Necessitating Violence

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

No, it isn't. The best case scenario is that you get off lightly for shooting at police. The much more likely scenario is that you and other people nearby are killed or injured, and you end up with people going after cops intentionally. Police brutality should be dealt with, but not by vigilantism.

How will you deal with it then? How do you deal with a government that is abusing you and doesn't particularly care to stop?

We aren't talking about the US, I hope. Because that seems to be what Zoice is talking about.

I see where you are coming from. In places like China and Russia, some healthy student action isn't enough (although China may be on the up end now) and other types of resistance are needed. I'd say take part in a conspiracy to overthrow the state to make the secret police honest once in awhile, but that usually doesn't end up well.

[United Marxist Nations]

How will you deal with it then? How do you deal with a government that is abusing you and doesn't particularly care to stop?

We aren't talking about the US, I hope. Because that seems to be what Zoice is talking about.

I see where you are coming from. In places like China and Russia, some healthy student action isn't enough (although China may be on the up end now) and other types of resistance are needed. I'd say take part in a conspiracy to overthrow the state to make the secret police honest once in awhile, but that usually doesn't end up well.

It applies to any society. I don't think the US is to that point, but largely because the worst abuses were dealt with a long time ago.

[Zoice]

How will you deal with it then? How do you deal with a government that is abusing you and doesn't particularly care to stop?

We aren't talking about the US, I hope. Because that seems to be what Zoice is talking about.

I see where you are coming from. In places like China and Russia, some healthy student action isn't enough (although China may be on the up end now) and other types of resistance are needed. I'd say take part in a conspiracy to overthrow the state to make the secret police honest once in awhile, but that usually doesn't end up well.

Yeah, I was speaking only about the US, where there is some democratic system in place, and some small measure of accountability.

[Salus Maior]

Then use it as a last resort. What we have now is not beyond hope, it won't get fixed tomorrow, but in time things will get better.

I mean come on, historically speaking, racial minorities and LGBT have more rights than ever before. Yes, there's people pushing back, but that's no reason to overthrow the government just because our world isn't perfect. And igniting a civil war isn't going to somehow make the world perfect.

If it weren't for certain people we wouldn't have had to fight for those rights. And, keyword fight. I don't think it's accurate to say all the rights of the oppressed arose from petitions and talks with the Sheriff.

So what, you think slaughtering the Westboro Baptist Church and the KKK in the streets and causing a war between people like them and LGBT is the right thing?

[Nasjonal Regjering Norge]

lol edgy teenage leftist wannabe terrorists lol

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

If it weren't for certain people we wouldn't have had to fight for those rights. And, keyword fight. I don't think it's accurate to say all the rights of the oppressed arose from petitions and talks with the Sheriff.

So what, you think slaughtering the Westboro Baptist Church and the KKK in the streets and causing a war between people like them and LGBT is the right thing?

Richmond Valentine anyone?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Malcolm X had a good quote on the subject: "Concerning non-violence: it is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks."

The only gun control I support is controlling the flow of arms and directing it into the hands of oppressed and marginalized groups, away from the establishment and reactionaries. This is one of the biggest issues with liberalism. They want to make some of the most vulnerable people in society - such as the mentally ill, who are much more likely to be victims of violence than to turn a weapon on themselves - even more vulnerable by depriving them of the equalizing power of firearms. Oh, and charging for licenses and classes and so on - a popular avenue to ensure underprivileged members of society, the lower classes, have no means of empowering themselves. Stripping the downtrodden of their right to bear arms forces them to rely on a largely bigoted and unsympathetic police force. It's disgusting.

TL;DR: Less "hands up, don't shoot." More "arms up, shoot back."

So you want more wars between communities and the police?

I want people to have a fighting chance. I'd rather it be a two-sided war than a one-sided orgy of murder and oppression.

Genuinely one of the most pitiful strawmen I've ever seen.

[The balkens]

So you want more wars between communities and the police?

I want people to have a fighting chance. I'd rather it be a two-sided war than a one-sided orgy of murder and oppression.

