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Favourite Fictional Right-Wing Dictator

General Admiral Haffaz Aladeen (The Dictator)
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Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars)
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The Emperor (WH40k)
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23%
Autarch Scolar Visari (Killzone)
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3%
President Snow (The Hunger Games trilogy)
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10%
Sauron (Lord of the Rings)
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11%
Arcturus Mengsk (StarCraft series)
4
2%
Big Brother (Nineteen Eighty-Four)
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Postby Threeman » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:43 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Threeman wrote:
Again, testifying with a gun to your head usually does not yield the truth. Thus why those "confessions" to the (((Allies))) usually contradicted each other.

Why would they give up prisoners they thought would be useful as bargaining chips? Many prisoners were left behind at many camps because they wouldn't be useful in such a scenario and so they were dumped on the (((Allies))) as deadweight

Bargaining chips for what? The Nazis never intended to surrender.


Handing over prisoners would effectively require a ceasefire on at least part of the front. This would allow them to free some German PaWs and give them time to regroup, pass out supplies, plan a strategy, rest, etc. A short ceasefire would have all kinds of help for them so it would make sense to hold potential bargaining chips to force this to happen if they could.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:47 pm

Threeman wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:You do realize that they actually tried the Nazis, and that the Nazis got to testify in their defense, right? None of them denied that it happened.

Also, if they couldn't feed the prisoners, why did they take the prisoners with them when they retreated? Why not give the allies the burden of having to care for the starving prisoners instead?


Again, testifying with a gun to your head usually does not yield the truth. Thus why those "confessions" to the (((Allies))) usually contradicted each other.

Why would they give up prisoners they thought would be useful as bargaining chips? Many prisoners were left behind at many camps because they wouldn't be useful in such a scenario and so they were dumped on the (((Allies))) as deadweight

If the Nazis were forced to confess against themselves, why would contradictions be present if the stories were malleable through Allied meddling? Furthermore, if they were held at 'gunpoint' to confess, it means that they knew they'd be executed or imprisoned no matter the situation. Wouldn't that be an opportunity to defend their innocence? What about former SS officers like Hans Münch, Josef Klehr, Oswald Kaduk, and Oskar Gröning who were all eyewitnesses to Nazi brutality?

What would the Allies have to gain from making up the Holocaust? They never expressed such treatment to the German Empire.
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Postby Threeman » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:50 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:More holohoaxers running around trying to claim that this was all a glorious trick to give the Jews nine zillion dollars or something, eh? Fuckin' A, m80 now run along.


Never said anything about the jews. It was Soviet propaganda to allow them to take as much land as possible with a "valid" reason. Basically, it gave them a reason to start the Cold War and assert themselves as a superpower. Remember, Israel originally had pretty fantastic relations with the Soviet Union. Sure, the jews took advantage of the propaganda but why wouldn't they?

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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:52 pm

Threeman wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:More holohoaxers running around trying to claim that this was all a glorious trick to give the Jews nine zillion dollars or something, eh? Fuckin' A, m80 now run along.


Never said anything about the jews. It was Soviet propaganda to allow them to take as much land as possible with a "valid" reason. Basically, it gave them a reason to start the Cold War and assert themselves as a superpower. Remember, Israel originally had pretty fantastic relations with the Soviet Union. Sure, the jews took advantage of the propaganda but why wouldn't they?

The western Allies would have no reason to go along with such a fabrication on account of their rivalry with the Soviets.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:54 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Threeman wrote:
Never said anything about the jews. It was Soviet propaganda to allow them to take as much land as possible with a "valid" reason. Basically, it gave them a reason to start the Cold War and assert themselves as a superpower. Remember, Israel originally had pretty fantastic relations with the Soviet Union. Sure, the jews took advantage of the propaganda but why wouldn't they?

The western Allies would have no reason to go along with such a fabrication on account of their rivalry with the Soviets.


inb4 fdr is a secrit commie.
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Postby Ashkera » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:54 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:More holohoaxers running around trying to claim that this was all a glorious trick to give the Jews nine zillion dollars or something, eh? Fuckin' A, m80 now run along.

Obviously if the Jews are that awesome, they deserve to run the world.

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Postby Threeman » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:56 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Threeman wrote:
Again, testifying with a gun to your head usually does not yield the truth. Thus why those "confessions" to the (((Allies))) usually contradicted each other.

Why would they give up prisoners they thought would be useful as bargaining chips? Many prisoners were left behind at many camps because they wouldn't be useful in such a scenario and so they were dumped on the (((Allies))) as deadweight

If the Nazis were forced to confess against themselves, why would contradictions be present if the stories were malleable through Allied meddling? Furthermore, if they were held at 'gunpoint' to confess, it means that they knew they'd be executed or imprisoned no matter the situation. Wouldn't that be an opportunity to defend their innocence? What about former SS officers like Hans Münch, Josef Klehr, Oswald Kaduk, and Oskar Gröning who were all eyewitnesses to Nazi brutality?

