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Postby The balkens » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:30 pm

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Greater United American Republics wrote:Just because I vigorously do things in front of a gilded statue of Milo Yiannopoulos, laugh alongside Steven Crowder and agree with Gavin Mcinnes on Trannys, will Vote Libertarian, and am a White Male in what used to be the Original 13 Colonies (Also a Presbyterian btw) doesn't make my remark of any less worth.

Fair enough. (I was Southern Baptist lol)
Greater United American Republics wrote:And having seen your horribly edgy, contrarion "lol, look at me guys, I fap to Hunter S. Thompson, and am an anarchistic pseudo-socialist new-age beatnick, hurkydurr" posts.....well, are you still that 13 year old that saw "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" and thought "This is who want to be!"? If so, God help us all, and I pity the people who have to deal with you day-to-day.

I take offense at only a few things here.

1. "pseudo-socialist" bruh. no. legit socialist.
2. "new-age" no. just, no. fucking christ. not at all.
3. "saw Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" Absolutely fucking not. I read the book first. And that was much after I'd started doing drugs anyway. Think I was about 17 at the time.
Greater United American Republics wrote:"Humble thyself & hold thy tongue" sounds appropriate, as does "Pride goeth before the fall"

My favorite is "he who does not work, neither shall he eat." And the one where Jesus whips a bunch of capitalists lol good times


You were acting hostile and all of a sudden this crap?

what the hell?

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:34 pm

The balkens wrote:You were acting hostile and all of a sudden this crap?

what the hell?

I get along really well with pretty much anyone who has a good sense of humor.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:36 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
The balkens wrote:You were acting hostile and all of a sudden this crap?

what the hell?

I get along really well with pretty much anyone who has a good sense of humor.

considering his posts, most of that was not humorous.

at all.

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Postby Greater United American Republics » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:39 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
The balkens wrote:You were acting hostile and all of a sudden this crap?

what the hell?

I get along really well with pretty much anyone who has a good sense of humor.



Just came back with some Benchmark and I hate to tell you this, but it sucks-to-be-you. I don't have one, a sense of humor that is; lost it in the Rockies doing some 'work'.
Did you vote Federalist Citizen?

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:40 pm

The balkens wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I get along really well with pretty much anyone who has a good sense of humor.

considering his posts, most of that was not humorous.

at all.

...do you really think he does "things in front of a gilded statue of Milo Yiannopoulos"...? Really, Balk? This is what I mean by a sense of humor.

In terms of being true, nothing I said was "humorous" either. I just said it in a tone I don't use with everyone.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:44 pm

Greater United American Republics wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I get along really well with pretty much anyone who has a good sense of humor.
Just came back with some Benchmark and I hate to tell you this, but it sucks-to-be-you. I don't have one, a sense of humor that is; lost it in the Rockies doing some 'work'.

I thought Calvin took mine along with the feelings, but it turns out drug psychosis does a lot of... stuff, for one's mental state.
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Postby The balkens » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:44 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Greater United American Republics wrote: Just came back with some Benchmark and I hate to tell you this, but it sucks-to-be-you. I don't have one, a sense of humor that is; lost it in the Rockies doing some 'work'.

I thought Calvin took mine along with the feelings, but it turns out drug psychosis does a lot of... stuff, for one's mental state.


No shit.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:49 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Greater United American Republics wrote: Just came back with some Benchmark and I hate to tell you this, but it sucks-to-be-you. I don't have one, a sense of humor that is; lost it in the Rockies doing some 'work'.

I thought Calvin took mine along with the feelings, but it turns out drug psychosis does a lot of... stuff, for one's mental state.

Is that how you call yourself an anarchist while being more of a tankie than me?
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Postby Greater United American Republics » Mon Jun 06, 2016 10:59 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Greater United American Republics wrote: Just came back with some Benchmark and I hate to tell you this, but it sucks-to-be-you. I don't have one, a sense of humor that is; lost it in the Rockies doing some 'work'.

I thought Calvin took mine along with the feelings, but it turns out drug psychosis does a lot of... stuff, for one's mental state.



We have nothing in common, don't make such an implied assumption. I know that wordplay, it's both playing the crowd to avoid a reaction to your blatant sociopathy and a need for supporters to confirm schizoid social philosophies of group behavior. I worked security for 15 years bucko, and not some shitty club-guard bullshit.
Did you vote Federalist Citizen?

"Men did not love Rome because she was great. She was great because they had loved her."
- G.K. Chesterton

Fallout's Lore blended with the USCMC from Aliens and an America that both won the war of 1812 & never suffered a War Between the states, Custer brought his Gatlings alongside a winchester or thirty & America strove to adopt the Lewis Gun alongside a thousand other minor (and major) alterations to the American Timeline.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:02 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I thought Calvin took mine along with the feelings, but it turns out drug psychosis does a lot of... stuff, for one's mental state.

Is that how you call yourself an anarchist while being more of a tankie than me?