Genuinely one of the most pitiful strawmen I've ever seen.

and cops will likely get bigger and better guns.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Malcolm X had a good quote on the subject: "Concerning non-violence: it is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks."

The only gun control I support is controlling the flow of arms and directing it into the hands of oppressed and marginalized groups, away from the establishment and reactionaries. This is one of the biggest issues with liberalism. They want to make some of the most vulnerable people in society - such as the mentally ill, who are much more likely to be victims of violence than to turn a weapon on themselves - even more vulnerable by depriving them of the equalizing power of firearms. Oh, and charging for licenses and classes and so on - a popular avenue to ensure underprivileged members of society, the lower classes, have no means of empowering themselves. Stripping the downtrodden of their right to bear arms forces them to rely on a largely bigoted and unsympathetic police force. It's disgusting.

TL;DR: Less "hands up, don't shoot." More "arms up, shoot back."

"hey fam, i got a dumb idea, lets get more people killed."

"i got ya."

You hate the poor and minorities so fucking much you'd tell them to be led peacefully to the slaughterhouse? How the fuck does that actually work itself out in your head? "If you try to do anything about this brutal institution of violence murder and oppression they'll only murder and oppress even more, so sit down and shut up"? Jesus H Christ, that's absolutely sickening.

[NewVinlandia]

lol edgy teenage leftist wannabe terrorists lol

Ah, the angst is both predictable & amusing the trail of piss streaming down their legs after the first shot went over their heads would poo-poo much of their pop-Marxist enthusiasm quite quickly.

[Nasjonal Regjering Norge]

yes.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

One for the books, boys: I'm actually being mocked as cowardly, angst-ridden, and edgy, by juvenile faux-macho neo-nazis, draped in thin veils of unconvincing aggression, who also apparently have penchants for smiley spam.

Not sure whether to laugh, cry, quit the forums, or go to the range and work on my aim.

[Nasjonal Regjering Norge]

One for the books, boys: I'm actually being mocked as cowardly, angst-ridden, and edgy, by juvenile faux-macho neo-nazis, draped in thin veils of unconvincing aggression, who also apparently have penchants for smiley spam.

Not sure whether to laugh, cry, quit the forums, or go to the range and work on my aim.

You aren't the first comrade Steinbach. Happened to me many times.

[The East Marches]

One for the books, boys: I'm actually being mocked as cowardly, angst-ridden, and edgy, by juvenile faux-macho neo-nazis, draped in thin veils of unconvincing aggression, who also apparently have penchants for smiley spam.

Not sure whether to laugh, cry, quit the forums, or go to the range and work on my aim.

Go to the range, I'd like a competent foe on the other side of the barricades. Make sure you take pictures of your targets and shitpost with us on the GunTalk thread.

[Kubra]

I want people to have a fighting chance. I'd rather it be a two-sided war than a one-sided orgy of murder and oppression.

Genuinely one of the most pitiful strawmen I've ever seen.

and cops will likely get bigger and better guns.

Bigger is oftentimes not better bruv
in the city streets the smg is king

[Kubra]

One for the books, boys: I'm actually being mocked as cowardly, angst-ridden, and edgy, by juvenile faux-macho neo-nazis, draped in thin veils of unconvincing aggression, who also apparently have penchants for smiley spam.

Not sure whether to laugh, cry, quit the forums, or go to the range and work on my aim.

Go to the range, I'd like a competent foe on the other side of the barricades. Make sure you take pictures of your targets and shitpost with us on the GunTalk thread.

ain't gonna be no barricades bruv, they were outdated halfway before they stopped being used
At some point, soldiers learned to go around barricades, rather than arranging themselves in line formation in front of them, but folks didn't learn to just stop making em for a fuck long time
The only real innovation was the use of sandbags and stacked paving stones, the only materials that might hinder the path of a spitzer bullet in a meaningful fashion.

[Nasjonal Regjering Norge]

Go to the range, I'd like a competent foe on the other side of the barricades. Make sure you take pictures of your targets and shitpost with us on the GunTalk thread.

ain't gonna be no barricades bruv, they were outdated halfway before they stopped being used
At some point, soldiers learned to go around barricades, rather than arranging themselves in line formation in front of them, but folks didn't learn to just stop making em for a fuck long time
The only real innovation was the use of sandbags and stacked paving stones, the only materials that might hinder the path of a spitzer bullet in a meaningful fashion.

