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Postby Kubra » Wed May 25, 2016 6:21 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Kubra wrote: They're not obsolete for insurgents, who prefer them in the close quarters of urban environments. Easily concealable, relatively cheap ammunition, what's not to like for the brigand on a budget?

The fact that the police and military have body armor designed to stop - you guessed it - pistol rounds.
As much as I want to continue this conversation, on second thought, I don't wanna end up on a watch list after talking about how to best shoot up cops.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed May 25, 2016 6:23 pm

Nasjonal Regjering Norge wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:The fact that the police and military have body armor designed to stop - you guessed it - pistol rounds.

Yeah but what if they don't armor their bullets?


what
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Postby Zoice » Wed May 25, 2016 6:25 pm

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Zoice wrote:So you want more wars between communities and the police?

I want people to have a fighting chance. I'd rather it be a two-sided war than a one-sided orgy of murder and oppression.

Genuinely one of the most pitiful strawmen I've ever seen.

What good will come from it, honestly? In a dystopia, sure maybe it's good. In the west, the only thing it does is get people killed.
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Postby Kubra » Wed May 25, 2016 6:26 pm

Zoice wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I want people to have a fighting chance. I'd rather it be a two-sided war than a one-sided orgy of murder and oppression.

Genuinely one of the most pitiful strawmen I've ever seen.

What good will come from it, honestly? In a dystopia, sure maybe it's good. In the west, the only thing it does is get people killed.
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Postby Republican Union of America » Wed May 25, 2016 6:37 pm

Is this a call to arms? If so, please don't do it. It won't end well for you people.


Giving the silent majority a good reason to lock and load will end with POCs in mass graves.
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Postby Nasjonal Regjering Norge » Wed May 25, 2016 6:39 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nasjonal Regjering Norge wrote:Yeah but what if they don't armor their bullets?


what

I mean armoring the bullets so they don't get hurt.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed May 25, 2016 6:43 pm

Nasjonal Regjering Norge wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
what

I mean armoring the bullets so they don't get hurt.


What does that even mean.

I'm a firearms enthusiast and soon to be manufacturer and I don't get it.
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Wed May 25, 2016 6:43 pm

Republican Union of America wrote:Is this a call to arms? If so, please don't do it. It won't end well for you people.


Giving the silent majority a good reason to lock and load will end with POCs in mass graves.

Why did you repost this on an alt account exactly...?

I dont agree with OP whatsoever, but is this implying the majority wish to see POC murdered on a mass scale?
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Postby The East Marches » Wed May 25, 2016 6:44 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nasjonal Regjering Norge wrote:I mean armoring the bullets so they don't get hurt.


What does that even mean.

I'm a firearms enthusiast and soon to be manufacturer and I don't get it.


I think it might be an english translation issue. Does he mean not letting the bullets be AP?
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Postby Nasjonal Regjering Norge » Wed May 25, 2016 6:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Nasjonal Regjering Norge wrote:I mean armoring the bullets so they don't get hurt.


What does that even mean.

I'm a firearms enthusiast and soon to be manufacturer and I don't get it.

An unarmored bullet is not a safe bullet.
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Wed May 25, 2016 6:45 pm

Nasjonal Regjering Norge wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
What does that even mean.

I'm a firearms enthusiast and soon to be manufacturer and I don't get it.

An unarmored bullet is not a safe bullet.

What in thr seven hells are you talking about?
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Postby Nasjonal Regjering Norge » Wed May 25, 2016 6:46 pm

Rhyfelnydd wrote:
Nasjonal Regjering Norge wrote:An unarmored bullet is not a safe bullet.

What in thr seven hells are you talking about?

Would you use an unarmored bullet? Do you want to get them hurt?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed May 25, 2016 6:48 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
What does that even mean.

I'm a firearms enthusiast and soon to be manufacturer and I don't get it.


I think it might be an english translation issue. Does he mean not letting the bullets be AP?


Maybe yeah, though even bog standard vests and plates could still stop something like AP 9x19 pretty easily.
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Wed May 25, 2016 6:48 pm

Nasjonal Regjering Norge wrote:
Rhyfelnydd wrote:What in thr seven hells are you talking about?

Would you use an unarmored bullet? Do you want to get them hurt?

I am not a subscriber to OPs ideas at all, number one. Second, im pretty sure that is the point of a bullet. You know, hurting.
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Postby The East Marches » Wed May 25, 2016 6:49 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
I think it might be an english translation issue. Does he mean not letting the bullets be AP?


