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Favourite Fictional Right-Wing Dictator

General Admiral Haffaz Aladeen (The Dictator)
20
11%
Emperor Palpatine (Star Wars)
44
24%
The Emperor (WH40k)
43
23%
Autarch Scolar Visari (Killzone)
6
3%
President Snow (The Hunger Games trilogy)
18
10%
Sauron (Lord of the Rings)
21
11%
Arcturus Mengsk (StarCraft series)
4
2%
Big Brother (Nineteen Eighty-Four)
15
8%
Adam Susan/Sutler (V for Vendetta)
15
8%
 
Total votes : 186

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Right-Wing Discussion Thread Part Two

Postby Great Kauthar » Sun May 22, 2016 7:11 am

Continuing on from the last one...

Poll Question Credits to: The V O I D
New polls every 2 weeks if there is a suggestion

Poll 1: Is Cultural Marxism a Problem? (Jochistan) - 54% Voted Yes
Poll 2: Favourite Right-Wing Politicians? (Kauthar) - 25% voted Donald Trump
Poll 3: Favourite Right-Wing Autocrats (Unnamed Island State) - 45% voted Vladamir Putin
Poll 4: Best Right-Wing Countries (Kauthar) - Putin's Russia 21%
Poll 5: Best Right-Wing Idealogue (Legitimists)

Poll 1: What Right-Wing Ideology do you adhere to? - 55 votes for Libertarian
Poll 2 Favourite Right-Wing Economic System - 31 votes for Neoliberalism
Poll 3: Favourite Right-Wing Dictator - 18 Votes Kai Shek and Pinochet
Poll 4: Favourite Right-Wing Dictator PART 2 - David Cameron 49%
Poll 5: Prominent Right-Wing NSers/Favourite Future Right-Wing Dictator - Old Tyrannia 39 votes/29%
Poll 6: Favourite Fictional Right-Wing Dictators -


This is the second part to the right-wing discussion thread I created in December 2015, which is at the time of writing around 500 pages. I've put in a request for it to be locked and this will serve as the new thread. This is what we will discuss:

•Right-Wing in General
•Right-wing Politics

I will start off by answering the poll, I'm a right-wing populist and traditionalist. I believe that we must preserve traditional moral values and our culture and I believe that we must oppose the political and economic elite and close our borders.

  • The OP is Unfairly banned for something.
  • A left-winger appears, makes a dismissive or vaguely insulting comment, then disappears without making any effort to debate.
  • Someone calls someone else a "liberal" in spite of the fact that they are blatantly not a liberal.
  • Some attempts to impose their arbitrary and counter-intuitive definition of "right-wing" on everyone else, who are all naturally excluded by said definition.
  • A raging debate breaks out about LGBT issues.
  • Down the bottle if Renewed Imperial Germany is involved in starting above debate.
  • OP asks for poll suggestions, promptly ignores all suggestions from people he doesn't like.
  • A left-winger enters and begins ferociously attacking a political strawman with no relevance to the previous topic of discussion.
  • A right-winger appears with views corresponding almost exactly to the above strawman, causing most other right-wingers in the thread to smash their heads against their desks repeatedly until they pass out from severe brain damage and internal bleeding.
  • An NSG veteran reminisces about the time when the NSG Right was still respectable.
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Postby Pranovia » Sun May 22, 2016 7:14 am

Hi again hahaha :)
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Postby Zoice » Sun May 22, 2016 7:27 am

Reliable epistemologies are very important. I'm curious what right wingers think about that statement.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Sun May 22, 2016 8:21 am

Hopefully this thread will be just as much a time waster as the last one.

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Postby Pranovia » Sun May 22, 2016 8:33 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:Hopefully this thread will be just as much a time waster as the last one.

That's a covenant. Hahaha
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Postby Dushan » Sun May 22, 2016 8:37 am

The Grey Wolf wrote:Hopefully this thread will be just as much a time waster as the last one.


I hope so too, less of a YouTube Comment Section Brawl, filled with one-liners. At times though there were some interesting Discussions but the Posts got lost among the mass.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun May 22, 2016 9:04 am

Here we go again. Here's an idea to make this thread a little more interesting: The NSG Right-Wing Discussion Thread Drinking Game.

  • The OP is banned for something.
  • A left-winger appears, makes a dismissive or vaguely insulting comment, then disappears without making any effort to debate.
  • Someone calls someone else a "liberal" in spite of the fact that they are blatantly not a liberal.
  • Some attempts to impose their arbitrary and counter-intuitive definition of "right-wing" on everyone else, who are all naturally excluded by said definition.
  • Traditionalism makes an assertion, then fails to support it.
  • Traditionalism avoids debate by making reference to some vague concept of "the Truth" which everyone else simply doesn't understand.
  • A raging debate breaks out about LGBT issues.
  • Down the bottle if Renewed Imperial Germany is involved in starting above debate.
  • OP asks for poll suggestions, promptly ignores all suggestions from people he doesn't like.
  • A left-winger enters and begins ferociously attacking a political strawman with no relevance to the previous topic of discussion.
  • A right-winger appears with views corresponding almost exactly to the above strawman, causing most other right-wingers in the thread to smash their heads against their desks repeatedly until they pass out from severe brain damage and internal bleeding.
  • An NSG veteran reminisces about the time when the NSG Right was still respectable.


