Austrian right-wing candidate barely loses..

[Conserative Morality]

None of these are neccesarily good things and I do not agree with the far right on many things. But these do not equal the Holocaust. You know the works is not black and white. There are an infinite variety of possibilities. Not just status quo v Holocaust 2.0.

There are an infinite variety of possibilities. It could rain puppies and kittens. But I think when escalating violence in a pattern that has historically resulted in genocide is occurring, it's pretty safe to respond with derision to a mocking statement about how the situation is nothing like the Holocaust and far-right parties are just Cool Bro.

[Starkeland]

Fun fact, the Nazis considered Native Americans part of the Aryan race. Just throwing that out there.

Source?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)

If you use Chrome, cntl-F for the search function, type in Native American. Three results should pop up. In particular it was talking about the Sioux.

[Novus America]

China is a major threat to the US in Asia. To deny that is absurd.

Tell me, in what way does China pose a threat to us in Asia? Be specific.

And I know the history of the Holocaust. Had the US been willing to take in the Jews it could have been largely averted.

If by 'largely averted' you mean 'only caused mass expulsion and impoverishment of Jews all across Europe, everywhere from Poland and Russia to France and Italy, assuming that already-state-sponsored violence against them didn't kill them first', then you're correct.

If you mean anything other than that, you're wrong.

But not every natavist movement becomes the Holocaust. Only one did. The Holocaust was the exception, not the norm.

...

Nazism was not a nativist movement. Most German Jews had lived there for generations. The Know-Nothings were a nativist movement. Nazism was pan-Germanic in scope. I can name you plenty of right-wing genocides that started with the scapegoating of minorities. The Holocaust was not an exception; it's just the one everyone remembers.

How about they have huge numbers of ballistic missile prepared to level our bases in the Pacific? Perhaps their growing submarine fleet which has a numerical superiority in the region? The fact try are seizing the Spratly's with impunity from our allies and threatening to cut off our acces to the South China Sea? Again you head is in the sand.

Obviously the Nazi policy was horrible regardless. But again bad =/= the Holocaust.

And yes Nazism was Natavist. They did not considere the Jews true natives, regardless of how long they lived there. Like Hamas, the IRA, ect. Pan Germanic is not mutually exclusive with Nativism. However if it was it would undermine your argument as the current far right is Nativist! Not pan Germanic!

The Holocaust was exceptional in its scope. And most scapegoating of minorities dies not result in genocides. Certainly genocide can occur. But does not usually.

My point is not that the far right are good. They are not. My point is your screaming the far right is going to cause a second Holocaust is absurd. Most of the far right are not Neo Nazis nor genocidal. You can disagree with a group without resorting to hyperbole and strawmen.

[Ostroeuropa]

Damn it. This is bad.

Arguably not. The presidency is ceremonial. This stores the discontent for the parliamentary election, and allows the leftist greens to alienate yet more of the populace in the mean time.

[Aelex]

What country other than Austria has the strongest chance of electing a far-right leader like this?

France and the Netherlands.

Rather unlikely for France. At least for the next two decades coming.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

What? You asked when was Japan and Italy considered part of the West.

No, I asked when they became 'the West'.

The definite article exists for a reason.

So you just want to talk about semantics. Fair enough. You know common thing when someone is losing in a debate is they distract the opponent with semantics.

Fun. Hostility. Ad hominem. Not exactly the first reaction someone confident in his own side should have, when faced with a rational response.

Shame we can't seem to test that with a rational response.

And yet, still ad hominem.

Backlash against Chinese influence as China seeks to expand

China has an ambition to expand.
China expands.
There is backlash because China is expanding.
China is expanding, there is backlash.
Because China is expanding, there is backlash.
China, expanding into Africa, has led to backlash.

China, along with the rest of the world, is expanding into Africa

Chinese influence has not meaningfully increased in recent years and has, in fact, begun to decline.

Therefore, China does not have growing influence in Africa.

Source it.

[Great Feng]

Damn it. This is bad.

Arguably not. The presidency is ceremonial. This stores the discontent for the parliamentary election, and allows the leftist greens to alienate yet more of the populace in the mean time.

The Far Right will then resort to Fascism....
History tends to choose between two extremes, with the moderates being prosecuted by both sides and/or despite being a bigger population, the extremes tend to win anyway.
I hate Communism and Fascism.
I'll fight both until I die.
I'll be the next...
Umm.....
Winston Churchill?
I dunno, I just know I'll fight for the common man against the Far Right and the Far Left, despite having mostly Leftist sentiments myself.

[Conserative Morality]

A threat to democracy and cooperation in Asia under Western Guidance. Control of World Markets.

If anything, China is a boon to democracy and cooperation in Asia under Western guidance. Have you been paying attention to how East Asian and Southeast Asian countries have been quietly sidling up to good ol' Uncle Sam these past... I'd say, eight years now, maybe?

Fastidious expulsion of criminals and illegal migrants is not state sponsored violence.
Control of borders is not state sponsored violence.

The discussion you quoted was about how America taking in Jewish immigrants would not have resulted in Jews not getting the shaft from Nazi Germany.

