Austrian right-wing candidate barely loses..

[Wolfmanne2]

What's wrong with pan-germanism?
It seems a sensible step toward a united europe to support regional and linguistic unifications in the intermediary. All of the arguments in favor of the EU can be applied in favor, and almost none of those against.

Pan-Germanism today is unfortunately rather heavily rooted in the pan-German ideals the Nazis espoused and propagated as a corruption of the identity that was unifying the German states, which do survive.

Reminder, 9/10 of the working class in Austria voted for the far-right candidate.
The working classes are clearly not impressed with what a bunch of Marxist academics and virtue signalling middle class people have done to their political parties, nor the smug condescension with which their concerns have been dismissed for decades.

No, nine out of ten manual workers supported the FPO, and their support was mostly limited to the rural regions of the east.

This is not "90% of the working class", Ostro.
Can you fucking stop with the "Marxist academics" bullshit now? It's fucking tiresome.

Bah IR, it's all propaganda from gynocentric-neoliberal synthesis.

[Imperializt Russia]

Pan-Germanism today is unfortunately rather heavily rooted in the pan-German ideals the Nazis espoused and propagated as a corruption of the identity that was unifying the German states, which do survive.
No, nine out of ten manual workers supported the FPO, and their support was mostly limited to the rural regions of the east.

This is not "90% of the working class", Ostro.
Can you fucking stop with the "Marxist academics" bullshit now? It's fucking tiresome.

Marxism is a direct link to neoliberalism.

In the sense that the neoliberal thinkers looked at Marxism, how Marxism was applied in the Soviet Union, thought "fuck no" and came up with neoliberalism as a complete antithesis.

[Southeastern Xiatao]

Though I have no knowledge of how elections work in Europe and have no idea what going on in European politics (especially Austrian politics), I will have to say that I am glad that Austria didn't vote for a right-wing candidate to become its leader. To be fair nationalism is something that Europe doesn't need especially today. Just look what happened to Germany in World War II and what's happening to Russia with its own nationalists.

[Questers]

What's wrong with pan-germanism?

Aren't you British?

You ought to be ashamed of yourself son.

[Geilinor]

Marxism is a direct link to neoliberalism.

In the sense that the neoliberal thinkers looked at Marxism, how Marxism was applied in the Soviet Union, thought "fuck no" and came up with neoliberalism as a complete antithesis.

Ostro complains about neoliberals and Marxist academics in the same sentence. He finds boogeymen like "feminism" and goes on and on about them.

[Vassenor]

What's wrong with pan-germanism?

Aren't you British?

You ought to be ashamed of yourself son.

Isn't the entire House of Windsor German though?

[Imperializt Russia]

Aren't you British?

You ought to be ashamed of yourself son.

Isn't the entire House of Windsor German though?

...
Get out

Strictly no, the old monarchies of Europe were all just cousins of each other.

[The East Marches]

What's wrong with pan-germanism?

Aren't you British?

You ought to be ashamed of yourself son.

I thought the English were derived from the Germanic tribes that invaded back in the day?

[Vassenor]

Aren't you British?

You ought to be ashamed of yourself son.

I thought the English were derived from the Germanic tribes that invaded back in the day?

As well as the Vikings. And the Normans. And all the people who still have Celtic blood.

[Wolfmanne2]

In the sense that the neoliberal thinkers looked at Marxism, how Marxism was applied in the Soviet Union, thought "fuck no" and came up with neoliberalism as a complete antithesis.

Ostro complains about neoliberals and Marxist academics in the same sentence. He finds boogeymen like "feminism" and goes on and on about them.

Oh gosh, horror.

The femimarxist-neoliberal synthesis.

[Questers]

Aren't you British?

You ought to be ashamed of yourself son.

Isn't the entire House of Windsor German though?

[Questers]

edit: doublepost

[Novus America]

Aren't you British?

You ought to be ashamed of yourself son.

Isn't the entire House of [Saxe-Coburg and Gotha] German though?

Yeah but they changed the name to sound more British.

[Imperializt Russia]

Ostro complains about neoliberals and Marxist academics in the same sentence. He finds boogeymen like "feminism" and goes on and on about them.

Oh gosh, horror.

The femimarxist-neoliberal synthesis.

Horseshoe theory is real!

[The East Marches]

I thought the English were derived from the Germanic tribes that invaded back in the day?

As well as the Vikings. And the Normans. And all the people who still have Celtic blood.

