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Favourite Fictional Right-Wing Dictator

General Admiral Haffaz Aladeen (The Dictator)
20
11%
Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars)
44
24%
The Emperor (WH40k)
43
23%
Autarch Scolar Visari (Killzone)
6
3%
President Snow (The Hunger Games trilogy)
18
10%
Sauron (Lord of the Rings)
21
11%
Arcturus Mengsk (StarCraft series)
4
2%
Big Brother (Nineteen Eighty-Four)
15
8%
Adam Susan/Sutler (V for Vendetta)
15
8%
 
Total votes : 186

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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:41 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Yeah true, you've got the caste system. But they're still the most communistic of all the factions and least xenophobic.

Yes, but it isn't hard to be the least xenophobic when the other factions exterminate aliens on site, consider aliens to be trespassers in your eternal empire, or consider aliens to be food. They still forcibly sterilize and enslave aliens.

The other thing to bear in mind I suppose is that Warhammer 40k celebrates the fucked. I dunno if you're supposed to celebrate all the shit that say the Imperium or even Eldar does, and if anyone actually does, they're a little odd. It's supposed to be dark and epic and terrifying. Ideologies of hope sort of don't fit their MO.
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Postby Aelex » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:43 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:Pretty niche, space fantasy, and some do criticize it (e.g. there was an article not long ago criticizing it for not being 'gender-inclusive').

Yeah, didn't they made a ruckus because the space-marine were a man only class of warrior?
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Postby Aelex » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:45 am

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Baltican Union wrote:
Then how is it not demonised by left wing media ?

Because it's a fucking game hahaha

Didn't stopped Kotaku from complaining about shit as trivial as the posing of a character in Overwatch.
I swear, for all its talks of being "sex-friendly", the left is the most puritain wing ever.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:49 am

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Bakery Hill wrote:Because it's a fucking game hahaha

Didn't stopped Kotaku from complaining about shit as trivial as the posing of a character in Overwatch.

Most people barely even know what Kotaku is. What's wrong with them running articles that critique games anyway, that's their job?
I swear, for all its talks of being "sex-friendly", the left is the most puritain wing ever.

Sex as an expression of love between two people is different from de-humanising women.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:49 am

Aelex wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Because it's a fucking game hahaha

Didn't stopped Kotaku from complaining about shit as trivial as the posing of a character in Overwatch.
I swear, for all its talks of being "sex-friendly", the left is the most puritain wing ever.


Yeah, have to say. Slut-shaming is bullshit and both sides do it.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:50 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
I swear, for all its talks of being "sex-friendly", the left is the most puritain wing ever.

Sex as an expression of love between two people is different from de-humanising women.


No sex is a pleasureful activity that some people characterize as an expression of love.
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Postby Nariterrr » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:50 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Aelex wrote:Didn't stopped Kotaku from complaining about shit as trivial as the posing of a character in Overwatch.
I swear, for all its talks of being "sex-friendly", the left is the most puritain wing ever.


Yeah, have to say. Slut-shaming is bullshit and both sides do it.

Women seems to do it particularly.
Honestly who knows what about anything anymore.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:50 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:
Sex as an expression of love between two people is different from de-humanising women.


No sex is a pleasureful activity that some people characterize as an expression of love.

Yeah true. But call me an old fashioned conservative, but the latter is better for the individual and society.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:51 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:
Sex as an expression of love between two people is different from de-humanising women.


No sex is a pleasureful activity that some people characterize as an expression of love.

It is the most intimate activity that two people can have. I think it is safe to call it an expression of love.
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Postby Nariterrr » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:51 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
No sex is a pleasureful activity that some people characterize as an expression of love.

Yeah true. But call me an old fashioned conservative, but the latter is better for the individual and society.

No dip.
Honestly who knows what about anything anymore.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:51 am

Nariterrr wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Yeah true. But call me an old fashioned conservative, but the latter is better for the individual and society.

No dip.

What?
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:52 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
No sex is a pleasureful activity that some people characterize as an expression of love.

It is the most intimate activity that two people can have. I think it is safe to call it an expression of love.


Its used as an expression of love. At its core all it is is a pleasureful activity that two or more people participate in.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:53 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
No sex is a pleasureful activity that some people characterize as an expression of love.

Yeah true. But call me an old fashioned conservative, but the latter is better for the individual and society.


So I should repress my sexuality just because it makes you feel better? Yeah, sorry, no. Had enough of that.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:54 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Yeah true. But call me an old fashioned conservative, but the latter is better for the individual and society.


