Right-Wing Discussion Thread Part Two

[United Marxist Nations]

And if the people don't know what the job is? What if no one knows what their job is?

If no one knows what the job of the State is, including the State, then I can imagine only two scenarios: a. the State is so far down shit's creek without a paddle because it screwed up so badly at its job that it forgot its job, and so did its people, so they are just there, idle. OR b. there is no state to begin with because no one knows what the job of a state / the state is, and thus there is anarchy... which is essentially every person for themselves.

Okay, now, what is the state's job, and why is that it's job?

[Threeman]

Great post mate. You're so edgy.

> Hitler apologist
> thinks Auswitchz and, well, everything involved is a hoax
> calls someone else edgy
> says someone else "won't accept the facts"

Not apologizing for Hitler at all. Apologies require something wrong to have been done first. Sorry Britain, France, and Poland started WWII by slaughtering tens of thousands of ethnic Germans in a matter of weeks and thus forcing Germany to respond as any nation would, even today? Sorry for intering those who were deemed a threat to national security just like all the Allies did? Sorry for keeping those interned free from Typhus to the best of their ability? Sorry that Treblinka literally has zero evidence of a massacre despite claims that 900,000 died there? Sorry only the camps, "liberated", by the Soviets were "death camps" and all of those taken by the Americans and Brits had no evidence of anything remotely similar? Sorry Britain made a documentary clearly showing well fed and healthy prisoners in a camp?

Auschwitz and all the so called "death camps" were taken by the Soviets. How come the Brits and Americans found only healthy prisoners? The Soviets NEVER made any propaganda based on lies though, right? Typical lefty

Yeah, promoting propaganda that has disproved thousands of times is pretty damn edgy. Hipsters like him love to deny facts and promote the hoax because they want to be edgy and go against proven facts. They'll whine about Israel, but they secretly love it and it's genocidal policies yet they pretend like the Nazis committed a genocide and bash them for it despite having literally zero proof to back up their propaganda

[United Marxist Nations]

> Hitler apologist
> thinks Auswitchz and, well, everything involved is a hoax
> calls someone else edgy
> says someone else "won't accept the facts"

Not apologizing for Hitler at all. Apologies require something wrong to have been done first. Sorry Britain, France, and Poland started WWII by slaughtering tens of thousands of ethnic Germans in a matter of weeks and thus forcing Germany to respond as any nation would, even today? Sorry for intering those who were deemed a threat to national security just like all the Allies did? Sorry for keeping those interned free from Typhus to the best of their ability? Sorry that Treblinka literally has zero evidence of a massacre despite claims that 900,000 died there? Sorry only the camps, "liberated", by the Soviets were "death camps" and all of those taken by the Americans and Brits had no evidence of anything remotely similar? Sorry Britain made a documentary clearly showing well fed and healthy prisoners in a camp?

Auschwitz and all the so called "death camps" were taken by the Soviets. How come the Brits and Americans found only healthy prisoners? The Soviets NEVER made any propaganda based on lies though, right? Typical lefty

Yeah, promoting propaganda that has disproved thousands of times is pretty damn edgy. Hipsters like him love to deny facts and promote the hoax because they want to be edgy and go against proven facts. They'll whine about Israel, but they secretly love it and it's genocidal policies yet they pretend like the Nazis committed a genocide and bash them for it despite having literally zero proof to back up their propaganda

Dachau was a death camp that was found by the Americans.

[Northern Davincia]

> Hitler apologist
> thinks Auswitchz and, well, everything involved is a hoax
> calls someone else edgy
> says someone else "won't accept the facts"

Not apologizing for Hitler at all. Apologies require something wrong to have been done first. Sorry Britain, France, and Poland started WWII by slaughtering tens of thousands of ethnic Germans in a matter of weeks and thus forcing Germany to respond as any nation would, even today? Sorry for intering those who were deemed a threat to national security just like all the Allies did? Sorry for keeping those interned free from Typhus to the best of their ability? Sorry that Treblinka literally has zero evidence of a massacre despite claims that 900,000 died there? Sorry only the camps, "liberated", by the Soviets were "death camps" and all of those taken by the Americans and Brits had no evidence of anything remotely similar? Sorry Britain made a documentary clearly showing well fed and healthy prisoners in a camp?

Auschwitz and all the so called "death camps" were taken by the Soviets. How come the Brits and Americans found only healthy prisoners? The Soviets NEVER made any propaganda based on lies though, right? Typical lefty

Yeah, promoting propaganda that has disproved thousands of times is pretty damn edgy. Hipsters like him love to deny facts and promote the hoax because they want to be edgy and go against proven facts. They'll whine about Israel, but they secretly love it and it's genocidal policies yet they pretend like the Nazis committed a genocide and bash them for it despite having literally zero proof to back up their propaganda

I need sources for all of your claims.

