaking.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... mb-threat/

They also previously have called in bomb threats to the MRM attempting to meet, and to Gamergate events.


Really?

Wow.


It's a common theme throughout the history of feminism as a movement and social justice as a movement in general.
It killed Erin Pizzeys (The founder of the first domestic violence shelter for women) dog for daring to suggest men were victims of domestic violence and needed help too and threatened her until she left the country. Bomb threats are common too, especially at MRM events or events that go against the feminist narrative and aren't traditionalist religion (The only opponent they actually feel comfortable fighting.)

In general, a lot of SJWs will do anything they can to intimidate people into silence and maintain a monopoly on discourse. If the implicit threats don't work they try explicit. If explicitly threatening to get you fired and socially isolated doesn't work, out come the death threats.

You shouldn't be surprised. Remember all the shit they constantly accuse their opponents of, and remember DARVO and rule 2 (I think it's rule 2.) from the book on how to deal with these people.

SJWs always project.


The Gamergate surveys also show that Women gamergaters were disproportionately targetted for rape, death threats, and harassment by opponents of gamergate. The same is anecdotally true of the MRM.

Again, not surprising once you know how these people think.

It's a totalitarian ideology. Anything that threatens the monopoly SJWs have on discourse will receive threats, censorship, etc. Milo traveling the country to bring up all their flaws as a movement has to be censored. He can't be argued with, because he's right.

Notice they don't spend most of their time these days protesting anti-gay or anti-women establishment figures, but are busy trying to maintain their grip on left wing institutions from an insurrection.

The westboro baptist church doesnt' get bomb threats from them every time it organizes, because it doesn't provoke an existential crisis for the SJWs.
But the MRM, Milo, and Gamergate do.

It shows the threats are coming out not because of the "Hate speech" bullshit, but as a means to try and maintain power and a monopoly over institutions.

DARVO:
Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender. A behavior of perpetrators of wrongdoing (especially sexual offenders), when accused of attacking their victim, reversing the roles of victim and offender.


Notably, the thing that kicked off Gamergate was a post by a male compalining about his domestically abusive girlfriend and her links to a corrupt journalism industry. SJWs sided, naturally, with the woman and said she was a victim of abuse from the mean old internets and her ex-boyfriend. DARVO.

The press doesn't report on it, because it has a certain narrative it likes to portray and this goes against it, and many journalists are themselves SJWs.

You can also take notice of the similarities between a lot of their narrative about their opponents and an "Anti-semitic canard." (From wiki.)
Michael Curtis has pointed out that no other group of people in the world has been charged simultaneously with:

alienation from society and cosmopolitanism;
being isolationists and intermingling with other people;
being capitalist exploiters and agents of international finance, and also revolutionary marxists;
having a materialistic mentality and being people of the Book;
acting as militant aggressors, and being cowardly pacifists;
adhering to a superstitious religion and being agents of secularism;
upholding a rigid law while also being morally decadent;
being a chosen people, and having an inferior human nature;
being both arrogant and timid;
emphasizing individualism and yet upholding communal adherence.
being guilty of the crucifixion of Christ, and blamed for the invention of Christianity.
Curtis points out that this catalogue of contradictory accusations cannot possibly be true and no single people could feasibly have such a total monopoly on evil.


Say what you want about Anti-SJWs, but their narrative about what SJWs are is consistent and internally coherent.
The fixation with white males in combination with the anti-semitic canard thing suggests it's just anti-white male prejudice fueling the movement.

Now, there's a difference between SJWs and progressives, arguably. But the latter don't really have conrtol over any institutions anymore, and certain no media clout, and are unlikely to in the future.
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Postby Heidisteinian Fempire » Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:48 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1FIfsGjI5gNSqkxs71nse9yGP1aOzPva5d-DVwovqHOQ/viewanalytics

Gamergate Survey.

Note that they are people of color and LGBT are disproportionately represented compared to the amount of them in the population, which is also true of the MRM.

Gamergate also leans to the left and liberal. (The MRM conversely, is split about 50/50 between left and right economics, but still socially liberal.)

The narrative being pushed about them is a straight up lie by disingenuous propagandists.

