Right-Wing Discussion Thread Part Two

[Bakery Hill]

Could damage relationships,

People don't usually do things if its damaging.

Ah if only hahahaha

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

People don't usually do things if its damaging.



Only if you have a puritanical obsession about when sex is ok and when its not.



There is literally nothing to demean.

Studies have shown that people who are more promiscuous have a higher divorce rate, and generally are less happy in marriages.

And? Is marriage the be-all and all now?

[United Marxist Nations]

Studies have shown that people who are more promiscuous have a higher divorce rate, and generally are less happy in marriages.

And? Is marriage the be-all and all now?

It means that it damages people's ability to form lasting relationships.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

And? Is marriage the be-all and all now?

It means that it damages people's ability to form lasting relationships.

Perhaps because not everyone actually wants a long-lasting relationship.

[United Marxist Nations]

It means that it damages people's ability to form lasting relationships.

Perhaps because not everyone actually wants a long-lasting relationship.

Then in what situation will children be brought up and a family stabilized?

[Alvecia]

Perhaps because not everyone actually wants a long-lasting relationship.

Then in what situation will children be brought up and a family stabilized?

Presumably by the people that do want a long-lasting relationship.

[Aelex]

Cultural critique is not bullying. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism.

Sending legions of feminists to spam to force a company to change the design and posing of a character because it was deemed as "too frivolous", however, is very much bullying.

Of course. But we're not talking about individuals here, but rather characters that have been created. And an industry that looks through a male gaze (and an unenlightened one at that), with a habit for making a woman's primary value and function sexual above all else.

Once more, if you're unable to look past the appearance of a character and take interest in her personality, you're the one having a problem here.
To take as an exemple one of my favorite game, Bravely Default, the character of Agnès is very cute and "moe". Does I like her just because of that?
No.
I like her because of her story, her struggle, the relationships she build with other characters through the game, the emotions that she feel and that I, as a player, share with her character. The fact that she is pretty only add to that but is and remain secondary because, once more, much like most of the male population, if i just wanted to look at boobs I would just go watch some porn and not play a fucking video game!

[Dagashi]

Here in the US, I remember when it was fundamentalist conservatives who wanted to censor everything under the pretense of "think of the children." It was stupid then, and no one batted an eye when I criticized them.

Now it's the politically correct left wing which tries to censor everything under the pretense of "equality." It's still stupid now, but the difference is there are people who actually expect you to make the double standard of supporting them.

[Aelex]

Here in the US, I remember when it was fundamentalist conservatives who wanted to censor everything under the pretense of "think of the children." It was stupid then, and no one batted an eye when I criticized them.

Now it's the politically correct left wing which tries to censor everything under the pretense of "equality." It's still stupid now, but the difference is there are people who actually expect you to make the double standard of supporting them.

Well yeah. It pretty much went from "Think of the childreeeeeen!!!1!!1!1" to "Think of the womeeeeeeeeeeen!!!1!!1!1!!".
Not exactly what I would call a positive evolution, personally.

[Ashkera]

What's the big deal with Warhammer ?

The setting of 40k makes left-wing governments there practically impossible. At least left-wing governments of the garden variety.

Something like my Nayba Collective could survive, but they're a Transhumanist cult, despite being a bit anarchic.

[Ashkera]

Regardless, there are plenty of other times where people have to repress their sexuality, for good reason, whether it is within a friendship, a work-relationship, etc.

If I want to fuck, and the other guy/girl wants to fuck, why the hell shouldn't we?

1. There's some stuff to indicate it could be involved in pair bonding, which could be undermined by promiscuity wearing out the mechanism.

2. For the fertile, there is risk of baby. Baby is best raised in stable 2-parent home.

3. It's quite possible that lack of desire for promiscuous women among some men is natural, much like how some women naturally prefer tall men.

4. Disease risk.

[Alvecia]

If I want to fuck, and the other guy/girl wants to fuck, why the hell shouldn't we?

1. There's some stuff to indicate it could be involved in pair bonding, which could be undermined by promiscuity wearing out the mechanism.

2. For the fertile, there is risk of baby. Baby is best raised in stable 2-parent home.

3. It's quite possible that lack of desire for promiscuous women among some men is natural, much like how some women naturally prefer tall men.

4. Disease risk.

To be fair you could probably write up an equally long list for why you shouldn't drink alcohol.

[Ashkera]

It's wrong for them than to try to bully their ideology into other people. Plus, as Gamergate proved, they're far from holding no power nor influence over the video-game industry.

Cultural critique is not bullying. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism.

Women making risquées poses =/= de-humanising women. I can very much enjoy the look of a woman and yet still acknowledge her as an human being. If you're incapable of doing so, you're the one having a problem.

Of course. But we're not talking about individuals here, but rather characters that have been created. And an industry that looks through a male gaze (and an unenlightened one at that), with a habit for making a woman's primary value and function sexual above all else.

Bottom line: women are allowed to have fan service that caters to them, men aren't.

[Bakery Hill]

Cultural critique is not bullying. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism.

Sending legions of feminists to spam to force a company to change the design and posing of a character because it was deemed as "too frivolous", however, is very much bullying.

Of course. But we're not talking about individuals here, but rather characters that have been created. And an industry that looks through a male gaze (and an unenlightened one at that), with a habit for making a woman's primary value and function sexual above all else.