Maybe yeah, though even bog standard vests and plates could still stop something like AP 9x19 pretty easily.


Fuddy-five all day erryday

Trolling aside, most people think all AP bullets eat babies and seek out cops like a guided missile.
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Postby Nasjonal Regjering Norge » Wed May 25, 2016 6:50 pm

Rhyfelnydd wrote:
Nasjonal Regjering Norge wrote:Would you use an unarmored bullet? Do you want to get them hurt?

I am not a subscriber to OPs ideas at all, number one. Second, im pretty sure that is the point of a bullet. You know, hurting.

Bullets do not hurt bullets. You have to armor them.
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Wed May 25, 2016 6:50 pm

Nasjonal Regjering Norge wrote:
Rhyfelnydd wrote:I am not a subscriber to OPs ideas at all, number one. Second, im pretty sure that is the point of a bullet. You know, hurting.

Bullets do not hurt bullets. You have to armor them.

I....give up. I have no idea what youre trying to say with this.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed May 25, 2016 6:52 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Maybe yeah, though even bog standard vests and plates could still stop something like AP 9x19 pretty easily.


Fuddy-five all day erryday

Trolling aside, most people think all AP bullets eat babies and seek out cops like a guided missile.


Fuddy-five be even worse at AP brah.

I can also confirm they do not seek out cops.
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Postby The Polynesian Republic » Wed May 25, 2016 6:53 pm

Not a Bang but a Whimper wrote:As women, LGBT people, and people of color get slaughtered in the streets on a daily basis, I'm starting to think it's necessary the left take a no tolerance approach — by that, I mean by using violence.

Is there any inherent virtue in free speech? What argument is there, beyond a religious and occult idea of being "endowed by our creator" with the right to perpetuate injustice? Consider that bigots already defend rape, murder, and harassment — of course they will object to that assertion, because they themselves have a vested interest in protecting themselves as well as criminals (if any overlap exists) — so is the right to violent expression, by association, not cause for alarm?

Or perhaps it is that they are calling for more than mere expression. While, if this expression had no indirect effects, it might be acceptable, it instead causes irreparable harm that we would combat with violence if it occurred directly. When a legislator passes an order, that is not mere expression.

Is it not right, then, to react to the causes and perpetrators of violence with violence? Is the historic bloc is to be replaced, is it not necessary to act on it as it has acted on us?

What do you dare to think, NSG?


Considering men are murdered MUCH more often than women in western societies, your first two words are invalid.

If you don't think so, I'm going to need a source.

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Postby Nasjonal Regjering Norge » Wed May 25, 2016 6:56 pm

Rhyfelnydd wrote:
Nasjonal Regjering Norge wrote:Bullets do not hurt bullets. You have to armor them.

I....give up. I have no idea what youre trying to say with this.

Listen be at peace with yourself and you'll see.
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Postby Rhyfelnydd » Wed May 25, 2016 6:58 pm

Nasjonal Regjering Norge wrote:
Rhyfelnydd wrote:I....give up. I have no idea what youre trying to say with this.

Listen be at peace with yourself and you'll see.

Right.
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Postby The East Marches » Wed May 25, 2016 7:11 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Fuddy-five all day erryday

Trolling aside, most people think all AP bullets eat babies and seek out cops like a guided missile.


Fuddy-five be even worse at AP brah.

I can also confirm they do not seek out cops.


Honestly, fuddy five is aids. 9 mm lyfe 4 lyfe.

Also acceptable is 10 mm.

Good luck explaining that fact about AP to the Brady Campaign. I wish you god speed in your endevours.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed May 25, 2016 7:13 pm

Kubra wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Go to the range, I'd like a competent foe on the other side of the barricades. Make sure you take pictures of your targets and shitpost with us on the GunTalk thread.
ain't gonna be no barricades bruv, they were outdated halfway before they stopped being used
At some point, soldiers learned to go around barricades, rather than arranging themselves in line formation in front of them, but folks didn't learn to just stop making em for a fuck long time
The only real innovation was the use of sandbags and stacked paving stones, the only materials that might hinder the path of a spitzer bullet in a meaningful fashion.

But... but... a las barricadas...
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Postby Nasjonal Regjering Norge » Wed May 25, 2016 7:13 pm

Rhyfelnydd wrote:
Nasjonal Regjering Norge wrote:Listen be at peace with yourself and you'll see.

Right.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed May 25, 2016 7:14 pm

Nasjonal Regjering Norge wrote:
Rhyfelnydd wrote:Right.

makes might.

Political power grows from the barrel of a gun.
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