The NotYourShield hashtag is an expression of this.

LGBT in this case does not really matter, as Milo is gay himself. Left can mean anything, as Obama has run in elections before /pol/ was a thing, and Zimmerman voted for Obama as well.

It's called "Alt-right".
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:12 pm

Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1FIfsGjI5gNSqkxs71nse9yGP1aOzPva5d-DVwovqHOQ/viewanalytics

Gamergate Survey.

Note that they are people of color and LGBT are disproportionately represented compared to the amount of them in the population, which is also true of the MRM.

Gamergate also leans to the left and liberal. (The MRM conversely, is split about 50/50 between left and right economics, but still socially liberal.)

The narrative being pushed about them is a straight up lie by disingenuous propagandists.

The NotYourShield hashtag is an expression of this.

LGBT in this case does not really matter, as Milo is gay himself. Left can mean anything, as Obama has run in elections before /pol/ was a thing, and Zimmerman voted for Obama as well.

It's called "Alt-right".


40% of Gamergate identifying as either strongly or moderately socialist "Could mean anything." Okay.

The alt-right is a thing, but you've not done anything to show Gamergate is a part of the alt-right. Rather, you've just asserted it.
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Postby Frenline Delpha » Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:19 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:LGBT in this case does not really matter, as Milo is gay himself. Left can mean anything, as Obama has run in elections before /pol/ was a thing, and Zimmerman voted for Obama as well.

It's called "Alt-right".


40% of Gamergate identifying as either strongly or moderately socialist "Could mean anything." Okay.

The alt-right is a thing, but you've not done anything to show Gamergate is a part of the alt-right. Rather, you've just asserted it.

But you should listen and believe. And they say feminism hasn't become a religion.
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Postby The Althing Confederacy » Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:21 pm

FREE SPEACH!!!
Social "justice" has so far proven itself unjust by their authoritarian attitudes and tactics.

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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:27 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:LGBT in this case does not really matter, as Milo is gay himself. Left can mean anything, as Obama has run in elections before /pol/ was a thing, and Zimmerman voted for Obama as well.

It's called "Alt-right".


40% of Gamergate identifying as either strongly or moderately socialist "Could mean anything." Okay.

The alt-right is a thing, but you've not done anything to show Gamergate is a part of the alt-right. Rather, you've just asserted it.

Damn lefties

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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 02, 2016 8:42 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
40% of Gamergate identifying as either strongly or moderately socialist "Could mean anything." Okay.

The alt-right is a thing, but you've not done anything to show Gamergate is a part of the alt-right. Rather, you've just asserted it.

Damn lefties


What the fuck just happened?

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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:01 pm

The balkens wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:Damn lefties


What the fuck just happened?

What

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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:02 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
The balkens wrote:
What the fuck just happened?

What


what

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Postby Noraika » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:02 pm

The balkens wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:What


what

What
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Postby Frenline Delpha » Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:02 pm

The balkens wrote:
Kelinfort wrote:What


what

Bada, bada, bada, bow.
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Postby Heidisteinian Fempire » Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:17 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Heidisteinian Fempire wrote:LGBT in this case does not really matter, as Milo is gay himself. Left can mean anything, as Obama has run in elections before /pol/ was a thing, and Zimmerman voted for Obama as well.

It's called "Alt-right".


40% of Gamergate identifying as either strongly or moderately socialist "Could mean anything." Okay.

The alt-right is a thing, but you've not done anything to show Gamergate is a part of the alt-right. Rather, you've just asserted it.

Alright, I'll give you a few examples.

Sargon of Akkad and Christopher Hitchens identify as having a few socialist ideas towards fiscal policy. Fiscal and social beliefs can be separate. Plus, I should clarify, I'm trying to say Gamergate is a extension of the alt-right, a vessel where /pol/ recruits others. My personal opinion? I'm surprised people care. Some girl cheated on a guy and made people who write about games write clickbait articles about her shitty game. It's a waste of time. The only reason I care, and it's a pretty important reason to me (you guys can not care), is that it makes more kids, vulnerable adults and kids, turn to a pretty scary flavor of right wing politics. It's a gateway. Gamergateway.
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