Once more, if you're unable to look past the appearance of a character and take interest in her personality, you're the one having a problem here.To take as an exemple one of my favorite game, Bravely Default, the character of Agnès is very cute and "moe". Does I like her just because of that?
No.
I like her because of her story, her struggle, the relationships she build with other characters through the game, the emotions that she feel and that I, as a player, share with her character. The fact that she is pretty only add to that but is and remain secondary because, once more, much like most of the male population, if i just wanted to look at boobs I would just go watch some porn and not play a fucking video game!

I think you're being willfully ignorant here.

[Bakery Hill]

Cultural critique is not bullying. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism.


Of course. But we're not talking about individuals here, but rather characters that have been created. And an industry that looks through a male gaze (and an unenlightened one at that), with a habit for making a woman's primary value and function sexual above all else.

Bottom line: women are allowed to have fan service that caters to them, men aren't.

Not at all. The concepts of masculinity you find in a lot of these games are just as stupid.

[Ashkera]

1. There's some stuff to indicate it could be involved in pair bonding, which could be undermined by promiscuity wearing out the mechanism.

2. For the fertile, there is risk of baby. Baby is best raised in stable 2-parent home.

3. It's quite possible that lack of desire for promiscuous women among some men is natural, much like how some women naturally prefer tall men.

4. Disease risk.

To be fair you could probably write up an equally long list for why you shouldn't drink alcohol.

I drink maybe once a month. If you go binge drinking, indeed, you are being stupid and shouldn't do that.

If you're having sex only in the context of romantic relationships, it's not nearly so risky.

[Ashkera]

Not at all. The concepts of masculinity you find in a lot of these games are just as stupid.

No, the fact of the matter is that for people that whine about fan service catering to men, they typically don't whine about fan service catering to women.

I'm so tired of the hypocrisy about how only men are bad/evil/oppressive and that the exact same thing done by a woman is "empowering", that I don't care anymore. I'm going to let the horny teens have their Booty Beach Volleyball games without worrying at all until I start seeing some concessions. You want me to care? You gotta trade.

That, and sexuality is natural and tends to leak into things.

[Alvecia]

To be fair you could probably write up an equally long list for why you shouldn't drink alcohol.

I drink maybe once a month. If you go binge drinking, indeed, you are being stupid and shouldn't do that.

If you're having sex only in the context of romantic relationships, it's not nearly so risky.

The definition of binge drinking is, I think, a little too subjective to make this a particularly meaningful analogy.

[Aelex]

I think you're being willfully ignorant here.

How? By saying that male gamers are able to consider female characters in video games as more than meat stacks and have interest in their story and personality? My, such willful ignorance from my part than to dare think that.
Also, once more, there is nothing wrong with fan service. Having cute or sexy characters is neither good nor bad of itself and trying to asexualize and cover everyone just is displaced prudishness.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

If I want to fuck, and the other guy/girl wants to fuck, why the hell shouldn't we?

1. There's some stuff to indicate it could be involved in pair bonding, which could be undermined by promiscuity wearing out the mechanism.

2. For the fertile, there is risk of baby. Baby is best raised in stable 2-parent home.

3. It's quite possible that lack of desire for promiscuous women among some men is natural, much like how some women naturally prefer tall men.

4. Disease risk.

1. Some stuff =/= fact. And, besides. Not everyone wants to be a pair, and some people consider 'relationships' and 'sex' to be separate

2. Condoms/Birth Control/Abortion/Adoption

3. Eh. I mean, not quite sure why a in depth discussion of sexual history would be involved in every encounter.

4. Did I mention condoms?

[The V O I D]

I wish there was a way to inject experiences unto other people's minds. That way, we could inject the experiences - negative and positive - of the LGBT Community as a whole into social conservatives. Then, suddenly, social conservatism would go extinct.

If only...

[United Marxist Nations]

I wish there was a way to inject experiences unto other people's minds. That way, we could inject the experiences - negative and positive - of the LGBT Community as a whole into social conservatives. Then, suddenly, social conservatism would go extinct.

If only...

Utter rubbish. Fuck, I could be considered bisexual to some degree, and Dio is more conservative than I am and is definitely bisexual.

[The V O I D]

I wish there was a way to inject experiences unto other people's minds. That way, we could inject the experiences - negative and positive - of the LGBT Community as a whole into social conservatives. Then, suddenly, social conservatism would go extinct.

If only...

Utter rubbish. Fuck, I could be considered bisexual to some degree, and Dio is more conservative than I am and is definitely bisexual.

You and Dio do not represent the entire LGBT Community or their experiences. And I'm pretty sure you're both committing self-harm, psychologically speaking, in an unintentional manner. Not everyone is willing to do that to themselves just to conform to what you believe is normal.

[Aelex]

I wish there was a way to inject experiences unto other people's minds. That way, we could inject the experiences - negative and positive - of the LGBT Community as a whole into social conservatives. Then, suddenly, social conservatism would go extinct.

If only...

Yeah. No.

[United Marxist Nations]

Utter rubbish. Fuck, I could be considered bisexual to some degree, and Dio is more conservative than I am and is definitely bisexual.

You and Dio do not represent the entire LGBT Community or their experiences. And I'm pretty sure you're both committing self-harm, psychologically speaking, in an unintentional manner. Not everyone is willing to do that to themselves just to conform to what you believe is normal.

What about their experiences could possibly change what we hold to be an eternal truth?