Austrian right-wing candidate barely loses..

[Republican Union of America]

Why not just require people to show their birth certificate or something similar which is tied to citizenship?

Birth certificate isn't intrinsically tied to citizenship.

Passports would be a better link - but not all citizens travel outside the borders.

But it's a red herring anyway - in general, people fraudulently voting is not statistically significant - and that is, after all, what electoral democracy is - rule by statistical significance.

If it's not such an issue, then what's the harm in having a voter/proof of citizenship ID. In many countries, state-issued IDs are freely given upon request, so there can't be complaints of some people not being able to afford them.

[Novus America]

Why not just require people to show their birth certificate or something similar which is tied to citizenship?

Birth certificate isn't intrinsically tied to citizenship.

Passports would be a better link - but not all citizens travel outside the borders.

But it's a red herring anyway - in general, people fraudulently voting is not statistically significant - and that is, after all, what electoral democracy is - rule by statistical significance.

Prosecution for voter fraud is not statiscally significant. As has been discussed this does NOT mean voter fraud is neccesarily insignificant. You cannot say a problem does not exist just because prosecutions are few.

[Veceria]

I'm glad that VdB won. He's a cool guy.

[Imperializt Russia]

Yeah, I don't even need that to vote in the UK. Our electoral fraud? Also basically nil.

So explain how not requiring people to prove their citizenship would stop an illegal immigrant for example, from voting? Voter registration is useless if there is no process for determining that someone who shows up is the person on the list.

It doesn't happen, so clearly the system works better than you imagine it to.

An illegal immigrant would have to impersonate a person who is registered to vote. I don't think you understand that this is not a simple thing to do. And would be way more trouble than it's worth.

[Imperializt Russia]

The sanctity of elections everywhere and everywhen is non-existent given your metric, as voter fraud in so small a sample size (whether the party be a single "illegal" immigrant or not) will always be apparent, even if undetected -- not that you have a problem with discrediting everything that so opposes you.

Why not just require people to show their birth certificate or something similar which is tied to citizenship? As it is now, a driver's license, or a home address doesn't really determine if someone can vote.

Of course it fucking does.

If you're not registered to vote, your name isn't on the damn register.

[Vassenor]

50 - 50 and barely lost. You go to scotland and everyone constantly whines about independence, all the scots on facebook whine about independence and yet they lose? How? It doesn't make any sense. That's all I've got, because I'm not the PM of the UK.

The Mau Mau uprising war crimes were covered up for years. A lot of stuff the US have done is covered up. They even try to cover up stuff in plain sight like the TPP. Yet it is impossible for any government to rig any election ever?

So your premise is still "the side I was expecting to win did not win, ergo the election was rigged".

And apparently you do not understand the concept of the vocal minority. Since you assume that noise on social media correlates to actual real world support.

[Mahakala]

A damn shame.

[Vassenor]

A damn shame.

And why is that?

[Mahakala]

A damn shame.

And why is that?

I was hoping for him to win.

[Koninkrijk Zeeland]

The right wing candidate is not far right. Just against immigration and the EU.

[Radiatia]

Is he Far Right as in "actually Far Right" or is he Far Right as in "mainstream media calls every Eurosceptic party far right"?

[Mahakala]

Is he Far Right as in "actually Far Right" or is he Far Right as in "mainstream media calls every Eurosceptic party far right"?

The latter.

[Veceria]

Is he Far Right as in "actually Far Right" or is he Far Right as in "mainstream media calls every Eurosceptic party far right"?

He's in a "group" that doesn't accept Austria as it's own country, but rather a part of the greater German Reich.
He's writing the program for a party that is known for pro-far-right and pro-nazi shit. He thinks Chemtrails are real.

Is he Far Right as in "actually Far Right" or is he Far Right as in "mainstream media calls every Eurosceptic party far right"?

The latter.

Wrong. He's more than just an average Eurosceptic. Hell, I'm Eurosceptic and didn't vote for him because I actually remember what his party has done so far.

[Ostroeuropa]

Is he Far Right as in "actually Far Right" or is he Far Right as in "mainstream media calls every Eurosceptic party far right"?

He's in a "group" that doesn't accept Austria as it's own country, but rather a part of the greater German Reich.
He's writing the program for a party that is known for pro-far-right and pro-nazi shit. He thinks Chemtrails are real.

The latter.

Wrong. He's more than just an average Eurosceptic. Hell, I'm Eurosceptic and didn't vote for him because I actually remember what his party has done so far.

Uniting a europe of dozens of different languages, cultures, ethnicities. = Sensible, progressivism.
Uniting the german speaking peoples = DASS RACIST! LITERAL NAZIS!

"Known for."
Same as how Homosexuality is "Known for" fucking children, and the MRM is "Known for" violent shooting sprees. So basically rumor mills and media smear jobs.

Chemtrails is batshit. But it's not neo-nazi stuff, just woo woo paranoia. The NHS supports homeopathy, and as a result so do some mainstream UK parties. Woo woo is dime a dozen crap.

[Veceria]

He's in a "group" that doesn't accept Austria as it's own country, but rather a part of the greater German Reich.
He's writing the program for a party that is known for pro-far-right and pro-nazi shit. He thinks Chemtrails are real.


Wrong. He's more than just an average Eurosceptic. Hell, I'm Eurosceptic and didn't vote for him because I actually remember what his party has done so far.

Uniting a europe of dozens of different languages, cultures, ethnicities. = Sensible, progressivism.
Uniting the german speaking peoples = DASS RACIST! LITERAL NAZIS!

Ah yes, that's exactly what I said. Really.

[Ostroeuropa]

Uniting a europe of dozens of different languages, cultures, ethnicities. = Sensible, progressivism.
Uniting the german speaking peoples = DASS RACIST! LITERAL NAZIS!

