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Postby Chessmistress » Mon May 23, 2016 2:22 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
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Why?
Don't you think that legalised prostitution is violating human rights by increasing human trafficking, and also diminishing Austrian women?


I firmly believe prostitution shouldn't be legalized, mostly because it's a disservice to sex workers, who could accomplish much more given proper education and means.


I agree. The problem in Austria is that it had already been legalised, following the misogynistic German system. That's a social illness that need to be cured, for the sake of women's rights.

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:
Why?
Don't you think that legalised prostitution is violating human rights by increasing human trafficking, and also diminishing Austrian women?

Illegal prostitution encourages trafficking more, and how are Austrian women "diminished"?


Again?
It's OT and it has already being widely discussed.
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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Mon May 23, 2016 2:23 pm

Olivaero wrote:
Novus America wrote:
What fountain of plenty? The EU is struggling ecnomically and cannot even properly support or employ the people it has. I am not against all immigration but mass migration during massive unemployment makes no sense at all.

Growth is partly driven by population increase, In Capital in the 21st century Picketty estimates population growth and growth in productivity account for about half each of the total growth percentage wise, it's a simplification, but generally historically when growth is low population growth is low and only started spiking when growth started happening. So in other words, to spark Growth in the EU we should throw open our borders like America did in the 19th century. Which incidentally is a large reason why America is the largest economy in the world today.


America didn't have thrown open borders.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon May 23, 2016 2:23 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:For someone so angered about how poor white men have it, why do you support measures that will heavily impact poor white men as a consequence of your bizarre fixation with illegal immigrants?

And vigilantes cracking down on illegal immigrant hires? Fuck no.


How would these policies impact that demographic negatively?

Gaming housing benefit and house prices to rise them just to disadvantage migrants.

Very much cutting off the nose.
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Postby Olivaero » Mon May 23, 2016 2:23 pm

I think what we need to halt the rise of the far right in Europe is for a far right government to win and really shit the bed economically like pull their country out of the EU and cause a massive recession in said country.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon May 23, 2016 2:24 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
How would these policies impact that demographic negatively?

Gaming housing benefit and house prices to rise them just to disadvantage migrants.

Very much cutting off the nose.


Not really, they'd be receiving the benefit, assuming they were citizens.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon May 23, 2016 2:24 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
I firmly believe prostitution shouldn't be legalized, mostly because it's a disservice to sex workers, who could accomplish much more given proper education and means.


I agree. The problem in Austria is that it had already been legalised, following the misogynistic German system. That's a social illness that need to be cured, for the sake of women's rights.

Imperializt Russia wrote:Illegal prostitution encourages trafficking more, and how are Austrian women "diminished"?


Again?
It's OT and it has already being widely discussed.
Are you from UK, right?
Here you go:
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Also that
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End OT.

Do not get fucking pissy at me over how off-topic a topic you entirely introduced is.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Mon May 23, 2016 2:24 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:Freedom of Speech only matters when you're insulting opinions Ostro doesn't agree with. I guess.


I'm not saying they can't be mocked, merely that it won't be functionally useful in terms of stopping them.

Then how about you stop using SJW and Neoliberal as thinly veiled insults?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon May 23, 2016 2:25 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Gaming housing benefit and house prices to rise them just to disadvantage migrants.

Very much cutting off the nose.


Not really, they'd be receiving the benefit, assuming they were citizens.

Under 25s don't get housing benefit anymore. We shouldn't be increasing the number of citizens on housing benefits, which we are explicitly pointing out will also be much more expensive just for social engineering of questionable value. The concept is ludicrous.
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Postby Olivaero » Mon May 23, 2016 2:26 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Growth is partly driven by population increase, In Capital in the 21st century Picketty estimates population growth and growth in productivity account for about half each of the total growth percentage wise, it's a simplification, but generally historically when growth is low population growth is low and only started spiking when growth started happening. So in other words, to spark Growth in the EU we should throw open our borders like America did in the 19th century. Which incidentally is a large reason why America is the largest economy in the world today.


America didn't have thrown open borders.

