Austrian right-wing candidate barely loses..

[Imperializt Russia]

It's not at 50-50 at all.

And would you still be making these claims if your preferred candidate had won under these same "obviously fraudulent" conditions?

It will be, just you watch. It is basically half and half in that poll anyway. The stay will steal the referendum just like the Scotland referendum, and by no means am I a scotland supporter, the opposite actually.

If Hofer won using the mail vote that can be manipulated then I would be pissed. Democracy is being turned into something worthless. With the voter fraud in America to this it's getting to Putin levels of democracy.

Voter fraud basically doesn't exist in the US. It's not even percentage points. It's not even tenths of percentage points.

[MERIZoC]

Wow. Talk about a close election.

Austria was this close to being ruled under the far-right extremism. Go Greens!

Well not really it's a largely figurehead position.

[Vassenor]

...so you're still basically saying that any outcome other than your preferred outcome is evidence of fraud.

[Esceen]

Just a incredibly suspicious happening because of the easily manipulated mail vote count which allowed Van Der Bellen to win by a very small margin. Just a coincidence? How is this not vote manipulation? This is enough evidence on it's own. It's is statistically very highly unlikely to the point of impossible that so many Green voters would just submit their vote through mail.

The people who voted for Hofer and Van Der Bellen are significantly different demographically. It's possible.

It is so possible that it would make VDB steal the vote? I doubt it. It is far more likely that the mail vote would be split and this steal is very suspicious.

The purpose? A lot of right wing people say that this would be a win for moral. It may be a ceremonial role but if someone could rig the election to win they would

So, there's exactly as much incentive to rig this election, as there is to rig any election occurring anywhere.

Riveting evidence.

It's not convincing because that is the basic evidence. People would want to rig the election. The motive. Saying that someone would want to rig it isn't going to convince anyone. It's the stuff I presented before is the evidence of likely suspicious circumstances and if you want to take it for what it is then go for it. If you don't after reading it then I won't be able to convince you otherwise until it has become abundantly clear to everyone in the world that it was rigged which isn't going to happen.

...so you're still basically saying that any outcome other than your preferred outcome is evidence of fraud.

I am actually quite sure that you haven't read anything I've posted and are brushing me aside because I'm "salty". Sure whatever man. Believe what you want.

[Esceen]

It will be, just you watch. It is basically half and half in that poll anyway. The stay will steal the referendum just like the Scotland referendum, and by no means am I a scotland supporter, the opposite actually.

If Hofer won using the mail vote that can be manipulated then I would be pissed. Democracy is being turned into something worthless. With the voter fraud in America to this it's getting to Putin levels of democracy.

Voter fraud basically doesn't exist in the US. It's not even percentage points. It's not even tenths of percentage points.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Unit ... troversies

[Imperializt Russia]

You are super salty and even Hofer isn't making such bizarre allegations despite, unlike you, actually having gains to be made from such claims.

[Xadufell]

What if I told you...

You can't be racist against a religion?

[Novus America]

It will be, just you watch. It is basically half and half in that poll anyway. The stay will steal the referendum just like the Scotland referendum, and by no means am I a scotland supporter, the opposite actually.

If Hofer won using the mail vote that can be manipulated then I would be pissed. Democracy is being turned into something worthless. With the voter fraud in America to this it's getting to Putin levels of democracy.

Voter fraud basically doesn't exist in the US. It's not even percentage points. It's not even tenths of percentage points.

Highly debatable.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/3 ... -john-fund

Lack of prosecution does not equal lack of a crime.

[Imperializt Russia]

Voter fraud basically doesn't exist in the US. It's not even percentage points. It's not even tenths of percentage points.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Unit ... troversies

The system repeatedly fucking up its own lists and suppressing voter registration isn't electoral fraud.

[Vassenor]

So do you, for instance, have any actual proof that this vote, or the Scottish Independence vote, was "stolen"?

[Keshokif]

This is good until it becomes bad. I'm no natural pessimist, but it shows how close the race in America could go, especially if Hillary is the Democratic nominee.

