Free Speech or Social Justice

[The balkens]

They have an NS page?

Balky!


Also, NS is getting more popular, so maybe some day politicians having NS pages will be the norm. Whether it's good or bad is debatable, but one thing's for sure: It'd be controversial.

heh, i doubt it.

[Great Feng]

Balky!


Also, NS is getting more popular, so maybe some day politicians having NS pages will be the norm. Whether it's good or bad is debatable, but one thing's for sure: It'd be controversial.

heh, i doubt it.

Why so?
It's getting slowly and surely quite popular.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Gotta love some good ol' direct action.

[Minzerland]

I understood that you think she's a liar on no basis other than she's a woman.

You should substantiate a claim prior to claiming something, you should know, you saw it fit to hound others for evidence.

Otherwise this is a Strawman.

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

The part about him being awful is but all the other stuff about his career and his activities on and off line are true.



You disagree with facts? And it isnt a news site, it's a fucking wiki.



No. Quoting Conservapedia is like quoting the Onion.

I say this as a fan and occasional reader of RationalWiki, but quoting RW is like quoting the Onion.

Neither even make an attempt to hide being biased.

Thank you for restoring some sense of sanity.

[Heidisteinian Fempire]

What's wrong with social justice?

When someone does something wrong, they must be corrected. Milo has very wrong opinions.

[Geattland]

Free speech doesn't shield you from criticism, while social justice silences you for your opinion.

Neither.

I'm sorry, what EVIL SJW has prevented you from voicing your opinion? Or are you one of those snowflake types that think all criticism is censorship?

...did you even read my statement?

[Grinstead]

Freedom of speech.

[The Lone Alliance]

They have an NS page?

Of course they have a NS page.


And back on topic apparently the college where this happened now has 14,000 1 star reviews on facebook... Wow.

[Herskerstad]

They have an NS page?

Of course they have a NS page.


And back on topic apparently the college where this happened now has 14,000 1 star reviews on facebook... Wow.

I would certainly rate their security 1 star.

[Hirota]

Says the guy accusing a woman of faking death threats against her.

Actually, as far as I know she hasn't claimed there are death threats - thats the press inventing those allegations (and if you actually take the time to read Ostro's post instead of pulling this strawman bullshit you constantly indulge in, you'd see he hasn't said nothing about faked death threats). It's happened before - BBC Newsnight in the UK had a piece on it titled “Jess Phillips on Twitter threats” - She even admitted in this piece that there were no threats as such. It's a classic case of the media spinning fabrications - and naive individuals such as yourself ignorantly swallowing the lies. The reality is that she turned someone saying they would not rape her into an insult on her attractiveness, and equated that insult into harassment. Maybe you could argue that there is an element of dogpiling, which you might call harassment, but claims of it being 5000 "threats" appear widely inaccurate estimates.

EDIT: Actually, if this headline is her own words, (although the headline doesn't match the body of text) then yes, she is a liar. It's hilarious when she compares herself to the the actual, credible, real rape threats that Stella Creasey suffered. Apparently saying you won't rape someone is raping someone now?

I understood that you think she's a liar on no basis other than she's a woman.

I've taken the time to actually look through her mentions for the word "rape", and all her mentions in the period for death threats (and they are all here in one handy location too). There isn't any threats of committing either. Go ahead and look, if I and others that have looked are wrong, go ahead point it out.

And then, of course if you can find evidence anyone can be demonstrated to have carried out death threats, then you'd also have to demonstrate they are at least as credible as her death threat. It seems there is an element of double standards to ostensibly threaten to stab someone, and then get outraged when someone supposedly threatens violence.

[United States of Conner]

What's wrong with social justice?

When someone does something wrong, they must be corrected. Milo has very wrong opinions.

A) Whether an opinion is right or wrong isn't for you, or anyone else, to decide.

B) Even if he is wrong, such opinions should be challenged via free and open debate, not by shouting someone down and grabbing the mic from them at an event they paid for, and certainly not by some dystopian "correction" that your post sounds like it entails.

Anyways, as for the topic, if campus security refused to remove disruptors from an event that the College Republicans paid for, and especially when they were forced to pay an extra $1,000 in security fees, then Milo/Breitbart/College Republicans should be refunded and apologized to. Or maybe just hold the event again with a guarantee of actual security.

[Heidisteinian Fempire]

What's wrong with social justice?

When someone does something wrong, they must be corrected. Milo has very wrong opinions.

A) Whether an opinion is right or wrong isn't for you, or anyone else, to decide.

B) Even if he is wrong, such opinions should be challenged via free and open debate, not by shouting someone down and grabbing the mic from them at an event they paid for, and certainly not by some dystopian "correction" that your post sounds like it entails.