How you make my day

[The East Marches]

Go to the range, I'd like a competent foe on the other side of the barricades. Make sure you take pictures of your targets and shitpost with us on the GunTalk thread.

ain't gonna be no barricades bruv, they were outdated halfway before they stopped being used
At some point, soldiers learned to go around barricades, rather than arranging themselves in line formation in front of them, but folks didn't learn to just stop making em for a fuck long time
The only real innovation was the use of sandbags and stacked paving stones, the only materials that might hinder the path of a spitzer bullet in a meaningful fashion.

Fucking Kubra and your quality posts. Get that trash out of here. This is NSG afterall.

[The Two Jerseys]

and cops will likely get bigger and better guns.

Bigger is oftentimes not better bruv
in the city streets the smg is king

SMGs have been virtually obsolete since rifles gained selective fire capabilities. They're only good for things like hostage situations where you need accuracy and rate of fire but not a projectile that will go through walls and kill innocent people.

Either way, the rebels don't have anything better than semi-auto anyway...

[Kubra]

ain't gonna be no barricades bruv, they were outdated halfway before they stopped being used
At some point, soldiers learned to go around barricades, rather than arranging themselves in line formation in front of them, but folks didn't learn to just stop making em for a fuck long time
The only real innovation was the use of sandbags and stacked paving stones, the only materials that might hinder the path of a spitzer bullet in a meaningful fashion.

How you make my day

oh.

[The balkens]

"hey fam, i got a dumb idea, lets get more people killed."

"i got ya."

You hate the poor and minorities so fucking much you'd tell them to be led peacefully to the slaughterhouse? How the fuck does that actually work itself out in your head? "If you try to do anything about this brutal institution of violence murder and oppression they'll only murder and oppress even more, so sit down and shut up"? Jesus H Christ, that's absolutely sickening.

Yes.

[Kubra]

Bigger is oftentimes not better bruv
in the city streets the smg is king

SMGs have been virtually obsolete since rifles gained selective fire capabilities. They're only good for things like hostage situations where you need accuracy and rate of fire but not a projectile that will go through walls and kill innocent people.

Either way, the rebels don't have anything better than semi-auto anyway...

They're not obsolete for insurgents, who prefer them in the close quarters of urban environments. Easily concealable, relatively cheap ammunition, what's not to like for the brigand on a budget? That aside, folks like the IDF and actual police departments don't use full sized rifles, the preferences goes to carbine versions and bullpups. Moving about rooms with something like (to use a radical example) a FAL is uncomfortable, to say the least.
Hell man I hate just taking my moist nugget out of the house, let alone using it in one.

[Nasjonal Regjering Norge]

SMGs have been virtually obsolete since rifles gained selective fire capabilities. They're only good for things like hostage situations where you need accuracy and rate of fire but not a projectile that will go through walls and kill innocent people.

Either way, the rebels don't have anything better than semi-auto anyway...

They're not obsolete for insurgents, who prefer them in the close quarters of urban environments. Easily concealable, relatively cheap ammunition, what's not to like for the brigand on a budget?

You tell me?

[The Two Jerseys]

SMGs have been virtually obsolete since rifles gained selective fire capabilities. They're only good for things like hostage situations where you need accuracy and rate of fire but not a projectile that will go through walls and kill innocent people.

Either way, the rebels don't have anything better than semi-auto anyway...

They're not obsolete for insurgents, who prefer them in the close quarters of urban environments. Easily concealable, relatively cheap ammunition, what's not to like for the brigand on a budget?

The fact that the police and military have body armor designed to stop - you guessed it - pistol rounds.

[Nasjonal Regjering Norge]

They're not obsolete for insurgents, who prefer them in the close quarters of urban environments. Easily concealable, relatively cheap ammunition, what's not to like for the brigand on a budget?

The fact that the police and military have body armor designed to stop - you guessed it - pistol rounds.

Yeah but what if they don't armor their bullets?