What would the Allies have to gain from making up the Holocaust? They never expressed such treatment to the German Empire.


They hoped they wouldn't be executed. Thus why so many lied. Most humans would do the same. Not exactly hard to understand.

For one, it allowed the Soviets to take a massive amount of land for their future plans and made them a superpower so...
You have got to be kidding about the last part though. The Entente raped the German Empire. If they had played nice with the Germans WWII would probably not have happened and Hitler would never have any chance at taking power. The (((Allies))) despised Germany in both wars. They even blamed Germany for starting WWI when Germany wasn't anywhere near the first to declare war or assassinate an Archduke or mobilize it's military or you know, start the war. Germany was always treated poorly because it was so powerful that it posed a threat to them.

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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:58 pm

Threeman wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:If the Nazis were forced to confess against themselves, why would contradictions be present if the stories were malleable through Allied meddling? Furthermore, if they were held at 'gunpoint' to confess, it means that they knew they'd be executed or imprisoned no matter the situation. Wouldn't that be an opportunity to defend their innocence? What about former SS officers like Hans Münch, Josef Klehr, Oswald Kaduk, and Oskar Gröning who were all eyewitnesses to Nazi brutality?

What would the Allies have to gain from making up the Holocaust? They never expressed such treatment to the German Empire.


They hoped they wouldn't be executed. Thus why so many lied. Most humans would do the same. Not exactly hard to understand.

For one, it allowed the Soviets to take a massive amount of land for their future plans and made them a superpower so...
You have got to be kidding about the last part though. The Entente raped the German Empire. If they had played nice with the Germans WWII would probably not have happened and Hitler would never have any chance at taking power. The (((Allies))) despised Germany in both wars. They even blamed Germany for starting WWI when Germany wasn't anywhere near the first to declare war or assassinate an Archduke or mobilize it's military or you know, start the war. Germany was always treated poorly because it was so powerful that it posed a threat to them.


You realize that triple parenthesis bullshit costs you all credibility right?
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Postby Threeman » Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:59 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Threeman wrote:
Never said anything about the jews. It was Soviet propaganda to allow them to take as much land as possible with a "valid" reason. Basically, it gave them a reason to start the Cold War and assert themselves as a superpower. Remember, Israel originally had pretty fantastic relations with the Soviet Union. Sure, the jews took advantage of the propaganda but why wouldn't they?

The western Allies would have no reason to go along with such a fabrication on account of their rivalry with the Soviets.


They would actually. In order to oppose the Soviets they need a reason to set up their own puppet states and install stay behind forces like in Gladio. They also wouldn't want to anger the Soviets as the Soviets could then decide to invade Japan and further expand their sphere of influence where it could have been prevented. The (((Allies))) had plenty to gain by going along with such a hoax. It also allowed them to form the U.N. and give themselves veto powers because they were "protectors"

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Postby Threeman » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:00 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Threeman wrote:
They hoped they wouldn't be executed. Thus why so many lied. Most humans would do the same. Not exactly hard to understand.

For one, it allowed the Soviets to take a massive amount of land for their future plans and made them a superpower so...
You have got to be kidding about the last part though. The Entente raped the German Empire. If they had played nice with the Germans WWII would probably not have happened and Hitler would never have any chance at taking power. The (((Allies))) despised Germany in both wars. They even blamed Germany for starting WWI when Germany wasn't anywhere near the first to declare war or assassinate an Archduke or mobilize it's military or you know, start the war. Germany was always treated poorly because it was so powerful that it posed a threat to them.


You realize that triple parenthesis bullshit costs you all credibility right?


It really doesn't . Unless you are a racist (((Renewed Imperial Germany)))

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Postby Individual Thought Patterns » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:05 pm

Threeman wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
You realize that triple parenthesis bullshit costs you all credibility right?


It really doesn't . Unless you are a racist (((Renewed Imperial Germany)))

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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:06 pm

Threeman wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:If the Nazis were forced to confess against themselves, why would contradictions be present if the stories were malleable through Allied meddling? Furthermore, if they were held at 'gunpoint' to confess, it means that they knew they'd be executed or imprisoned no matter the situation. Wouldn't that be an opportunity to defend their innocence? What about former SS officers like Hans Münch, Josef Klehr, Oswald Kaduk, and Oskar Gröning who were all eyewitnesses to Nazi brutality?

What would the Allies have to gain from making up the Holocaust? They never expressed such treatment to the German Empire.


They hoped they wouldn't be executed. Thus why so many lied. Most humans would do the same. Not exactly hard to understand.

For one, it allowed the Soviets to take a massive amount of land for their future plans and made them a superpower so...
You have got to be kidding about the last part though. The Entente raped the German Empire. If they had played nice with the Germans WWII would probably not have happened and Hitler would never have any chance at taking power. The (((Allies))) despised Germany in both wars. They even blamed Germany for starting WWI when Germany wasn't anywhere near the first to declare war or assassinate an Archduke or mobilize it's military or you know, start the war. Germany was always treated poorly because it was so powerful that it posed a threat to them.