[Othelos]

I'm disappointed.

Same.

[Saiwania]

Voter fraud basically doesn't exist in the US. It's not even percentage points. It's not even tenths of percentage points.

How in the world am I supposed to believe that? In the US you aren't even required to submit proof of citizenship at the polls such as a social security number or a birth certificate, often in liberal states- a home address or utility bill is enough to qualify.

[Esceen]

You are super salty and even Hofer isn't making such bizarre allegations despite, unlike you, actually having gains to be made from such claims.

Because Hofer isn't any better than Van der Bellen.

So do you, for instance, have any actual proof that this vote, or the Scottish Independence vote, was "stolen"?

50 - 50 and barely lost. You go to scotland and everyone constantly whines about independence, all the scots on facebook whine about independence and yet they lose? How? It doesn't make any sense. That's all I've got, because I'm not the PM of the UK.

The Mau Mau uprising war crimes were covered up for years. A lot of stuff the US have done is covered up. They even try to cover up stuff in plain sight like the TPP. Yet it is impossible for any government to rig any election ever?

[Imperializt Russia]

Voter fraud basically doesn't exist in the US. It's not even percentage points. It's not even tenths of percentage points.

How in the world am I supposed to believe that? In the US you aren't even required to submit proof of citizenship at the polls such as a social security number or a birth certificate, often in liberal states- a home address or utility bill is enough to qualify.

Yeah, I don't even need that to vote in the UK.

Our electoral fraud? Also basically nil.

[Geilinor]

You are super salty and even Hofer isn't making such bizarre allegations despite, unlike you, actually having gains to be made from such claims.

Because Hofer isn't any better than Van der Bellen.

So do you, for instance, have any actual proof that this vote, or the Scottish Independence vote, was "stolen"?

50 - 50 and barely lost. You go to scotland and everyone constantly whines about independence, all the scots on facebook whine about independence and yet they lose? How? It doesn't make any sense. That's all I've got, because I'm not the PM of the UK.

The Mau Mau uprising war crimes were covered up for years. A lot of stuff the US have done is covered up. They even try to cover up stuff in plain sight like the TPP. Yet it is impossible for any government to rig any election ever?

If there was actually rigging, Hofer and his supporters would be talking about it. And you're really using Facebook as evidence?

[Esceen]

Because Hofer isn't any better than Van der Bellen.

50 - 50 and barely lost. You go to scotland and everyone constantly whines about independence, all the scots on facebook whine about independence and yet they lose? How? It doesn't make any sense. That's all I've got, because I'm not the PM of the UK.

The Mau Mau uprising war crimes were covered up for years. A lot of stuff the US have done is covered up. They even try to cover up stuff in plain sight like the TPP. Yet it is impossible for any government to rig any election ever?

If there was actually rigging, Hofer and his supporters would be talking about it. And you're really using Facebook as evidence?

No im not. Open my spoiler on the last page.

[Saiwania]

Yeah, I don't even need that to vote in the UK. Our electoral fraud? Also basically nil.

So explain how not requiring people to prove their citizenship would stop an illegal immigrant for example, from voting? Voter registration is useless if there is no process for determining that someone who shows up is the person on the list.

[Geilinor]

Not that he has a lot of choice. The dictate enacted towards Greece was a low point in European Diplomacy, not far from the League of Versailles Treaty. Also if you believe what Varoufakis said about the State of Greece he encountered and the sheer ignorance of the Eurocrats... that makes one shudder by what sort of People Europe is currently being governed. Those People don't have a Plan B. Neither for Mass Migration Crisis...

Europe never has a plan B for anything, not even for matters directly concerning it, like the proposed Constitution in 2005. If plan A doesn't work, you keep hammering that star shaped toy into that square opening until something happens, that's the Brussels way (also, funny enough, a good description of Belgian politics).

But frankly, if Tsipras had any ideological consistency, or any understanding of what's good for Greece (which, genuinely now, is not austerity. Greece fucked up, and it needs to get its finances in order, but this only worsening the problem, and Greece's debt has only risen), he would have resigned after the failure of the talks with the Troika after his silly little referendum. Let New Democracy ruin Greece, and work to develop something better, a project that if necessary will happen outside of the Eurozone.