Try to keep up.

You are not the moral side of the argument, you're just the irrational side.

Your insecurity is getting annoying. Attack my positions and my values viciously and quit with the masturbatory ego stroking.

And left-wing authoritarianism resulted in just as much violence.

I would agree. Authoritarianism is some real bullshit. The only difference between left and right authoritarianism is *who* it's directed at.

[Great Feng]

France and the Netherlands.

Rather unlikely for France. At least for the next two decades coming.

I'd give it about six years actually before it becomes a real possibility.

[Novus America]

None of these are neccesarily good things and I do not agree with the far right on many things. But these do not equal the Holocaust. You know the works is not black and white. There are an infinite variety of possibilities. Not just status quo v Holocaust 2.0.

There are an infinite variety of possibilities. It could rain puppies and kittens. But I think when escalating violence in a pattern that has historically resulted in genocide is occurring, it's pretty safe to respond with derision to a mocking statement about how the situation is nothing like the Holocaust and far-right parties are just Cool Bro.

It is still false. Most of the current far right are not Nazis. Pulling a Godwin is still silly.

Again I do not agree the European far right. But that does not mean they are Nazis ready for a new Holocaust.

And again while genocide can happen it is not the only nor most likely outcome.

[Vassenor]

Why is everyone so obsessed with trying to bring in the far-right anyway?

[Great Feng]

A threat to democracy and cooperation in Asia under Western Guidance. Control of World Markets.
If anything, China is a boon to democracy and cooperation in Asia under Western guidance. Have you been paying attention to how East Asian and Southeast Asian countries have been quietly sidling up to good ol' Uncle Sam these past... I'd say, eight years now, maybe?

The discussion you quoted was about how America taking in Jewish immigrants would not have resulted in Jews not getting the shaft from Nazi Germany.

Try to keep up.

Your insecurity is getting annoying. Attack my positions and my values viciously and quit with the masturbatory ego stroking.

I would agree. Authoritarianism is some real bullshit. The only difference between left and right authoritarianism is *who* it's directed at.

pray tell, what do Left Wing Authoritarianism and Right Wing Authoritarianism direct their authoritarianism at?

[Ostroeuropa]

Why is everyone so obsessed with trying to bring in the far-right anyway?

Because the left has become anti-western, anti-white, anti-male, and pro-islam, and in many cases, pro-corporatism and globalism. It no longer represents the working class, and it's figureheads openly hold contempt for them and their views. It's a middle class movement of upper-level managers bitching and complaining they aren't paid as much as CEOs.

Because the right is pro-corporatism and pro-globalism, and merely silent on all those other issues, the party of CEOs.

From the perspective of the voters at least.

The far-right makes allusions to collective solidarity for the nation, pride of heritage and western civilization, a nationalist economy rather than one that serves an international business elite, and REAL equality among people in the west, provided they be western.

[Novus America]

I'm glad that a party supporting Feminism and women's rights finally achieved power in Austria, smashing the patriarchal reactionary power who wished to limit abortion (by "giving women a mandatory time of reflection before being able to performing an abortion" - that was FPO political programme) and banning lesbians from marriage, adoptions and having artificial inseminations.
I'm also pretty sure that the Green Party will immediatly crack down on prostitution by adopting the Swedish Model, since they supported Swedish Model as European policy in the vote within EU Parliament on Februray 2014.

Umm wow. You realize the guy is not even a green and that the president there has no real power?

[Great Feng]

There are an infinite variety of possibilities. It could rain puppies and kittens. But I think when escalating violence in a pattern that has historically resulted in genocide is occurring, it's pretty safe to respond with derision to a mocking statement about how the situation is nothing like the Holocaust and far-right parties are just Cool Bro.

It is still false. Most of the current far right are not Nazis. Pulling a Godwin is still silly.

Again I do not agree the European far right. But that does not mean they are Nazis ready for a new Holocaust.

And again while genocide can happen it is not the only nor most likely outcome.

Well, it won't for sure happen, but you know, as things go on, they will likely become more and more extreme. Humans tend to become more and more extremist in their views over time, so don't count it out completely, it is still realistic, and has a...hmm....52% chance of occurring eventually.

[Valaran]

Humans tend to become more and more extremist in their views over time

Really?

[Conserative Morality]

So you just want to talk about semantics. Fair enough. You know common thing when someone is losing in a debate is they distract the opponent with semantics.

When semantics is relevant to the argument, like when an opponent claims you made a point you didn't make because they don't understand basic grammar? Nothing wrong with that.

Shame we can't seem to test that with a rational response.

And yet, still ad hominem.

'no u r the irrational side stop ad hominem'

You're funny.

Source it.

Source... what, exactly? I've no numbers or articles I'm arguing against. You made a claim; I made a counterclaim. I feel no need to dig around my disorganized-ass source folder for someone whom I don't think is taking the argument seriously.

[Novus America]

Russia and Hungary are already ruled by the far right. Fidez is far far right. Jobbik straight up Nazis.

Putin is not the Russian far-right lol (though elements of United Russia are). Zhirinovsky is much closer to that bill.