Ah yes, that's exactly what I said. Really.

I expanded to show how your other complaints were nonsense too. You havn't actually shown he's really far-right.

[Veceria]

Ah yes, that's exactly what I said. Really.

I expanded to show how your other complaints were nonsense too.

Well then, explain how they're nonsense. I once thought you were good at debating, not just spouting some stuff and then thinking it's the greatest thing ever.
@your edit:
He supports the far-right and is supported by the far-right. You have to be really ignorant and/or naive to not see what political leaning he comes from.

[Ostroeuropa]

I expanded to show how your other complaints were nonsense too.

Well then, explain how they're nonsense. I once thought you were good at debating, not just spouting some stuff and then thinking it's the greatest thing ever.

"Known for."
Same as how Homosexuality is "Known for" fucking children, and the MRM is "Known for" violent shooting sprees. So basically rumor mills and media smear jobs.

Chemtrails is batshit. But it's not neo-nazi stuff, just woo woo paranoia. The NHS supports homeopathy, and as a result so do some mainstream UK parties. Woo woo is dime a dozen crap.

Nothing you posted there rises to the level of "real" far-right the way people like to remember it.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... =woo%20woo

[Veceria]

Well then, explain how they're nonsense. I once thought you were good at debating, not just spouting some stuff and then thinking it's the greatest thing ever.

"Known for."
Same as how Homosexuality is "Known for" fucking children, and the MRM is "Known for" violent shooting sprees. So basically rumor mills and media smear jobs.

Chemtrails is batshit. But it's not neo-nazi stuff, just woo woo paranoia. The NHS supports homeopathy, and as a result so do some mainstream UK parties. Woo woo is dime a dozen crap.

Nothing you posted there rises to the level of "real" far-right the way people like to remember it.

You mean he has to gas some minorities before you accept that he's a rightwinger, or what?

[Ostroeuropa]

"Known for."
Same as how Homosexuality is "Known for" fucking children, and the MRM is "Known for" violent shooting sprees. So basically rumor mills and media smear jobs.

Chemtrails is batshit. But it's not neo-nazi stuff, just woo woo paranoia. The NHS supports homeopathy, and as a result so do some mainstream UK parties. Woo woo is dime a dozen crap.

Nothing you posted there rises to the level of "real" far-right the way people like to remember it.

You mean he has to gas some minorities before you accept that he's a rightwinger, or what?

He's undeniably right wing, and he's new far-right due to the lowered standards of what qualifies, precisely as radiatia said:

Is he Far Right as in "actually Far Right" or is he Far Right as in "mainstream media calls every Eurosceptic party far right"?

He is supported by the far-right, that much is certain. Himself being far-right, actually, legitimately far-right? I don't think so. He hasn't supported a military junta. he hasn't espoused anti-democratic rhetoric. He hasn't used biological racism arguments, etc.

It's just part of the new red scare crap the globalist media is pushing. Anything not entirely behind the globalist agenda is suddenly nazis.

[Risottia]

The right wing candidate is not far right. Just against immigration and the EU.

Not quite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_P ... a#Ideology

[Veceria]

You mean he has to gas some minorities before you accept that he's a rightwinger, or what?

He's undeniably right wing, and he's new far-right due to the lowered standards of what qualifies, precisely as radiatia said:

Is he Far Right as in "actually Far Right" or is he Far Right as in "mainstream media calls every Eurosceptic party far right"?

He is supported by the far-right, that much is certain. Himself being far-right, actually, legitimately far-right? I don't think so. He hasn't supported a military junta. he hasn't espoused anti-democratic rhetoric. He hasn't used biological racism arguments, etc.

It's just part of the new red scare crap the globalist media is pushing. Anything not entirely behind the globalist agenda is suddenly nazis.

Last time I looked through the definition of "far right" it had to do with extreme traditionalism and a "for us, against anyone else" mentality, not military juntas. And that's what his basic ideals are, when you look at some answers he was asked, even during the election (if we answered them at all, because the whole FPÖ party rhetoric is basically "if someone asks me something important that could compromise my totally-not-right-ideology, I'll just talk about how great the weather is"). I'm really not against some right views myself, but his party, their supporters and several members of the FPÖ are known for being part of the batshit-right.

[Ostroeuropa]

He's undeniably right wing, and he's new far-right due to the lowered standards of what qualifies, precisely as radiatia said:


He is supported by the far-right, that much is certain. Himself being far-right, actually, legitimately far-right? I don't think so. He hasn't supported a military junta. he hasn't espoused anti-democratic rhetoric. He hasn't used biological racism arguments, etc.

It's just part of the new red scare crap the globalist media is pushing. Anything not entirely behind the globalist agenda is suddenly nazis.

Last time I looked through the definition of "far right" it had to do with extreme traditionalism and a "for us, against anyone else" mentality, not military juntas. And that's what his basic ideals are, when you look at some answers he was asked, even during the election (if we answered them at all, because the whole FPÖ party rhetoric is basically "if someone asks me something important that could compromise my totally-not-right-ideology, I'll just talk about how great the weather is"). I'm really not against some right views myself, but his party, their supporters and several members of the FPÖ are known for being part of the batshit-right.

The wiki says they're just nationalist liberals. Which would make them akin to the Geert Wilders freedom party in the netherlands. Do you have anything showing he supports traditionalism?

[Risottia]

The wiki says they're just nationalist liberals.

Who happen to support pan-Germanism. Anschluss 2.0!

[Ostroeuropa]

The wiki says they're just nationalist liberals.

Who happen to support pan-Germanism. Anschluss 2.0!

What's wrong with pan-germanism?
It seems a sensible step toward a united europe to support regional and linguistic unifications in the intermediary. All of the arguments in favor of the EU can be applied in favor, and almost none of those against.