[Great Kauthar]

Sorry Britain made a documentary clearly showing well fed and healthy prisoners in a camp?

sauce?

[Northern Davincia]

Sorry Britain made a documentary clearly showing well fed and healthy prisoners in a camp?

sauce?

What's even more surprising is that holocaust deniers pretend not to be proud of the Nazi's attempt at racial extermination.

[The East Marches]

And if the people don't know what the job is? What if no one knows what their job is?

If no one knows what the job of the State is, including the State, then I can imagine only two scenarios: a. the State is so far down shit's creek without a paddle because it screwed up so badly at its job that it forgot its job, and so did its people, so they are just there, idle. OR b. there is no state to begin with because no one knows what the job of a state / the state is, and thus there is anarchy... which is essentially every person for themselves.

Do you know anything about leadership in a practical manner or sense? What is your experience with the topic?

I know enough to say for certain that the State is the State, the Church is the Church, and the State is superior to the Church, not the other way around.

If you have no experience with leadership, then why are you opining about such a thing? Even theoretical knowledge would be accepted at this point.

[The V O I D]

If no one knows what the job of the State is, including the State, then I can imagine only two scenarios: a. the State is so far down shit's creek without a paddle because it screwed up so badly at its job that it forgot its job, and so did its people, so they are just there, idle. OR b. there is no state to begin with because no one knows what the job of a state / the state is, and thus there is anarchy... which is essentially every person for themselves.

Okay, now, what is the state's job, and why is that it's job?

The State's job is the welfare of their citizenry in a rational, secular manner so that nothing corrupts their judgement. Citizenry's welfare is defined as having decent standards of living, being able to live their lives without psychological or physical harm coming to them because of their race, sex, gender identity, or any other reason, and being able to do as they please with their bodies as long as they don't intend to harm others or to commit suicide. As long as the State is able to allow this sort of domestic situation to exist, and preserve it, then it has done its job properly; and in the interest of citizenry welfare, they need large military to protect them, as well as the State to offer military protection from attacks from neighboring nations or potential invaders.

If a State or entity claiming to be a State fails this job, then it has failed as a State and thus has failed its people.

[Threeman]

Not apologizing for Hitler at all. Apologies require something wrong to have been done first. Sorry Britain, France, and Poland started WWII by slaughtering tens of thousands of ethnic Germans in a matter of weeks and thus forcing Germany to respond as any nation would, even today? Sorry for intering those who were deemed a threat to national security just like all the Allies did? Sorry for keeping those interned free from Typhus to the best of their ability? Sorry that Treblinka literally has zero evidence of a massacre despite claims that 900,000 died there? Sorry only the camps, "liberated", by the Soviets were "death camps" and all of those taken by the Americans and Brits had no evidence of anything remotely similar? Sorry Britain made a documentary clearly showing well fed and healthy prisoners in a camp?

Auschwitz and all the so called "death camps" were taken by the Soviets. How come the Brits and Americans found only healthy prisoners? The Soviets NEVER made any propaganda based on lies though, right? Typical lefty

Yeah, promoting propaganda that has disproved thousands of times is pretty damn edgy. Hipsters like him love to deny facts and promote the hoax because they want to be edgy and go against proven facts. They'll whine about Israel, but they secretly love it and it's genocidal policies yet they pretend like the Nazis committed a genocide and bash them for it despite having literally zero proof to back up their propaganda

Dachau was a death camp that was found by the Americans.

No it wasn't. I've actually been to Dachau and even the museum states it was NOT a death camp so where you are getting this is beyond me. It was primarily for German political prisoners

[United Marxist Nations]

Okay, now, what is the state's job, and why is that it's job?

The State's job is the welfare of their citizenry in a rational, secular manner so that nothing corrupts their judgement. Citizenry's welfare is defined as having decent standards of living, being able to live their lives without psychological or physical harm coming to them because of their race, sex, gender identity, or any other reason, and being able to do as they please with their bodies as long as they don't intend to harm others or to commit suicide. As long as the State is able to allow this sort of domestic situation to exist, and preserve it, then it has done its job properly; and in the interest of citizenry welfare, they need large military to protect them, as well as the State to offer military protection from attacks from neighboring nations or potential invaders.

If a State or entity claiming to be a State fails this job, then it has failed as a State and thus has failed its people.

Why, though? Why all of those things?

[United Marxist Nations]

Dachau was a death camp that was found by the Americans.

No it wasn't. I've actually been to Dachau and even the museum states it was NOT a death camp so where you are getting this is beyond me. It was primarily for German political prisoners

Even if it wasn't a death camp, it was not holding "healthy prisoners"

Moreover, you seem to be forgetting that the Nazis themselves never actually denied it.

