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Favourite Fictional Right-Wing Dictator

General Admiral Haffaz Aladeen (The Dictator)
20
11%
Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars)
44
24%
The Emperor (WH40k)
43
23%
Autarch Scolar Visari (Killzone)
6
3%
President Snow (The Hunger Games trilogy)
18
10%
Sauron (Lord of the Rings)
21
11%
Arcturus Mengsk (StarCraft series)
4
2%
Big Brother (Nineteen Eighty-Four)
15
8%
Adam Susan/Sutler (V for Vendetta)
15
8%
 
Total votes : 186

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The Grey Wolf
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu May 26, 2016 4:25 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Great Kauthar wrote:I'm 14 and a half

I thought you were doing the "and a half" thing as a joke.

If you aren't, I feel obligated to let you know that it is doing the opposite of helping your case.


Listen to Pruss, he knows what he's talking about, no sarcasm.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu May 26, 2016 4:35 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Great Kauthar wrote:I'm 14 and a half

I thought you were doing the "and a half" thing as a joke.

If you aren't, I feel obligated to let you know that it is doing the opposite of helping your case.

To be fair, you have so few years at fourteen that you can still kinda pick things out at the semiannual level instead of going,"That was... Three centuries ago?"

He also has yet to discover dividing polynomials. Probably hasn't even done the foil method, the poor thing.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu May 26, 2016 4:40 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I thought you were doing the "and a half" thing as a joke.

If you aren't, I feel obligated to let you know that it is doing the opposite of helping your case.

To be fair, you have so few years at fourteen that you can still kinda pick things out at the semiannual level instead of going,"That was... Three centuries ago?"

He also has yet to discover dividing polynomials. Probably hasn't even done the foil method, the poor thing.

>tfw still don't understand the foil method
>tfw still can't solve polynomials
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu May 26, 2016 4:40 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:To be fair, you have so few years at fourteen that you can still kinda pick things out at the semiannual level instead of going,"That was... Three centuries ago?"

He also has yet to discover dividing polynomials. Probably hasn't even done the foil method, the poor thing.

>tfw still don't understand the foil method
>tfw still can't solve polynomials

It's okay, just the exposure will turn boys into men.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu May 26, 2016 5:38 pm

Great Kauthar wrote:
Mahakala wrote:are you like 12

I'm 14 and a half

I'd get out more, if I were you.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu May 26, 2016 6:59 pm

"Libertarian or related (includes anarchism)"

:roll:

Kelinfort wrote:
Great Kauthar wrote:I'm 14 and a half

I'd get out more, if I were you.


Agreed.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu May 26, 2016 7:08 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:"Libertarian or related (includes anarchism)"

:roll:

I hope you're not claiming ownership of anarchism.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu May 26, 2016 7:12 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:"Libertarian or related (includes anarchism)"

:roll:

I hope you're not claiming ownership of anarchism.


But muh intellectual property rights

muh etymological fallacy

muh circular arguments

;)
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu May 26, 2016 7:16 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:"Libertarian or related (includes anarchism)"

:roll:

I hope you're not claiming ownership of anarchism.


The problem doesn't arise from ownership of the word, but Rothbard's' inability to read about words he liked using.

In the same way that anyone who defends class society can't claim to be a communist, anyone who defends capitalism cannot be an anarchist. It's either cognitive dissonance or ahistorical use of the term.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu May 26, 2016 7:19 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I hope you're not claiming ownership of anarchism.


The problem doesn't arise from ownership of the word, but Rothbard's' inability to read about words he liked using.

In the same way that anyone who defends class society can claim to be a communist, anyone who defends capitalism cannot be an anarchist. It's either cognitive dissonance or ahistorical use of the term.

Well, the only requirement for anarchism is abolition of state.
And then we must decide upon which definition of 'state' is correct.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu May 26, 2016 7:22 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
The problem doesn't arise from ownership of the word, but Rothbard's' inability to read about words he liked using.

In the same way that anyone who defends class society can claim to be a communist, anyone who defends capitalism cannot be an anarchist. It's either cognitive dissonance or ahistorical use of the term.

Well, the only requirement for anarchism is abolition of state.
And then we must decide upon which definition of 'state' is correct.


Nuh uh you fascist, anarchy means no rulers, therefore due to my extremely picky definition of anarchism I declare that all measurement must be abolished or else you ain't a true anarchist.

^Ancom logic
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu May 26, 2016 7:22 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I hope you're not claiming ownership of anarchism.


The problem doesn't arise from ownership of the word, but Rothbard's' inability to read about words he liked using.

In the same way that anyone who defends class society can claim to be a communist, anyone who defends capitalism cannot be an anarchist. It's either cognitive dissonance or ahistorical use of the term.