Tankies are supporters of states, dictatorial leaders, police forces, and so on.

I wouldn't have sent in the tanks.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:03 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Is that how you call yourself an anarchist while being more of a tankie than me?

Tankies are supporters of states, dictatorial leaders, police forces, and so on.

I wouldn't have sent in the tanks.

>wants forced labor camps
>not a state
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:05 pm

Greater United American Republics wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I thought Calvin took mine along with the feelings, but it turns out drug psychosis does a lot of... stuff, for one's mental state.

We have nothing in common, don't make such an implied assumption. I know that wordplay, it's both playing the crowd to avoid a reaction to your blatant sociopathy and a need for supporters to confirm schizoid social philosophies of group behavior. I worked security for 15 years bucko, and not some shitty club-guard bullshit.

I never assumed you liked me, bud; don't presume shits are given when they're not. Might want to hold back on the blatant insults, though, or your time here will be short. Fair warning, from the all-too-sane object of such cute, fearful flattery. ;)
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Postby Greater United American Republics » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:06 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Tankies are supporters of states, dictatorial leaders, police forces, and so on.

I wouldn't have sent in the tanks.

>wants forced labor camps
>not a state



That would be about as bad as Uncle Sam telling people through a bullshit PR spin job that "It's okay, we're sending disloyal dissenters to Count Rocks in Nevada." Absolutely Totalitarian.
Did you vote Federalist Citizen?

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Fallout's Lore blended with the USCMC from Aliens and an America that both won the war of 1812 & never suffered a War Between the states, Custer brought his Gatlings alongside a winchester or thirty & America strove to adopt the Lewis Gun alongside a thousand other minor (and major) alterations to the American Timeline.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:06 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:>wants forced labor camps
>not a state

Communities could easily keep the former bourgies enclosed so long as they're still around. Not like it would be an actual prison system of any sort, or even widespread. They'd disappear soon enough, anyway.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:09 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:>wants forced labor camps
>not a state

Communities could easily keep the former bourgies enclosed so long as they're still around. Not like it would be an actual prison system of any sort, or even widespread. They'd disappear soon enough, anyway.

By the Marxian definition, that would also still be a state. Under no definition is that not a state.
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Postby Greater United American Republics » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:15 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Greater United American Republics wrote:We have nothing in common, don't make such an implied assumption. I know that wordplay, it's both playing the crowd to avoid a reaction to your blatant sociopathy and a need for supporters to confirm schizoid social philosophies of group behavior. I worked security for 15 years bucko, and not some shitty club-guard bullshit.

I never assumed you liked me, bud; don't presume shits are given when they're not. Might want to hold back on the blatant insults, though, or your time here will be short. Fair warning, from the all-too-sane object of such cute, fearful flattery. ;)



No petty insults here, just descriptors. Fair Warning, you need to try harder than that with attempted subtlety. Alot harder.
Did you vote Federalist Citizen?

"Men did not love Rome because she was great. She was great because they had loved her."
- G.K. Chesterton

Fallout's Lore blended with the USCMC from Aliens and an America that both won the war of 1812 & never suffered a War Between the states, Custer brought his Gatlings alongside a winchester or thirty & America strove to adopt the Lewis Gun alongside a thousand other minor (and major) alterations to the American Timeline.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:19 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Greater United American Republics wrote:We have nothing in common, don't make such an implied assumption. I know that wordplay, it's both playing the crowd to avoid a reaction to your blatant sociopathy and a need for supporters to confirm schizoid social philosophies of group behavior. I worked security for 15 years bucko, and not some shitty club-guard bullshit.

I never assumed you liked me, bud; don't presume shits are given when they're not. Might want to hold back on the blatant insults, though, or your time here will be short. Fair warning, from the all-too-sane object of such cute, fearful flattery. ;)

Not really insults when you said yourself that you have harmed your mental state through excessive drug use. Also, I don't think many people here are exactly afraid of you, and such accusations that we are are why a lot of posters don't take you seriously.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:20 pm

Greater United American Republics wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I never assumed you liked me, bud; don't presume shits are given when they're not. Might want to hold back on the blatant insults, though, or your time here will be short. Fair warning, from the all-too-sane object of such cute, fearful flattery. ;)

No petty insults here, just descriptors. Fair Warning, you need to try harder than that with attempted subtlety. Alot harder.

Lol, and what "attempted subtlety" are you perceiving, hmm? You might want to read the main paragraph before you start inventing shit between the lines. ;) And fine, fine. Do what you want, no need for the big mean italics. Just thought I'd let you know the mods might not look kindly on comments like the above.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:23 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:Not really insults when you said yourself that you have harmed your mental state through excessive drug use.

Damn, I finally have to say this.

That was a joke, UMN. I've never had any type of drug psychosis.
United Marxist Nations wrote:Also, I don't think many people here are exactly afraid of you, and such accusations that we are are why a lot of posters don't take you seriously.