The alternative is Greece going bankrupt and the situation getting worse. I don't think Tsipras wants to leave the Eurozone.

[Dushan]

Europe never has a plan B for anything, not even for matters directly concerning it, like the proposed Constitution in 2005. If plan A doesn't work, you keep hammering that star shaped toy into that square opening until something happens, that's the Brussels way (also, funny enough, a good description of Belgian politics).

But frankly, if Tsipras had any ideological consistency, or any understanding of what's good for Greece (which, genuinely now, is not austerity. Greece fucked up, and it needs to get its finances in order, but this only worsening the problem, and Greece's debt has only risen), he would have resigned after the failure of the talks with the Troika after his silly little referendum. Let New Democracy ruin Greece, and work to develop something better, a project that if necessary will happen outside of the Eurozone.

The alternative is Greece going bankrupt and the situation getting worse. I don't think Tsipras wants to leave the Eurozone.

Greece is bankrupt anyways. And continue to give Greece the Medicine that has worsened the situation in the past 8 Years isn't exactly a wise move.

[MERIZoC]

Europe never has a plan B for anything, not even for matters directly concerning it, like the proposed Constitution in 2005. If plan A doesn't work, you keep hammering that star shaped toy into that square opening until something happens, that's the Brussels way (also, funny enough, a good description of Belgian politics).

But frankly, if Tsipras had any ideological consistency, or any understanding of what's good for Greece (which, genuinely now, is not austerity. Greece fucked up, and it needs to get its finances in order, but this only worsening the problem, and Greece's debt has only risen), he would have resigned after the failure of the talks with the Troika after his silly little referendum. Let New Democracy ruin Greece, and work to develop something better, a project that if necessary will happen outside of the Eurozone.

The alternative is Greece going bankrupt and the situation getting worse. I don't think Tsipras wants to leave the Eurozone.

Think? Lol I'm pretty sure after the referendum last summer we know where the fucker stands.

[Liriena]

Voter fraud basically doesn't exist in the US. It's not even percentage points. It's not even tenths of percentage points.

How in the world am I supposed to believe that? In the US you aren't even required to submit proof of citizenship at the polls such as a social security number or a birth certificate, often in liberal states- a home address or utility bill is enough to qualify.

Indeed... and yet demonstrable cases of voter fraud have generally been few and statistically insignificant.

[Saiwania]

Indeed... and yet demonstrable cases of voter fraud have generally been few and statistically insignificant.

I refuse to believe that if I can plausibly call into question the legitimacy of the existing voter registration processes which are supposed to ensure that non-citizens can't vote. If a single illegal immigrant for example, has been able to cast a ballot- then voter fraud is real and thus the sanctity of elections is non-existent.

[Keshokif]

Indeed... and yet demonstrable cases of voter fraud have generally been few and statistically insignificant.

I refuse to believe that if I can plausibly call into question the legitimacy of the existing voter registration processes which are supposed to ensure that non-citizens can't vote. If a single illegal immigrant for example, has been able to cast a ballot- then voter fraud is real and thus the sanctity of elections is non-existent.

Your lack of belief does not imply lack of truth. The fact is, voter fraud is not a big deal. Heck, in Britain, it's hard enough to get people to vote in the first place.

[Dahon]

Indeed... and yet demonstrable cases of voter fraud have generally been few and statistically insignificant.

I refuse to believe that if I can plausibly call into question the legitimacy of the existing voter registration processes which are supposed to ensure that non-citizens can't vote. If a single illegal immigrant for example, has been able to cast a ballot- then voter fraud is real and thus the sanctity of elections is non-existent.

The sanctity of elections everywhere and everywhen is non-existent given your metric, as voter fraud in so small a sample size (whether the party be a single "illegal" immigrant or not) will always be apparent or at least suspected, even if undetected -- not that you have a problem with discrediting everything that so opposes you.