Fidez is not far right by Hungarian standards. By your standards, sure.

Well far left and far right is relative. Russia and Hungary are far right, even compared to the US. Farther far right does not mean the less batshit insane far right is not far right. And also the pure left right spectrum is screwed up anyways.

[Great Feng]

Why is everyone so obsessed with trying to bring in the far-right anyway?

Because the left has become anti-western, anti-white, anti-male, and pro-islam, and in many cases, pro-corporatism and globalism. It no longer represents the working class, and it's figureheads openly hold contempt for them and their views.
Because the right is pro-corporatism and pro-globalism, and merely silent on all those other issues.

From the perspective of the voters at least.

Umm...I'm Leftist, yet I'm against Corporatism, against Racial bias and pro equal treatment, I'm Pro-all religions, and anti discrimination against any religion, including Islam. I defend what I believe is the constitution of the USA, and human rights.
Freedom of religion is a human right, that also means that people should be free to be any religion they want inside your country, and not be discriminated against.
I'm neutral-White, as I believe race is a ridiculous thing to judge people by, and all races should be treated equally.
That's not called being anti-white, it's called being pro-every race.

[MERIZoC]

I'm glad that a party supporting Feminism and women's rights finally achieved power in Austria, smashing the patriarchal reactionary power who wished to limit abortion (by "giving women a mandatory time of reflection before being able to performing an abortion" - that was FPO political programme) and banning lesbians from marriage, adoptions and having artificial inseminations.
I'm also pretty sure that the Green Party will immediatly crack down on prostitution by adopting the Swedish Model, since they supported Swedish Model as European policy in the vote within EU Parliament on Februray 2014.

Umm wow. You realize the guy is not even a green and that the president there has no real power?

He's a former Green leader who was backed by them....

It's quite appropriate to call him a Green.

[Starkeland]

Why is everyone so obsessed with trying to bring in the far-right anyway?

Equal representation of ideals, perhaps? The far-left has had a monopoly on the dissemination of ideas and therefore market of ideas for a while now; the far-right hasn't had much of a representation. You seriously don't think it's only coincidence that there are far more old conservatives than there are young ones, do you? It's because young people are being taught far-left principles in universities for a while now, and far-right education is basically considered fringe by the left-wing mainstream and therefore discredited.

That, in long form, is why the "far-right" is looking for representation.

[Novus America]

It is still false. Most of the current far right are not Nazis. Pulling a Godwin is still silly.

Again I do not agree the European far right. But that does not mean they are Nazis ready for a new Holocaust.

And again while genocide can happen it is not the only nor most likely outcome.

Well, it won't for sure happen, but you know, as things go on, they will likely become more and more extreme. Humans tend to become more and more extremist in their views over time, so don't count it out completely, it is still realistic, and has a...hmm....52% chance of occurring eventually.

I disagree. Increasing extremism is not inevitable.

[Novus America]

Umm wow. You realize the guy is not even a green and that the president there has no real power?

He's a former Green leader who was backed by them....

It's quite appropriate to call him a Green.

Well it still does not represent the Greens "coming to power". And he was elected by a broad coalition, not just Greens.

[Vassenor]

Because the left has become anti-western, anti-white, anti-male, and pro-islam, and in many cases, pro-corporatism and globalism.

Oh, we're seriously doing this? Are we seriously just going to wheel out the "white genocide" myth and all that jazz?

[Conserative Morality]

How about they have huge numbers of ballistic missile prepared to level our bases in the Pacific?

How about 'their economy relies so much on the US market that it'd collapse in an instant if they ever declared war on us or cut off trade'?

Perhaps their growing submarine fleet which has a numerical superiority in the region? The fact try are seizing the Spratly's with impunity from our allies and threatening to cut off our acces to the South China Sea? Again you head is in the sand.

Right, not like the Spratlys are disputed or anything. Nope, ROC, Vietnam, Malaysia, etc, are all absent from the Spratlys. Damn ChiComs, taking island chains unchallenged!

Obviously the Nazi policy was horrible regardless. But again bad =/= the Holocaust.

And yes Nazism was Natavist. They did not considere the Jews true natives, regardless of how long they lived there. Like Hamas, the IRA, ect. Pan Germanic is not mutually exclusive with Nativism. However if it was it would undermine your argument as the current far right is Nativist! Not pan Germanic!

The two aren't mutually exclusive, no.

But considering that Nazi Germany was not pursuing a 'only if born in Germany, you're a German' view of things and were, in fact, quite open to Germans from elsewhere joining the GLORIOUS THIRD REICH, calling it a nativist movement is kind of silly.

The Holocaust was exceptional in its scope. And most scapegoating of minorities dies not result in genocides. Certainly genocide can occur. But does not usually.

My point is not that the far right are good. They are not. My point is your screaming the far right is going to cause a second Holocaust is absurd. Most of the far right are not Neo Nazis nor genocidal. You can disagree with a group without resorting to hyperbole and strawmen.

There is no hyperbole nor strawmen. The far-right is cultivating the conditions for crimes against humanity. I don't claim that they have some grand plan to do so. I claim that's the natural result of what they're doing if not stopped.