[The East Marches]

No it wasn't. I've actually been to Dachau and even the museum states it was NOT a death camp so where you are getting this is beyond me. It was primarily for German political prisoners

Even if it wasn't a death camp, it was not holding "healthy prisoners"

Moreover, you seem to be forgetting that the Nazis themselves never actually denied it.

It was clearly a vacation resort.

[Threeman]

Sorry Britain made a documentary clearly showing well fed and healthy prisoners in a camp?

sauce?

Documentary is called, "Night Will Fall". Easy to find on YouTube but posting copyrighted videos seems like a bit of a no no.

Also, why did the Red Cross never sound the alarm on their monthly visits to Auschwitz if it was so terrible? Odd.
http://www.rense.com/lets_stop_with_the ... s.htm.html

[Northern Davincia]

sauce?

Documentary is called, "Night Will Fall". Easy to find on YouTube but posting copyrighted videos seems like a bit of a no no.

Also, why did the Red Cross never sound the alarm on their monthly visits to Auschwitz if it was so terrible? Odd.
http://www.rense.com/lets_stop_with_the ... s.htm.html

Can we have official sources? Better yet, why deny that the Nazis themselves admitted to what was going on in Auschwitz?

[Threeman]

No it wasn't. I've actually been to Dachau and even the museum states it was NOT a death camp so where you are getting this is beyond me. It was primarily for German political prisoners

Even if it wasn't a death camp, it was not holding "healthy prisoners"

Moreover, you seem to be forgetting that the Nazis themselves never actually denied it.

Source?

Of course it didn't hold healthy prisoners by the end of the war. How many Germans were healthy by the end of the war? Exactly. Odd, war torn nations have trouble ensuring the health of their citizens. Surely Syrians have poor health because all warring parties are committing a genocide, right? Those evil Kurds! Oh wait...
Basically, nobody was in good shape by the end of the war. Germans starved. Soviets starved. French starved. Italians starved. PaWs starved. So saying that that somehow shows mistreatment of prisoners is an incredible stretch and just proves those who support this hoax are grasping at straws and need to twist facts around just to try and support their blatant propaganda.

[Great Kauthar]

sauce?

Documentary is called, "Night Will Fall". Easy to find on YouTube but posting copyrighted videos seems like a bit of a no no.

Also, why did the Red Cross never sound the alarm on their monthly visits to Auschwitz if it was so terrible? Odd.
http://www.rense.com/lets_stop_with_the ... s.htm.html

"The 1945 documentary, which showed gruesome scenes from newly liberated Nazi concentration camps, languished in British archives for nearly seven decades and was only recently completed."
"Civilians and German servicemen are shown being forced to tour the camps, past gruesome displays, including shrunken skulls."

[Threeman]

Documentary is called, "Night Will Fall". Easy to find on YouTube but posting copyrighted videos seems like a bit of a no no.

Also, why did the Red Cross never sound the alarm on their monthly visits to Auschwitz if it was so terrible? Odd.
http://www.rense.com/lets_stop_with_the ... s.htm.html

Can we have official sources? Better yet, why deny that the Nazis themselves admitted to what was going on in Auschwitz?

That page has official sources on it. Unless you think the Red Cross is unofficial. Or the word of "survivors" are unofficial.

Source? Most Nazis had no regrets about working there because they felt they did nothing wrong. Which they clearly did not. Sure, you get all sorts of stuff from the Nuremberg trials, and most of those confessions provide information that contradicts each other because testifying with a gun to your head usually doesn't provide the truth for some odd reason.

[United Marxist Nations]

Even if it wasn't a death camp, it was not holding "healthy prisoners"

Moreover, you seem to be forgetting that the Nazis themselves never actually denied it.

Source?

Of course it didn't hold healthy prisoners by the end of the war. How many Germans were healthy by the end of the war? Exactly. Odd, war torn nations have trouble ensuring the health of their citizens. Surely Syrians have poor health because all warring parties are committing a genocide, right? Those evil Kurds! Oh wait...
Basically, nobody was in good shape by the end of the war. Germans starved. Soviets starved. French starved. Italians starved. PaWs starved. So saying that that somehow shows mistreatment of prisoners is an incredible stretch and just proves those who support this hoax are grasping at straws and need to twist facts around just to try and support their blatant propaganda.

You do realize that they actually tried the Nazis, and that the Nazis got to testify in their defense, right? None of them denied that it happened.

Also, if they couldn't feed the prisoners, why did they take the prisoners with them when they retreated? Why not give the allies the burden of having to care for the starving prisoners instead?

[Threeman]

Even if it wasn't a death camp, it was not holding "healthy prisoners"

Moreover, you seem to be forgetting that the Nazis themselves never actually denied it.

It was clearly a vacation resort.