WWI was quite clear in how both sides committed atrocities. But even then, the German Empire wasn't accused of genocide.
Although they were responsible for blowing the whole war out of proportion.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:06 pm

Threeman wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Bargaining chips for what? The Nazis never intended to surrender.


Handing over prisoners would effectively require a ceasefire on at least part of the front. This would allow them to free some German PaWs and give them time to regroup, pass out supplies, plan a strategy, rest, etc. A short ceasefire would have all kinds of help for them so it would make sense to hold potential bargaining chips to force this to happen if they could.

Then why did they never attempt such a truce? The Nazis never even tried to negotiate, because they never wanted to. Hitler didn't want a ceasefire, he wanted the total destruction of his enemies, and that is clear if you have even read a little bit of Nazi ideology.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:07 pm

If Nazis think Jews are basically the smartest race and blacks are the strongest, would that make Eric André the supreme being?
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:07 pm

Threeman wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
You realize that triple parenthesis bullshit costs you all credibility right?


It really doesn't . Unless you are a racist (((Renewed Imperial Germany)))


No it makes you look like an immature purist fuck who can't have an intellectual discussion because they're too busy fellating whatever the latest holohoax bullshit peddler said.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:08 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Threeman wrote:
It really doesn't . Unless you are a racist (((Renewed Imperial Germany)))


No it makes you look like an immature purist fuck who can't have an intellectual discussion because they're too busy fellating whatever the latest holohoax bullshit peddler said.

Don't take the bait. At this point, just sage and move on.
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Postby Neoreactionary » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:08 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Threeman wrote:
They hoped they wouldn't be executed. Thus why so many lied. Most humans would do the same. Not exactly hard to understand.

For one, it allowed the Soviets to take a massive amount of land for their future plans and made them a superpower so...
You have got to be kidding about the last part though. The Entente raped the German Empire. If they had played nice with the Germans WWII would probably not have happened and Hitler would never have any chance at taking power. The (((Allies))) despised Germany in both wars. They even blamed Germany for starting WWI when Germany wasn't anywhere near the first to declare war or assassinate an Archduke or mobilize it's military or you know, start the war. Germany was always treated poorly because it was so powerful that it posed a threat to them.

WWI was quite clear in how both sides committed atrocities. But even then, the German Empire wasn't accused of genocide.
Although they were responsible for blowing the whole war out of proportion.

1918 worst year of my life rip austro-hungarian empire

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Postby The East Marches » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:09 pm

Neoreactionary wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:WWI was quite clear in how both sides committed atrocities. But even then, the German Empire wasn't accused of genocide.
Although they were responsible for blowing the whole war out of proportion.

1918 worst year of my life rip austro-hungarian empire


I cri evrytiem.
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Postby Neoreactionary » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:10 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Neoreactionary wrote:1918 worst year of my life rip austro-hungarian empire


I cri evrytiem.

I mean, I'm not Austrian nor Hungarian, but goddamn do I hate 1918. Slaughtered two of the worlds monarchies.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:12 pm

Neoreactionary wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
I cri evrytiem.

I mean, I'm not Austrian nor Hungarian, but goddamn do I hate 1918. Slaughtered two of the worlds monarchies.

And many others would follow.
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Postby The East Marches » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:14 pm

Neoreactionary wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
I cri evrytiem.

I mean, I'm not Austrian nor Hungarian, but goddamn do I hate 1918. Slaughtered two of the worlds monarchies.


Austria-Hungary did nothing wrong. Serbia had it coming.
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Postby Neoreactionary » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:14 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Neoreactionary wrote:I mean, I'm not Austrian nor Hungarian, but goddamn do I hate 1918. Slaughtered two of the worlds monarchies.


Austria-Hungary did nothing wrong. Serbia had it coming.

Honestly, Serbia is the rotten shit of the Balkans. Idolaters deserved it.

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Postby The East Marches » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:17 pm

Neoreactionary wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Austria-Hungary did nothing wrong. Serbia had it coming.

Honestly, Serbia is the rotten shit of the Balkans. Idolaters deserved it.


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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:17 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Neoreactionary wrote:I mean, I'm not Austrian nor Hungarian, but goddamn do I hate 1918. Slaughtered two of the worlds monarchies.


Austria-Hungary did nothing wrong. Serbia had it coming.


WWI was Russia's fault, imo. But I blame everything on Ivan.
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Postby The East Marches » Tue Aug 16, 2016 3:17 pm

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Austria-Hungary did nothing wrong. Serbia had it coming.


WWI was Russia's fault, imo. But I blame everything on Ivan.


Its really the best policy. Ivan is behind most bad things on God's green earth.
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