Dear oh dear, another joke. :roll: I'm not serious a good portion of the time I'm here, but when sniped at I'll snipe back. Calm yourself.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:25 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Communities could easily keep the former bourgies enclosed so long as they're still around. Not like it would be an actual prison system of any sort, or even widespread. They'd disappear soon enough, anyway.

By the Marxian definition, that would also still be a state. Under no definition is that not a state.

Yes, under Marx's. The objective would be the abolition of classes within our lifetimes, ASAP, prompt and soon and damn close to immediate. Like, during the revolution. I will say the anarchist revolution is definitely idealized sometimes, but I'm still not on board with the transition state bullshit.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:28 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:By the Marxian definition, that would also still be a state. Under no definition is that not a state.

Yes, under Marx's. The objective would be the abolition of classes within our lifetimes, ASAP, prompt and soon and damn close to immediate. Like, during the revolution. I will say the anarchist revolution is definitely idealized sometimes, but I'm still not on board with the transition state bullshit.

Then how can you say that what you are advocating is in-line with your supposed ideology? And if you just explain it away with something like "continual revolution", then you realize that that is basically just Maoism, right?
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:37 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Yes, under Marx's. The objective would be the abolition of classes within our lifetimes, ASAP, prompt and soon and damn close to immediate. Like, during the revolution. I will say the anarchist revolution is definitely idealized sometimes, but I'm still not on board with the transition state bullshit.

Then how can you say that what you are advocating is in-line with your supposed ideology? And if you just explain it away with something like "continual revolution", then you realize that that is basically just Maoism, right?

Because within an anarchist revolution I can assume Weber's definition will be in use. Considering the bourgeoisie is an active enemy of the revolution - oppressors and a threat - they're not really covered under the achievement of freedom for the working class. The monopoly on force wouldn't exist because it would be the community at large volunteering to enclose dangerous elements so they could not attempt counter-revolution and re-institute the state.

Also, Maoism is pretty cool. MLM, though, not MZT and Third Wordlism and shit. Anarchists and Maoists actually get along really well, like, all the time.
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Postby Greater United American Republics » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:37 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Greater United American Republics wrote:No petty insults here, just descriptors. Fair Warning, you need to try harder than that with attempted subtlety. Alot harder.

Lol, and what "attempted subtlety" are you perceiving, hmm? You might want to read the main paragraph before you start inventing shit between the lines. ;) And fine, fine. Do what you want, no need for the big mean italics. Just thought I'd let you know the mods might not look kindly on comments like the above.



A fine example of "Attempted subtlety" in your case is almost immediate bout-face turn from the rather egregious capacities for aggressive behavior you displayed at the beginning of this discourse. Transitioning from a snarling, spiteful reaction to any/all differing opinions to a whimsically "friendly" attempt at appealing to observers through thinly veiled false platitudes is certainly an example of this. Besides, warning about Moderator intervention when someone gets too close to calling you on your Bull is exactly what happens before the person getting their shit called runs to a symbol of authority to maintain a facsimile of "Keeping their druthers".
Did you vote Federalist Citizen?

"Men did not love Rome because she was great. She was great because they had loved her."
- G.K. Chesterton

Fallout's Lore blended with the USCMC from Aliens and an America that both won the war of 1812 & never suffered a War Between the states, Custer brought his Gatlings alongside a winchester or thirty & America strove to adopt the Lewis Gun alongside a thousand other minor (and major) alterations to the American Timeline.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:40 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Then how can you say that what you are advocating is in-line with your supposed ideology? And if you just explain it away with something like "continual revolution", then you realize that that is basically just Maoism, right?

Because within an anarchist revolution I can assume Weber's definition will be in use. Considering the bourgeoisie is an active enemy of the revolution - oppressors and a threat - they're not really covered under the achievement of freedom for the working class. The monopoly on force wouldn't exist because it would be the community at large volunteering to enclose dangerous elements so they could not attempt counter-revolution and re-institute the state.

Also, Maoism is pretty cool. MLM, though, not MZT and Third Wordlism and shit. Anarchists and Maoists actually get along really well, like, all the time.

But under Weber's definition is still a state. The community at large would still have to have a monopoly on force to prevent the bourg from arming themselves and forming their own state to fight back. Which goes back to my original criticism of Anarchism, that every Anarchist movement in history has 1) created a state, and 2) claimed it was not a state.

No, no, Maoists hate everyone who isn't a Maoist, don't fool yourself. In India, they literally throw ML's off of buildings.
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Postby Greater United American Republics » Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:45 pm

Yeah, Anarchy is retarded in the same sense as deciding a sausage grinder is an excellent alternative to a glove.
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Did you vote Federalist Citizen?

"Men did not love Rome because she was great. She was great because they had loved her."
- G.K. Chesterton

Fallout's Lore blended with the USCMC from Aliens and an America that both won the war of 1812 & never suffered a War Between the states, Custer brought his Gatlings alongside a winchester or thirty & America strove to adopt the Lewis Gun alongside a thousand other minor (and major) alterations to the American Timeline.

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