Compared to the frontlines, yeah it was. Compared to being a civilian when the Soviets came, yeah it was. Relatively speaking, they had it pretty good for a freaking world war

[Northern Davincia]

Even if it wasn't a death camp, it was not holding "healthy prisoners"

Moreover, you seem to be forgetting that the Nazis themselves never actually denied it.

Source?

Of course it didn't hold healthy prisoners by the end of the war. How many Germans were healthy by the end of the war? Exactly. Odd, war torn nations have trouble ensuring the health of their citizens. Surely Syrians have poor health because all warring parties are committing a genocide, right? Those evil Kurds! Oh wait...
Basically, nobody was in good shape by the end of the war. Germans starved. Soviets starved. French starved. Italians starved. PaWs starved. So saying that that somehow shows mistreatment of prisoners is an incredible stretch and just proves those who support this hoax are grasping at straws and need to twist facts around just to try and support their blatant propaganda.

Aside from starvation, it's generally accepted that prisoners were routinely tortured and executed throughout the war.

[Threeman]

Source?

Of course it didn't hold healthy prisoners by the end of the war. How many Germans were healthy by the end of the war? Exactly. Odd, war torn nations have trouble ensuring the health of their citizens. Surely Syrians have poor health because all warring parties are committing a genocide, right? Those evil Kurds! Oh wait...
Basically, nobody was in good shape by the end of the war. Germans starved. Soviets starved. French starved. Italians starved. PaWs starved. So saying that that somehow shows mistreatment of prisoners is an incredible stretch and just proves those who support this hoax are grasping at straws and need to twist facts around just to try and support their blatant propaganda.

You do realize that they actually tried the Nazis, and that the Nazis got to testify in their defense, right? None of them denied that it happened.

Also, if they couldn't feed the prisoners, why did they take the prisoners with them when they retreated? Why not give the allies the burden of having to care for the starving prisoners instead?

Again, testifying with a gun to your head usually does not yield the truth. Thus why those "confessions" to the (((Allies))) usually contradicted each other.

Why would they give up prisoners they thought would be useful as bargaining chips? Many prisoners were left behind at many camps because they wouldn't be useful in such a scenario and so they were dumped on the (((Allies))) as deadweight

[United Marxist Nations]

You do realize that they actually tried the Nazis, and that the Nazis got to testify in their defense, right? None of them denied that it happened.

Also, if they couldn't feed the prisoners, why did they take the prisoners with them when they retreated? Why not give the allies the burden of having to care for the starving prisoners instead?

Again, testifying with a gun to your head usually does not yield the truth. Thus why those "confessions" to the (((Allies))) usually contradicted each other.

Why would they give up prisoners they thought would be useful as bargaining chips? Many prisoners were left behind at many camps because they wouldn't be useful in such a scenario and so they were dumped on the (((Allies))) as deadweight

Bargaining chips for what? The Nazis never intended to surrender.

[Northern Davincia]

Can we have official sources? Better yet, why deny that the Nazis themselves admitted to what was going on in Auschwitz?

That page has official sources on it. Unless you think the Red Cross is unofficial. Or the word of "survivors" are unofficial.

Source? Most Nazis had no regrets about working there because they felt they did nothing wrong. Which they clearly did not. Sure, you get all sorts of stuff from the Nuremberg trials, and most of those confessions provide information that contradicts each other because testifying with a gun to your head usually doesn't provide the truth for some odd reason.

The Nazis convicted at the Nuremberg trials had nothing to hide. As for the Red Cross...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... cross.html

[Threeman]

Source?

Of course it didn't hold healthy prisoners by the end of the war. How many Germans were healthy by the end of the war? Exactly. Odd, war torn nations have trouble ensuring the health of their citizens. Surely Syrians have poor health because all warring parties are committing a genocide, right? Those evil Kurds! Oh wait...
Basically, nobody was in good shape by the end of the war. Germans starved. Soviets starved. French starved. Italians starved. PaWs starved. So saying that that somehow shows mistreatment of prisoners is an incredible stretch and just proves those who support this hoax are grasping at straws and need to twist facts around just to try and support their blatant propaganda.

Aside from starvation, it's generally accepted that prisoners were routinely tortured and executed throughout the war.

Yet there is literally no proof of this. Even official German documents list the executions as being extremely low for the number interred. You can't just let prisoners escape and even today escapees have to be killed sometimes so acting like that is shocking is pure propaganda because the (((Allies))) did, and still do, the exact same thing for obvious reasons. It's widely accepted that Jesus was the son of God, but can you prove that? Same thing here. Just because it is accepted does not mean there is even a kernel of truth to it

[The United Colonies of Earth]

More holohoaxers running around trying to claim that this was all a glorious trick to give the Jews nine zillion dollars or something, eh? Fuckin' A, m80 now run along.