At least they aren't as ugly as the Scots. The whole vikings thing seems to add up as the North of England was filled trolly looking types. I was a bit scared to be honest.

[Wolfmanne2]

Oh gosh, horror.

The femimarxist-neoliberal synthesis.

Horseshoe theory is real!

I might actually write a factbook article on it tbh.

[Ostroeuropa]

Ostro complains about neoliberals and Marxist academics in the same sentence. He finds boogeymen like "feminism" and goes on and on about them.

Oh gosh, horror.

The femimarxist-neoliberal synthesis.

Hey, if you want to explain to me a bunch of people using the press to whine more about culture than class, you're free to do so.
I put it down to them being middle class, university educated, and those universities being frankfurt school-marxist dominated.
As in, they stopped thinking class was the main thing, but they're still marxists, because marxism is a way of looking at the world. It's not necessarily tied to economic class politics, and has been used to frame inter-demographic relations instead of inter-class ones.
But it's still marxism.

Because it's not hostile to capitalist interests and allows the "Progress" to occur without threatening the rich, it's supported.

[Dushan]

Hey, if you want to explain to me a bunch of people using the press to whine more about culture than class, you're free to do so.
I put it down to them being middle class, university educated, and those universities being frankfurt school-marxist dominated.
As in, they stopped thinking class was the main thing, but they're still marxists, because marxism is a way of looking at the world. It's not necessarily tied to economic class politics, and has been used to frame inter-demographic relations instead of inter-class ones.
But it's still marxism.

Because it's not hostile to capitalist interests and allows the "Progress" to occur without threatening the rich, it's supported.

I am actually curious about this. For me, when I think Marxism, I'd see a Memorial for Marx and Lenin put in stone with red flags around it in some east European Marxist-Leninist Dictatorship with cool russian-styled Uniforms and stuff. Ya know Communism. Or perhaps a ill-shaved student with huge black nerd glasses blubbering about some theoretical stuff and the Working Class.

Theodor W. Adorno is not what I think on when I think Marxism. Nowadays where I live Adorno is being regarded as legendary Philosopher of the 68 Revolution, but I dont really know anything about him than he was apparently somehow critical of Capitalist Society and against Consumerism.

Excuse my ignorance but how would you define Frankfurt School Marxism, and what sort of effect it does have on the University Educated Middle Class?

[Imperializt Russia]

He's at least correct that Marxism is essentially a worldview, as is any major political theory.

[Geilinor]

Oh gosh, horror.

The femimarxist-neoliberal synthesis.

Hey, if you want to explain to me a bunch of people using the press to whine more about culture than class, you're free to do so.
I put it down to them being middle class, university educated, and those universities being frankfurt school-marxist dominated.
As in, they stopped thinking class was the main thing, but they're still marxists, because marxism is a way of looking at the world. It's not necessarily tied to economic class politics, and has been used to frame inter-demographic relations instead of inter-class ones.
But it's still marxism.

Because it's not hostile to capitalist interests and allows the "Progress" to occur without threatening the rich, it's supported.

The Frankfurt School and Marxism are discussed at universities, like any other theories. That's the point of a university, but I wouldn't say that they're dominated by Marxism. I'm just curious, have you gone to a university?

[Olerand]

Though I have no knowledge of how elections work in Europe and have no idea what going on in European politics (especially Austrian politics), I will have to say that I am glad that Austria didn't vote for a right-wing candidate to become its leader. To be fair nationalism is something that Europe doesn't need especially today. Just look what happened to Germany in World War II and what's happening to Russia with its own nationalists.

Um... Referring back to the Nazis is not wise policy. This is really costing critics public credibility, and establishing a link that is easily swept aside by the defendants as a partisan and unjust attack. Deal with the radical right today as the radical right of today, not as the Nazis of the 1930s.

[Ostroeuropa]

Hey, if you want to explain to me a bunch of people using the press to whine more about culture than class, you're free to do so.
I put it down to them being middle class, university educated, and those universities being frankfurt school-marxist dominated.
As in, they stopped thinking class was the main thing, but they're still marxists, because marxism is a way of looking at the world. It's not necessarily tied to economic class politics, and has been used to frame inter-demographic relations instead of inter-class ones.
But it's still marxism.

Because it's not hostile to capitalist interests and allows the "Progress" to occur without threatening the rich, it's supported.