Anyways, as for the topic, if campus security refused to remove disruptors from an event that the College Republicans paid for, and especially when they were forced to pay an extra $1,000 in security fees, then Milo/Breitbart/College Republicans should be refunded and apologized to. Or maybe just hold the event again with a guarantee of actual security.

1. Yes it is. I believe that joking about rape and calling women inferior is wrong.

2. I love how right-wingers beg for free speech, then take it away when they are in power. Plus, Milo seems like the guy who can't debate without ad-hominem.

[Kelinfort]

What's wrong with social justice?

When someone does something wrong, they must be corrected. Milo has very wrong opinions.

A) Whether an opinion is right or wrong isn't for you, or anyone else, to decide.

B) Even if he is wrong, such opinions should be challenged via free and open debate, not by shouting someone down and grabbing the mic from them at an event they paid for, and certainly not by some dystopian "correction" that your post sounds like it entails.

Anyways, as for the topic, if campus security refused to remove disruptors from an event that the College Republicans paid for, and especially when they were forced to pay an extra $1,000 in security fees, then Milo/Breitbart/College Republicans should be refunded and apologized to. Or maybe just hold the event again with a guarantee of actual security.

I disagree with A, there are opinions that are clearly factually inaccurate. I can call people on stupidity and ignorance whenever I feel like it.

For example, say I believe the earth is the center of the universe. My opinion is provably wrong. Others decided it was incorrect on empirical evidence. Therefore, my opinion is wrong.

[MERIZoC]

It's really not funny. Though they have a post about me on their NS page and it is adorbs.

They have an NS page?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Amcal wrote it lol.

[Frenline Delpha]

A) Whether an opinion is right or wrong isn't for you, or anyone else, to decide.

B) Even if he is wrong, such opinions should be challenged via free and open debate, not by shouting someone down and grabbing the mic from them at an event they paid for, and certainly not by some dystopian "correction" that your post sounds like it entails.

Anyways, as for the topic, if campus security refused to remove disruptors from an event that the College Republicans paid for, and especially when they were forced to pay an extra $1,000 in security fees, then Milo/Breitbart/College Republicans should be refunded and apologized to. Or maybe just hold the event again with a guarantee of actual security.

1. Yes it is. I believe that joking about rape and calling women inferior is wrong.

2. I love how right-wingers beg for free speech, then take it away when they are in power. Plus, Milo seems like the guy who can't debate without ad-hominem.

You must be the fucking life of the party. And I don't need morality police, thank you very much.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I believe that joking about rape and calling women inferior is wrong.

You must be the fucking life of the party.

Are you fucking kidding.

That's disgusting. Like, holy shit. That's really infuriatingly fucked up.

[The Romulan Republic]

Conservatives try to create false dichotomy between free speech and social justice to scare people into abandoning social justice.

[Frenline Delpha]

You must be the fucking life of the party.

Are you fucking kidding.

That's disgusting. Like, holy shit. That's really infuriatingly fucked up.

I like jokes... therefore, I am a horrible person.

[The balkens]

Are you fucking kidding.

That's disgusting. Like, holy shit. That's really infuriatingly fucked up.

I like jokes... therefore, I am a horrible person.

No, just a woman hating racist transphobe!

Wont someone think of the virgin ears!?

THE VIRGIN....EAAAARRRRS.

[New Edom]

Conservatives try to create false dichotomy between free speech and social justice to scare people into abandoning social justice.

No. There are too many progressives turning on liberals or moderates who don't actually disagree with them on values but who have suggested that they might be wrong about specific ideas about activism or application about their ideas, and they do so viciously. They can't tell friend from foe.

[Galiantus VII]

Conservatives try to create false dichotomy between free speech and social justice to scare people into abandoning social justice.

"social" justice is different than justice. If you have to describe it by adding an adjective, it is clearly somewhat different. Social justice is based on the idea that we have to put everyone in classes based on race, skin color, gender, etc. and punish these groups based on historical problems between the groups. Thus "social" justice isn't justice at all - it's another way to play the victim game.

And as for your allegation about conservatives trying to "create a false dichotomy", seriously? I am a conservative and I see no dichotomy between the two. The problem isn't free speech versus social justice; the problem is that a group of people among the social justice movement see no problem acting like children, throwing tantrums, and generally trying to silence opposite views. SJW's can have their own meetings and push their agendas as they please (they have free speech too, you know), but when they try and silence others they have crossed a line, and I hope law enforcement has the balls to enforce real justice and take them out of the venue.

[Hirota]

"social" justice is different than justice.

Reminds me of this.

[Grinstead]

"social" justice is different than justice.

Reminds me of this.

Stop being racistosexoislamoblackiphobic!

[Galiantus VII]

"social" justice is different than justice.

Reminds me of this.

LOL YES!