Where else did all those Irish, Polish, Germans and Italians come from?
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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Mon May 23, 2016 2:26 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
I firmly believe prostitution shouldn't be legalized, mostly because it's a disservice to sex workers, who could accomplish much more given proper education and means.


I agree. The problem in Austria is that it had already been legalised, following the misogynistic German system. That's a social illness that need to be cured, for the sake of women's rights.



Well, less for the sake of women's rights, and more for the sake of human potential. Someone who uses neither mind nor body fully can ever reach their true potential.

Though, I can somewhat get your perspective, if we act on the belief that the society in question has led to the woman choosing to be a prostitute.
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Ralk: I have stacks on stacks and racks on racks of slaves.
BlueHorizons: It sounds like you're doing a commercial for the most morbid children's board game ever, Ralk.

Estainia: The countless genocides...So many countless genocides.


Old Tyrannia wrote:You've never met Ralk before, have you? Ralk doesn't have friends.
He only respects the strong, and preys on the weak.
He might act polite and smile all the time, but always remember...
The day will come when you'll wake up to find him looming over your bed,
knife in hand, and he'll still be smiling.

Constaniana wrote:Ralk is evil incarnate, shouldn't you know this by now?

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon May 23, 2016 2:27 pm

Zeinbrad wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I'm not saying they can't be mocked, merely that it won't be functionally useful in terms of stopping them.

Then how about you stop using SJW and Neoliberal as thinly veiled insults?


Couple of things;
Neoliberals and SJWs aren't supported by most of the public, and are fringe movements. That the fringe happens to occupy our governing establishments and institutions is besides the point, mocking them is sufficient to dismiss them in most circles. This is no longer the case with the far-right. If you don't believe me, go out and talk to ordinary people about the government and how shit they are and watch them laugh and such. Then bring up the far-right and start mocking them, and notice they get taken seriously, even if the person is worried and opposed, and even if they engage in the mockery too. It used to be the case that you could simply mock and dismiss the far-right too, but it is no longer.

Neoliberal is an economic position, not an insult.
SJW is not an insult in the way I use it. It's a shorthand way to discuss people who believe in the modern social justice movements conception of social problems. It is no more an insult than Liberal or Conservative is.

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Not really, they'd be receiving the benefit, assuming they were citizens.

Under 25s don't get housing benefit anymore. We shouldn't be increasing the number of citizens on housing benefits, which we are explicitly pointing out will also be much more expensive just for social engineering of questionable value. The concept is ludicrous.


It's just one idea anyway. The point is, it is possible to curb illegal immigration.
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Postby Dushan » Mon May 23, 2016 2:28 pm

Olivaero wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
America didn't have thrown open borders.

Where else did all those Irish, Polish, Germans and Italians come from?


I Know-nothing.

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But they did integrate well into the US Society, something that can't be said about the current Situation in Europe. Just look at France....
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Postby Ralkovian Grand Island » Mon May 23, 2016 2:29 pm

Olivaero wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
America didn't have thrown open borders.

Where else did all those Irish, Polish, Germans and Italians come from?


Quotas and immigration policies existed.

You didn't arrive and just get American citizenship.
Lyras:You know, you're a sick fuck, yes?
Ralk: I have stacks on stacks and racks on racks of slaves.
BlueHorizons: It sounds like you're doing a commercial for the most morbid children's board game ever, Ralk.

Estainia: The countless genocides...So many countless genocides.


Old Tyrannia wrote:You've never met Ralk before, have you? Ralk doesn't have friends.
He only respects the strong, and preys on the weak.
He might act polite and smile all the time, but always remember...
The day will come when you'll wake up to find him looming over your bed,
knife in hand, and he'll still be smiling.

Constaniana wrote:Ralk is evil incarnate, shouldn't you know this by now?

Seriong wrote:Ralk isn't a troll, he's just despicable.

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Postby Novus America » Mon May 23, 2016 2:31 pm

Olivaero wrote:
Novus America wrote:
What fountain of plenty? The EU is struggling ecnomically and cannot even properly support or employ the people it has. I am not against all immigration but mass migration during massive unemployment makes no sense at all.