I am actually curious about this. For me, when I think Marxism, I'd see a Memorial for Marx and Lenin put in stone with red flags around it in some east European Marxist-Leninist Dictatorship with cool russian-styled Uniforms and stuff. Ya know Communism. Or perhaps a ill-shaved student with huge black nerd glasses blubbering about some theoretical stuff and the Working Class.

Theodor W. Adorno is not what I think on when I think Marxism. Nowadays where I live Adorno is being regarded as legendary Philosopher of the 68 Revolution, but I dont really know anything about him than he was apparently somehow critical of Capitalist Society and against Consumerism.

Excuse my ignorance but how would you define Frankfurt School Marxism, and what sort of effect it does have on the University Educated Middle Class?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt ... vilization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_ ... ial_theory

It's the intellectual basis for much of the post-modernist movement, including this wave of feminism and racial justice. The mass migration policy and multiculturalism are a result of this ideology dominating academic institutions, and as a result, the press and government. Part of it is cultural relativism and a rejection of the notion that some cultures can be better than others, assertion of blank slate theory, etc.

The far-right narratives about multiculturalism are usually pretty clear about this and why it's a problem if you get further into it, but that's the kind of thing you won't really see being forefront in elections. Abstract discussion of worldviews like this tends not to be attention grabbing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt ... acy_theory

This, basically.
But you don't necessarily need to think its a conspiracy. Thinking they're just wrong works. The fact some people allege it's deliberate conspiracy is often used to dismiss it. The far-right in europe currently doesn't seem to subscribe to the paleocon version, and it's subtly different.
But it really depends on who you talk to.

[Theodolia]

Marxism is a direct link to neoliberalism.

In the sense that the neoliberal thinkers looked at Marxism, how Marxism was applied in the Soviet Union, thought "fuck no" and came up with neoliberalism as a complete antithesis.

Honestly, a lot of people who are often grouped under the label neoliberal seem to subscribe to a pseudo-marxist theory of history.

[Imperializt Russia]

Hey, if you want to explain to me a bunch of people using the press to whine more about culture than class, you're free to do so.
I put it down to them being middle class, university educated, and those universities being frankfurt school-marxist dominated.
As in, they stopped thinking class was the main thing, but they're still marxists, because marxism is a way of looking at the world. It's not necessarily tied to economic class politics, and has been used to frame inter-demographic relations instead of inter-class ones.
But it's still marxism.

Because it's not hostile to capitalist interests and allows the "Progress" to occur without threatening the rich, it's supported.

The Frankfurt School and Marxism are discussed at universities, like any other theories. That's the point of a university, but I wouldn't say that they're dominated by Marxism. I'm just curious, have you gone to a university?

He repeatedly dodges questions when I press him about science, research or academia.

[Liriena]

Hey, if you want to explain to me a bunch of people using the press to whine more about culture than class, you're free to do so.
I put it down to them being middle class, university educated, and those universities being frankfurt school-marxist dominated.
As in, they stopped thinking class was the main thing, but they're still marxists, because marxism is a way of looking at the world. It's not necessarily tied to economic class politics, and has been used to frame inter-demographic relations instead of inter-class ones.
But it's still marxism.

Because it's not hostile to capitalist interests and allows the "Progress" to occur without threatening the rich, it's supported.

I am actually curious about this. For me, when I think Marxism, I'd see a Memorial for Marx and Lenin put in stone with red flags around it in some east European Marxist-Leninist Dictatorship with cool russian-styled Uniforms and stuff. Ya know Communism. Or perhaps a ill-shaved student with huge black nerd glasses blubbering about some theoretical stuff and the Working Class.

Theodor W. Adorno is not what I think on when I think Marxism. Nowadays where I live Adorno is being regarded as legendary Philosopher of the 68 Revolution, but I dont really know anything about him than he was apparently somehow critical of Capitalist Society and against Consumerism.

Excuse my ignorance but how would you define Frankfurt School Marxism, and what sort of effect it does have on the University Educated Middle Class?

Adorno, like others in the Frankfurt Schule, was a Marxist whose thought was imbued with a bit of Freudian theory, and shaped by his experiences during the rise of the Third Reich. Their work tended to focus more on cultural critique than economic analysis, and a recurring theme of it was their disillusionment with post-Enlightenment Europe. They saw National Socialism as a product of the Enlightenment's failings, and condemned modern thought for "prohibiting theoretical imagination", which they thought "opened the path to political madness".