So I should repress my sexuality just because it makes you feel better? Yeah, sorry, no. Had enough of that.

Nope. I'm a libertarian. This is my opinion. You do what you want regardless of my feelings.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:55 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Yeah true. But call me an old fashioned conservative, but the latter is better for the individual and society.


So I should repress my sexuality just because it makes you feel better? Yeah, sorry, no. Had enough of that.

Gender identity =/= sexuality. And plenty of people repress their sexuality. If we didn't, there would be a hell of a lot more rape in the world.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:55 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
So I should repress my sexuality just because it makes you feel better? Yeah, sorry, no. Had enough of that.

Gender identity =/= sexuality.


I wasn't talking about my gender.

And plenty of people repress their sexuality. If we didn't, there would be a hell of a lot more rape in the world.


Rape is usually about power dynamic, actually. And its irrelevant, actually, because I wasn't talking about raping people.
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Postby Aelex » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:56 am

Bakery Hill wrote:Most people barely even know what Kotaku is. What's wrong with them running articles that critique games anyway, that's their job?

It's wrong for them than to try to bully their ideology into other people. Plus, as Gamergate proved, they're far from holding no power nor influence over the video-game industry.
Sex as an expression of love between two people is different from de-humanising women.

Women making risquées poses =/= de-humanising women. I can very much enjoy the look of a woman and yet still acknowledge her as an human being. If you're incapable of doing so, you're the one having a problem.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:56 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Gender identity =/= sexuality.


I wasn't talking about my gender.

And plenty of people repress their sexuality. If we didn't, there would be a hell of a lot more rape in the world.


Rape is usually about power dynamic, actually. And its irrelevant, actually, because I wasn't talking about raping people.

Regardless, there are plenty of other times where people have to repress their sexuality, for good reason, whether it is within a friendship, a work-relationship, etc.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:57 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
I wasn't talking about my gender.



Rape is usually about power dynamic, actually. And its irrelevant, actually, because I wasn't talking about raping people.

Regardless, there are plenty of other times where people have to repress their sexuality, for good reason, whether it is within a friendship, a work-relationship, etc.


If I want to fuck, and the other guy/girl wants to fuck, why the hell shouldn't we?
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Postby Aelex » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:58 am

Nariterrr wrote:Women seems to do it particularly.

Pure anecdotal here but I've very rarely heard men call women sluts (or other things of the kind) or shame their on their appeareance while women, or at least the ones I hang out with, do it pretty regularly.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:59 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Regardless, there are plenty of other times where people have to repress their sexuality, for good reason, whether it is within a friendship, a work-relationship, etc.


If I want to fuck, and the other guy/girl wants to fuck, why the hell shouldn't we?

Could damage relationships, damage capacity to build relationships, demean the activity, etc.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:59 am

Aelex wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Most people barely even know what Kotaku is. What's wrong with them running articles that critique games anyway, that's their job?

It's wrong for them than to try to bully their ideology into other people. Plus, as Gamergate proved, they're far from holding no power nor influence over the video-game industry.

Cultural critique is not bullying. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism.

Women making risquées poses =/= de-humanising women. I can very much enjoy the look of a woman and yet still acknowledge her as an human being. If you're incapable of doing so, you're the one having a problem.

Of course. But we're not talking about individuals here, but rather characters that have been created. And an industry that looks through a male gaze (and an unenlightened one at that), with a habit for making a woman's primary value and function sexual above all else.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:00 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:Could damage relationships,


People don't usually do things if its damaging.

damage capacity to build relationships,


Only if you have a puritanical obsession about when sex is ok and when its not.

demean the activity, etc.


There is literally nothing to demean.
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Postby Aelex » Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:00 am

United Marxist Nations wrote:It is the most intimate activity that two people can have. I think it is safe to call it an expression of love.

Well, no. It is very natural really and there is no need to over-hype it. I would still agree with you that it's better when between two persons who love each other as, as I've said earlier, quality should always prime over quantity but, in the end, there is nothing really special to it.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Aug 16, 2016 11:01 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Could damage relationships,


People don't usually do things if its damaging.

damage capacity to build relationships,


Only if you have a puritanical obsession about when sex is ok and when its not.

demean the activity, etc.


There is literally nothing to demean.

Studies have shown that people who are more promiscuous have a higher divorce rate, and generally are less happy in marriages.
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