Growth is partly driven by population increase, In Capital in the 21st century Picketty estimates population growth and growth in productivity account for about half each of the total growth percentage wise, it's a simplification, but generally historically when growth is low population growth is low and only started spiking when growth started happening. So in other words, to spark Growth in the EU we should throw open our borders like America did in the 19th century. Which incidentally is a large reason why America is the largest economy in the world today.


First of all America did not "throw open the borders" in the 19th century. Only did for Europeans.

Which is a point. Immigrant are not widgets. Each is unique and some better than others. A English speaking Doctor is of more economic value than an illiterate Wahhabi (who is of no value to the resident country).

This is why immigration should be based on what the country needs.

Again I am not against immigration but there is a middle ground between open borders and ban them all.

Certainly population growth can trigger overall growth, but what is needed is per capita growth.

But the situation in 19th century America is totally different than Europe today. The US was a rapidly growing industrial and protectionist country. We needed people to work our factories and had plenty of land to spare.

Europe does not have any of these conditions.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon May 23, 2016 2:31 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Under 25s don't get housing benefit anymore. We shouldn't be increasing the number of citizens on housing benefits, which we are explicitly pointing out will also be much more expensive just for social engineering of questionable value. The concept is ludicrous.


It's just one idea anyway. The point is, it is possible to curb illegal immigration.

I'm sure there are actually sensible options available.
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Postby Dushan » Mon May 23, 2016 2:31 pm

Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Where else did all those Irish, Polish, Germans and Italians come from?


Quotas and immigration policies existed.

You didn't arrive and just get American citizenship.


There was a huge Nativist Movement that tried to prevent them from getting Citizenship as they were afraid of Papism and Catholicism overtaking the US and imposing their values onto the native, protestant Population.

It was a pretty big issue in the 1850s before the Civil War.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon May 23, 2016 2:32 pm

Close only counts in horse shoes, hand grenades and proportional Representation elections.
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Postby Novus America » Mon May 23, 2016 2:33 pm

Olivaero wrote:
Ralkovian Grand Island wrote:
America didn't have thrown open borders.

Where else did all those Irish, Polish, Germans and Italians come from?


From Ireland, Poland, Gerrmany and Italy. We only allowed immigration from certain countries.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby USS Donald Trump » Mon May 23, 2016 2:34 pm

people in austria would vote for me?
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Mon May 23, 2016 2:34 pm

What's the new president's views on the migrant crisis, as well as the EU and austerity?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon May 23, 2016 2:35 pm

Communist Xomaniax wrote:What's the new president's views on the migrant crisis, as well as the EU and austerity?

Pro-EU, I assume anti-austerity.
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Postby Communist Xomaniax » Mon May 23, 2016 2:37 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Communist Xomaniax wrote:What's the new president's views on the migrant crisis, as well as the EU and austerity?

Pro-EU, I assume anti-austerity.

And the migrant issue?
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Postby Novus America » Mon May 23, 2016 2:38 pm

Communist Xomaniax wrote:What's the new president's views on the migrant crisis, as well as the EU and austerity?


It does not matter. The president has no power.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Dushan » Mon May 23, 2016 2:40 pm

Communist Xomaniax wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Pro-EU, I assume anti-austerity.

And the migrant issue?


Thats the big question. If he's smart he will continue (read let the SPÖ government continue with it's) with Austrias current closed Borders policy, if leftyness and whatever streaks he might habor take over it will likely result in a FPÖ Victory in next General elections. And since he said he isn't gonna swear in a FPÖ Chancellor, it could lead to a real crisis.

But i dont believe he's that stupid. I hope so.
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Postby Spiloebistan » Mon May 23, 2016 2:41 pm

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Setgavarius wrote:Unsustainably high?



The policies of neoliberalism mean that they won't be affordable, and since so many of those degrees are in fields that are functionally useless in economic terms, I think we'll see a decline. We've hit peak gender studies.

Like business and management? Which from what I can tell is the most popular graduate degree in both the UK and the US.
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