Frankly there's nothing more comical than Rothbard's Manichean individual vs collectivist worldview.

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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu May 26, 2016 7:23 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Well, the only requirement for anarchism is abolition of state.
And then we must decide upon which definition of 'state' is correct.


Nuh uh you fascist, anarchy means no rulers, therefore due to my extremely picky definition of anarchism I declare that all measurement must be abolished or else you ain't a true anarchist.

^Ancom logic

#PropertyIsTheft2016
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu May 26, 2016 7:27 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Nuh uh you fascist, anarchy means no rulers, therefore due to my extremely picky definition of anarchism I declare that all measurement must be abolished or else you ain't a true anarchist.

^Ancom logic

#PropertyIsTheft2016


Property is defined by society. Society is theft!
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu May 26, 2016 7:35 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:Well, the only requirement for anarchism is abolition of state.
And then we must decide upon which definition of 'state' is correct.


This has never been the defining characteristic of anarchism. The state is one social structure that ought to be abolished, in an anarchist analysis. Limiting that analysis solely to the state is not logically consistent.

The debate of the definition of "state" is more of a Marxist-anarchist debate thing.
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Postby Geilinor » Thu May 26, 2016 7:36 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Well, the only requirement for anarchism is abolition of state.
And then we must decide upon which definition of 'state' is correct.


This has never been the defining characteristic of anarchism. The state is one social structure that ought to be abolished, in an anarchist analysis. Limiting that analysis solely to the state is not logically consistent.

The debate of the definition of "state" is more of a Marxist-anarchist debate thing.

Anarchism is the abolition of the state.

That is it.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Thu May 26, 2016 7:39 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
This has never been the defining characteristic of anarchism. The state is one social structure that ought to be abolished, in an anarchist analysis. Limiting that analysis solely to the state is not logically consistent.

The debate of the definition of "state" is more of a Marxist-anarchist debate thing.

Anarchism is the abolition of the state.

That is it.


According to what? Your opinion?

It's like saying "NationStates is forum roleplay. That's it". Yes, P2TM is one aspect of nationstates. It is not the only defining characteristic of the game.
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Postby Spiloebistan » Thu May 26, 2016 7:43 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I thought you were doing the "and a half" thing as a joke.

If you aren't, I feel obligated to let you know that it is doing the opposite of helping your case.

To be fair, you have so few years at fourteen that you can still kinda pick things out at the semiannual level instead of going,"That was... Three centuries ago?"

He also has yet to discover dividing polynomials. Probably hasn't even done the foil method, the poor thing.

Well there's the possibility he's skipped a grade on mathematics.

I learnt about all that stuff at age 14.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu May 26, 2016 7:46 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Anarchism is the abolition of the state.

That is it.


According to what? Your opinion?

It's like saying "NationStates is forum roleplay. That's it". Yes, P2TM is one aspect of nationstates. It is not the only defining characteristic of the game.

So only your definition is correct in this instance?
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu May 26, 2016 7:47 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Anarchism is the abolition of the state.

That is it.


According to what? Your opinion?

It's like saying "NationStates is forum roleplay. That's it". Yes, P2TM is one aspect of nationstates. It is not the only defining characteristic of the game.

So, Anarchism also entails... What, exactly, if not just abolition of the state?
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Thu May 26, 2016 7:49 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
According to what? Your opinion?

It's like saying "NationStates is forum roleplay. That's it". Yes, P2TM is one aspect of nationstates. It is not the only defining characteristic of the game.

So only your definition is correct in this instance?


Even Rothbard admitted they weren't anarchists.

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Postby Grenartia » Thu May 26, 2016 7:51 pm

The V O I D wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Have you ever read Starship Troopers?


Read? :rofl: You think I read! :lol2: /sarcasm

I've seen the movies.


My heart bleeds for you.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu May 26, 2016 7:53 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
According to what? Your opinion?

It's like saying "NationStates is forum roleplay. That's it". Yes, P2TM is one aspect of nationstates. It is not the only defining characteristic of the game.

So only your definition is correct in this instance?


Never changes.

Tribe AnCom is always correct, since Tribe AnCom forces itself to be the standard of what is and isn't anarchist. It's the perfect no-true scotsman fallacy prepped up by the etymological fallacy.
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Postby Grenartia » Thu May 26, 2016 7:54 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
State = government. You cannot have a government without a state.

Incorrect.


What an astounding refutation of my assertion! Brilliantly sourced, and with unbeatable logic! :roll:
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Postby Dremovia » Thu May 26, 2016 8:01 pm

Can't fly without 2 wings, but what the original post says I agree with. CLOSE THE BORDERS! Arrrg enough with globalist nonsense from elitist aholes hell bent to destroy all that was fought and suffered in 2 major wars.... As to the exact reasoning I'll avoid for now ;)

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