I am open to suggestions for additions to the list.
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Postby Major-Tom » Sun May 22, 2016 9:11 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:Here we go again. Here's an idea to make this thread a little more interesting: The NSG Right-Wing Discussion Thread Drinking Game.

  • The OP is banned for something.
  • A left-winger appears, makes a dismissive or vaguely insulting comment, then disappears without making any effort to debate.
  • Someone calls someone else a "liberal" in spite of the fact that they are blatantly not a liberal.
  • Some attempts to impose their arbitrary and counter-intuitive definition of "right-wing" on everyone else, who are all naturally excluded by said definition.
  • Traditionalism makes an assertion, then fails to support it.
  • Traditionalism avoids debate by making reference to some vague concept of "the Truth" which everyone else simply doesn't understand.
  • A raging debate breaks out about LGBT issues.
  • Down the bottle if Renewed Imperial Germany is involved in starting above debate.
  • OP asks for poll suggestions, promptly ignores all suggestions from people he doesn't like.
  • A left-winger enters and begins ferociously attacking a political strawman with no relevance to the previous topic of discussion.
  • A right-winger appears with views corresponding almost exactly to the above strawman, causing most other right-wingers in the thread to smash their heads against their desks repeatedly until they pass out from severe brain damage and internal bleeding.
  • An NSG veteran reminisces about the time when the NSG Right was still respectable.


I am open to suggestions for additions to the list.


Alcohol poisoning should end the list, it's too damn accurate.
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Postby Great Nilfgaard » Sun May 22, 2016 9:15 am

I personally don't really like the "right-left spectrum"

The best types of government are statist and possess a certain degree of nationalism along with a social safety net for citizens.
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Postby Pranovia » Sun May 22, 2016 9:18 am

Great Nilfgaard wrote:I personally don't really like the "right-left spectrum"

The best types of government are statist and possess a certain degree of nationalism along with a social safety net for citizens.

The best type is totalitarian nationalism, well, for me.
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Postby Great Nilfgaard » Sun May 22, 2016 9:27 am

Pranovia wrote:
Great Nilfgaard wrote:I personally don't really like the "right-left spectrum"

The best types of government are statist and possess a certain degree of nationalism along with a social safety net for citizens.

The best type is totalitarian nationalism, well, for me.


I agree, but it must be a smart- rather than fanatical- nationalism.
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Postby Aterria » Sun May 22, 2016 9:29 am

Hello comrades!! Tagging just to see what the right wingers are saying today.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun May 22, 2016 9:39 am

Pranovia wrote:
Great Nilfgaard wrote:I personally don't really like the "right-left spectrum"

The best types of government are statist and possess a certain degree of nationalism along with a social safety net for citizens.

The best type is totalitarian nationalism, well, for me.

Totalitarian nationalism does not exactly have the best track record.
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Postby Pranovia » Sun May 22, 2016 9:40 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Pranovia wrote:The best type is totalitarian nationalism, well, for me.

Totalitarian nationalism does not exactly have the best track record.

Not crazy racist type, just the neutral Ferdinand Marcos type.
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Postby Great Nilfgaard » Sun May 22, 2016 9:44 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Pranovia wrote:The best type is totalitarian nationalism, well, for me.

Totalitarian nationalism does not exactly have the best track record.


The way I see it this ideology is like fire.

When cavemen first discovered it they likely burned their huts to the ground. But it's power was unmistakable and over time humans learned to master this force and use it for their betterment.

Nationalism is an incredibly potent force that in the right hands can resurrect an entire people from the ashes.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun May 22, 2016 9:46 am

Pranovia wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Totalitarian nationalism does not exactly have the best track record.

Not crazy racist type, just the neutral Ferdinand Marcos type.

A regime famed for its fiscal insolvency and spectacular levels of corruption is not a model I would like to emulate, personally. And I would not consider Marcos to be a totalitarian in the strictest sense of the word; more of an authoritarian.
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Old Tyrannia wrote:
  • Down the bottle if Renewed Imperial Germany is involved in starting above debate.


:rofl:
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Postby Dinake » Sun May 22, 2016 10:40 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:Here we go again. Here's an idea to make this thread a little more interesting: The NSG Right-Wing Discussion Thread Drinking Game.

  • The OP is banned for something.
  • A left-winger appears, makes a dismissive or vaguely insulting comment, then disappears without making any effort to debate.
  • Someone calls someone else a "liberal" in spite of the fact that they are blatantly not a liberal.
  • Some attempts to impose their arbitrary and counter-intuitive definition of "right-wing" on everyone else, who are all naturally excluded by said definition.
  • Traditionalism makes an assertion, then fails to support it.
  • Traditionalism avoids debate by making reference to some vague concept of "the Truth" which everyone else simply doesn't understand.
  • A raging debate breaks out about LGBT issues.
  • Down the bottle if Renewed Imperial Germany is involved in starting above debate.
  • OP asks for poll suggestions, promptly ignores all suggestions from people he doesn't like.
  • A left-winger enters and begins ferociously attacking a political strawman with no relevance to the previous topic of discussion.
  • A right-winger appears with views corresponding almost exactly to the above strawman, causing most other right-wingers in the thread to smash their heads against their desks repeatedly until they pass out from severe brain damage and internal bleeding.
  • An NSG veteran reminisces about the time when the NSG Right was still respectable.


I am open to suggestions for additions to the list.

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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sun May 22, 2016 10:44 am

Dinake wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Here we go again. Here's an idea to make this thread a little more interesting: The NSG Right-Wing Discussion Thread Drinking Game.

  • The OP is banned for something.
  • A left-winger appears, makes a dismissive or vaguely insulting comment, then disappears without making any effort to debate.
  • Someone calls someone else a "liberal" in spite of the fact that they are blatantly not a liberal.
  • Some attempts to impose their arbitrary and counter-intuitive definition of "right-wing" on everyone else, who are all naturally excluded by said definition.
  • Traditionalism makes an assertion, then fails to support it.
  • Traditionalism avoids debate by making reference to some vague concept of "the Truth" which everyone else simply doesn't understand.
  • A raging debate breaks out about LGBT issues.
  • Down the bottle if Renewed Imperial Germany is involved in starting above debate.
  • OP asks for poll suggestions, promptly ignores all suggestions from people he doesn't like.
  • A left-winger enters and begins ferociously attacking a political strawman with no relevance to the previous topic of discussion.
  • A right-winger appears with views corresponding almost exactly to the above strawman, causing most other right-wingers in the thread to smash their heads against their desks repeatedly until they pass out from severe brain damage and internal bleeding.
  • An NSG veteran reminisces about the time when the NSG Right was still respectable.


I am open to suggestions for additions to the list.

[*]A threadjack that belongs in the CDT


Considering the fact that "Theocrat" is a type of Right-Winger, and a lot of Theocrats are dominionists, its not really a threadjack to debate about religious principles being enforced in the law.
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Postby Dinake » Sun May 22, 2016 10:49 am

Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Dinake wrote:[*]A threadjack that belongs in the CDT


Considering the fact that "Theocrat" is a type of Right-Winger, and a lot of Theocrats are dominionists, its not really a threadjack to debate about religious principles being enforced in the law.

An in-depth discussion on the meaning behind, say, Arsenokoitai or "give to the emperor what is the emperor's', however, certainly would be.
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Postby Renewed Imperial Germany » Sun May 22, 2016 10:51 am

Dinake wrote:
Renewed Imperial Germany wrote:
Considering the fact that "Theocrat" is a type of Right-Winger, and a lot of Theocrats are dominionists, its not really a threadjack to debate about religious principles being enforced in the law.

An in-depth discussion on the meaning behind, say, Arsenokoitai or "give to the emperor what is the emperor's', however, certainly would be.


When debating a theocrat, it actually would be because a theocrat views the religon as civil law. Of course, there are other things you can get theocrats on, but "Give unto Caesar" at the the very least is something that is useful to fight a theocrat on their home turf.
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Postby Traditionalism » Sun May 22, 2016 10:55 am

"But in the face of these obstacles, blows, intrigues and persecutions, assaulting us from every direction, having this terrible feeling of aloneness, having nowhere to turn, we opposed all this with a firm determination to die. "The death team" is the expression of these inner feelings of the legionary youth throughout the whole country, to receive death; its determination to go forward, through death." -Corneliu Zelea Codreanu

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Sun May 22, 2016 11:00 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:Here we go again. Here's an idea to make this thread a little more interesting: The NSG Right-Wing Discussion Thread Drinking Game.

  • The OP is banned for something.
  • A left-winger appears, makes a dismissive or vaguely insulting comment, then disappears without making any effort to debate.
  • Someone calls someone else a "liberal" in spite of the fact that they are blatantly not a liberal.
  • Some attempts to impose their arbitrary and counter-intuitive definition of "right-wing" on everyone else, who are all naturally excluded by said definition.
  • Traditionalism makes an assertion, then fails to support it.
  • Traditionalism avoids debate by making reference to some vague concept of "the Truth" which everyone else simply doesn't understand.
  • A raging debate breaks out about LGBT issues.
  • Down the bottle if Renewed Imperial Germany is involved in starting above debate.
  • OP asks for poll suggestions, promptly ignores all suggestions from people he doesn't like.
  • A left-winger enters and begins ferociously attacking a political strawman with no relevance to the previous topic of discussion.
  • A right-winger appears with views corresponding almost exactly to the above strawman, causing most other right-wingers in the thread to smash their heads against their desks repeatedly until they pass out from severe brain damage and internal bleeding.
  • An NSG veteran reminisces about the time when the NSG Right was still respectable.


I am open to suggestions for additions to the list.


We're all going to be stone cold drunk by the time this thread is over.

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Postby Traditionalism » Sun May 22, 2016 11:00 am

Come home, fascists.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Sun May 22, 2016 11:02 am

Traditionalism wrote:Come home, fascists.

https://i.imgur.com/2QcOS2P.png


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